Big Time Gaming and Bonanza

[Fiekie247]

1 hour ago, Flatzem said:

Lost -155.45e on Bonanza (425 spins at 1e stake), RTP 63.42%, no feature now in 694 spins (real money play).

MUST STOP PLAYING THIS STUPID GAME. 

If I had stopped after 300 spins like supposed to according to Bonanza playing rules, would have lost 82.05e RTP 72.65%

 

Well that's with Bonanza. Addictive - can't stop playing it. I know it is bad most times but still play it. 

Doubt @pinnit2015 will ever stop... 

[Flatzem]

2 hours ago, Fiekie247 said:

Well that's with Bonanza. Addictive - can't stop playing it. I know it is bad most times but still play it. 

Doubt @pinnit2015 will ever stop... 

that amount of times that people have said they will stop playing it and only to go back to it is unreal. even after every loss it soon starts calling you to play it again, give it another 25 spins on auto play and see what happens, could it be a quick bonus, and then another 25 spins and another 25 spins and before you know it you done 100 spins and are down 35e thats if you get 65% RTP on 1e bets. do another 100 spins and you are down 70e......... some can't stop playing it till they get the bonus but trouble is the bonus can take over 1000 spins or 2000 spins or more. and doesn't guarantee that it will pay back the losses that you invested to get the bonus....... its more common to get under 100x bonus on it or under 50x. supposed to be average 100x but many are getting less than than.

[Fiekie247]

6 hours ago, Flatzem said:

that amount of times that people have said they will stop playing it and only to go back to it is unreal. even after every loss it soon starts calling you to play it again, give it another 25 spins on auto play and see what happens, could it be a quick bonus, and then another 25 spins and another 25 spins and before you know it you done 100 spins and are down 35e thats if you get 65% RTP on 1e bets. do another 100 spins and you are down 70e......... some can't stop playing it till they get the bonus but trouble is the bonus can take over 1000 spins or 2000 spins or more. and doesn't guarantee that it will pay back the losses that you invested to get the bonus....... its more common to get under 100x bonus on it or under 50x. supposed to be average 100x but many are getting less than than.

Atleast with Jammin Jars, I have more trust that the bonus will pay and if you lucky, huge pays.

One slot I have trust in is that Vikings from Netent, it can take 100 - 500 spins to trigger, but almost 95% of my free spins sessions is more than 100x wins, so at least the return is there.

[Fiekie247]

I remember about 2 years ago, how I use to win big on Bonanza, bonus come in on average x250 spins more or less or even less than 100 spins.

Free spins pade on average your x200 - x500, or just under x100 for bad win.

And then randomly x700 - x1000 now and then, and the decent x600 - x1000 base game wins and most 117 649 spins actually hit something.

But its seriously not the same.

@pinnit2015 - Does QF or SG play better with Bonanza?

[Flatzem]

7 hours ago, Fiekie247 said:

I remember about 2 years ago, how I use to Win Big on Bonanza, bonus come in on average x250 spins more or less or even less than 100 spins.

Free spins pade on average your x200 - x500, or just under x100 for bad win.

And then randomly x700 - x1000 now and then, and the decent x600 - x1000 base game wins and most 117 649 spins actually hit something.

But its seriously not the same.

@pinnit2015 - Does QF or SG play better with Bonanza?

@Fiekie247 what do you think about Dragon Born? played it first time lastnight and on just the 7th spin hit a base 136xBet win on 80c bet (so wish I had been betting higher if I had known it was going to be like that for a first time play), and that 136xBet would have paid so much more had some red gems appeared on reel 6!..... most of that 136x was from 40 ways of 5OAK gems.but no red gems on reel 6.. a 4x wild on that reel would have made that base hit over 500x...got as high as up 225.6x (after playing 59 spins) 1 feature on spin #59 paid 115.3xBet... then went to check how many spins I had done on it, reloaded the game, and the game was playing so differently and took back from me 69.35x in just 126 spins at 80c spins. During the feature you get 117K ways on every spin and you get plenty of diamonds to increase the number of spins from the starting 6 to close to 20. Still left Dragon Born up 156.25x (125e) and moved on.

I played other BTG slots during the session but the worst of them was Bonanza (no surprise there) and Starquest. Can you believe Starquest in 61 spins gave just RTP 8.44% , so it took 55.85x in those 61 spins.

The biggest tease of the session goes to the busty curvey voluptious Queen of Riches when during one spin it locked the last 5 reels but somehow didn't lock the 1st reel........ reels 2,3,4,5,6 all had 3OAK blue symbol and 1 queen....... and reel 1 had 1 queen and some other symbols..... so instead of paying 1312e (over 2000x) or so it paid just 1.20e a big F.U. (2x). I have heard of this game being able to give up to 6 wild reels (seen videos of it), but most I have seen is 2 wilds, in about 2000 spins on it and all 6 locked reels is super rare but if you get 3 of a kind or more on all 6 reels then the payout will be huge. My best win on QoR is 445x in just under 1400 spins of playing this game (over a dozen sessions). Used to be up as much as 175e on it but after taking back all the winnings its put me just under break even. Waiting for a monster hit on it with 6 locked reels and 4OAK or MORE on all reels then... What's been your play on it like?

[pinnit2015]

13 hours ago, Fiekie247 said:

I remember about 2 years ago, how I use to Win Big on Bonanza, bonus come in on average x250 spins more or less or even less than 100 spins.

Free spins pade on average your x200 - x500, or just under x100 for bad win.

And then randomly x700 - x1000 now and then, and the decent x600 - x1000 base game wins and most 117 649 spins actually hit something.

But its seriously not the same.

@pinnit2015 - Does QF or SG play better with Bonanza?

I don't tend to play the QF one but a common thought is:

QF - less Gold's but when they come, generally bigger wins

NYX - More frequent, but average seems a bit lower

I do wonder what effect the splitting across the platforms has had on the returns - be told by some no effect, but the downfall of the 100x averages must have started there

Totally agree with your stats - 700x plus wins were not uncommon back in the day, now you're lucky to see that every 6 months

[pinnit2015]

Edit - not sure who supplies Sky Vegas's Bonanza (similar to SG's, so not sure if sourced through someone else)but their platform for Bonanza is by far the best - loads x10 as fast as MG at least, no errors, is lightning fast compared to the other two, no 'delay' - which was always the giveaway for if there was no win.

Not experienced it in it's fully glory until you watch gold come in and it goes so fast you don't realise you landed another x3 plus 5's

[Flatzem]

played Bonanza again after saying I was not going to play it again for the rest of the month, played over 400 spins (the first 75 autoplay then I just started clicking manually, I just couldn't stay away from the game. Bonanza addiction it's a real thing. Has anyone managed to quit playing Bonanza ? is it even possible? is there a cure for Bonanza addiction?

[Afi4wins]

8 hours ago, Flatzem said:

played Bonanza again after saying I was not going to play it again for the rest of the month, played over 400 spins (the first 75 autoplay then I just started clicking manually, I just couldn't stay away from the game. Bonanza addiction it's a real thing. Has anyone managed to quit playing Bonanza ? is it even possible? is there a cure for Bonanza addiction?

Quit playing Bonanza? Yes, me and a few others too.

Quit Bonanza's addiction? Nothing is impossible...just learn to hate the game like I did...never got addicted, never will either, hehehe.

[ValDes]

Have done that myself a loong time ago (quitting Bonanza), and not just Bonanza but almost 100% Big Time Gaming slots tbh... Lil Devil is the only one which is given occasional 100 bucks on low-rolling and that's pretty much all. 

And yes, there's cure @Flatzem, way better IMHO to try with some Thunderkick, Push Gaming or NoLimit City slots. 

[Flatzem]

33 minutes ago, ValDes said:

Have done that myself a loong time ago (quitting Bonanza), and not just Bonanza but almost 100% Big Time Gaming slots tbh... Lil Devil is the only one which is given occasional 100 bucks on low-rolling and that's pretty much all. 

And yes, there's cure @Flatzem, way better IMHO to try with some Thunderkick, Push Gaming or NoLimit City slots. 

for that cure I would need to get a new laptop perhaps after this whole quarantine lockdown situation is over.

[Flatzem]

@ValDes

what was your RTP on Bonanza lifetime (if you know). ?

Trouble with BTG slots is they are all high variance and triggering them takes a lot of time most of the time and when you do they can be brutal in giving you a 10x or worse. E.g yesterday Dragon Born 10.7x (60 c stake) then 17.4x (80c stake), it is just taking back what it gave me on first time I played when got 136x base on 7th spin (80c stake) and then bonus paid 115x on 59th spin.... reached peak of +180.48e, continued playing for another 126 spins it took back 55.48e, then 2 days later (yesterday) played it again and it took back another 30.75e even though I had another 2 bonuses on it. That's how they get their money back from any early welcome wins the player may get, by giving such low paying bonuses. Or Queen of Riches when reached peak of being up on it by 175e (295th spin)(courtesy of a 444.5x win on 40c) but since then it has taken it all back and more to now being down on it by 15e (1429 spins) so in just another 1134 spins at 40c/60c/80c spins stakes (62% of them 40c, 32% 60c, the rest at 80c) it has taken all the winnings back and more by giving an RTP 62.68% and taking 190.83e, putting overall QOR RTP at 97.69% (this slot has TRTP of 96.9%). Do I keep playing to try get all 6 reels locked with multi symbols of the same kind such as 4 jacks on all all reels for a massive payout. or what about that miracle that we have seen videos of when the 6 wilds drop in (on reels 2 to 6) and each one giving their own random multiplier up to 7x. Yeah I will keep playing at 40c maybe some 60c and give it about 10e each session now and then.

[Afi4wins]

15 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

@ValDes

what was your RTP on Bonanza lifetime (if you know). ?

Trouble with BTG slots is they are all high variance and triggering them takes a lot of time most of the time and when you do they can be brutal in giving you a 10x or worse. E.g yesterday Dragon Born 10.7x (60 c stake) then 17.4x (80c stake), it is just taking back what it gave me on first time I played when got 136x base on 7th Spin (80c stake) and then bonus paid 115x on 59th spin.... reached peak of +180.48e, continued playing for another 126 spins it took back 55.48e, then 2 days later (yesterday) played it again and it took back another 30.75e even though I had another 2 bonuses on it. That's how they get their money back from any early welcome wins the player may get, by giving such low paying bonuses. Or Queen of Riches when reached peak of being up on it by 175e (295th spin)(courtesy of a 444.5x win on 40c) but since then it has taken it all back and more to now being down on it by 15e (1429 spins) so in just another 1134 spins at 40c/60c/80c spins stakes (62% of them 40c, 32% 60c, the rest at 80c) it has taken all the winnings back and more by giving an RTP 62.68% and taking 190.83e, putting overall QOR RTP at 97.69% (this slot has TRTP of 96.9%). Do I keep playing to try get all 6 reels locked with Multi symbols of the same kind such as 4 jacks on all all reels for a massive payout. or what about that miracle that we have seen videos of when the 6 wilds drop in (on reels 2 to 6) and each one giving their own random Multiplier up to 7x. Yeah I will keep playing at 40c maybe some 60c and give it about 10e each session now and then.

I guess you are one more player who is stuck on high variance games. Just be careful though mate.

[Flatzem]

3 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

I guess you are one more player who is stuck on high variance games. Just be careful though mate.

high variance games are where the big wins happen who doesn't want to win a few thousand in one spin on low bet. and that can happen with something like Starquest (4 wilds, pays both ways) or Queen of Riches (get 6 locked reels with stacked symbols or 5 wild reels) or Bonanza if you get multiple ways of diamonds on high multiplier in the bonus or 117k ways of multiple ways of diamonds in base. Downside of high variance is that most of the time the slot is just taking and taking. So gotta mix it up with some wins in the low and medium variance and then take shots on the high variance slots to try get lucky on them once in a while.

[ValDes]

19 hours ago, Flatzem said:

@ValDes

what was your RTP on Bonanza lifetime (if you know). ?

...

No longer an avid fan of detailed monitoring and summarizing of my gambling data to be honest, but can easily confirm that till 2019 I had pretty decent overall RTP when it comes to Big Time Gaming slots (probably way over the 120% mark) and in 2019 it went south (probably within the 75-80% margin) and obviously, that was the main reason for quitting BTG slots for good (again, except Lil Devil).  

[Flatzem]

4 hours ago, ValDes said:

No longer an avid fan of detailed monitoring and summarizing of my gambling data to be honest, but can easily confirm that till 2019 I had pretty decent overall RTP when it comes to Big Time Gaming slots (probably way over the 120% mark) and in 2019 it went south (probably within the 75-80% margin) and obviously, that was the main reason for quitting BTG slots for good (again, except Lil Devil).  

do you think the BTG going south had something to do with a change in the games or just that your luck had changed for the worse on them (cause the RNG / AI or something is adjusting the overall RTP and bringing it down for you towards that 96% (that would mean they would be tracking players overall play) or so level down from that sky high 120% that you were cruising at for so long). I mean if it was just the BTG games that your luck wasn't good but others it was still good then something going on with BTG. Many have said that BTG were better in 2017, 2018, then they started to play differently in 2019,2020 (most say this about Bonanza). And as far as Lil Devil goes (not played that slot yet but tempted, I chose the wrong BTG slot to grind recently with regret ((Royal Mint, collected 18 bars so far and it has cost 259x in 1082 spins (40c stake), 2 normal features paying trash of 4.3x and 5.9x, RTP 76%)) seen videos of some huge wins on Lil Devil on low stakes 20p/20c (enhanced bonuses) and also a recent on $1 stake someone getting  11484x (normal feature) .

[ValDes]

My own theory for the decreased RTP stats is way more simple than yours @Flatzem.  IMHO, the number of players playing Bonanza nowadays is no where near as it was back on 2018/early 19, meaning the more players spinning it, the faster the win/lose cycles would pass. And we all know what's happening when one is happy to hit the game in its peaks and respectively, in its bottoms... It's not BTG's fault that I hit mostly bad cycle sessions, that's what they call luck.

[Fiekie247]

WIth Help of Bonanza managed to crush wagering

[Flatzem]

14 minutes ago, Fiekie247 said:

WIth Help of Bonanza managed to crush wagering

that bonanza break didn't last long

[Fiekie247]

Well. I always play Bonanza when wagering. Deposit 350 ZAR, 225 ZAR bonus. Wager was 11k, managed to cash out 6k after wager. Bonanza boosted balance. 

4 x 117 649 spins

1 hit and 3 missed. 

[Flatzem]

8 minutes ago, Fiekie247 said:

Well. I always play Bonanza when wagering. Deposit 350 ZAR, 225 ZAR bonus. Wager was 11k, managed to cash out 6k after wager. Bonanza boosted balance. 

4 x 117 649 spins

1 hit and 3 missed. 

 

do you always play with a bonus and if so doesn't the casino look down upon you only playing with a bonus as I read some places will bonus ban you if you only play with a bonus...

do you know if all the places are ok with using the bonus on the grinding BTG slots such as lil devil/royal mint types.

[Flatzem]

some german luckbox had 3346.3x on a €0.40 stake on Bonanza (17 spins, x22 multi). It can be seen in the recent CG community biggest wins compilation and the biggest hit of the feature came from 12 ways of 4OAK diamonds at x19.

[Fiekie247]

13 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

some german luckbox had 3346.3x on a €0.40 stake on Bonanza (17 spins, x22 Multi). It can be seen in the recent CG community biggest wins compilation and the biggest hit of the feature came from 12 ways of 4OAK diamonds at x19.

Yeah saw that one, and just before that mass of KKKKKKK's as well.

Decent hit, his balance was 0.07 euro, so I guess he triggered on his last spin.

[Flatzem]

Bonanza Megaways session .... shocking bonuses..

prior to this session my bonuses were averaging 98.93 x Bet....but in this session they were just 64.56x Bet w..t...f.

started on 1eur stake for 358 spins but no bonus and dropped 116.40 eur RTP 67.49%

raised to 2eur stake

bonus #1 : 2eur stake... paid 33.45xBet (-110.90e at end of the bonus)

bonus #2 : 2eur stake... paid 196.9xBet (+109.80e at end of the bonus)(last 3 spins were dead with 15x multiplier)

base game win 52.05xBet

bonus #3 : 2eur stake... paid 18.6xBet (+62.60e at end of the bonus)

bonus #4 : 2eur stake... paid 35.35xBet (+114.20e at end of the bonus)

lowered stake to 1eur for 26 spins and dropped 13.50eur.

session paused (+100.70eur at this point)

resumed session with a raise to 2eur for the rest of the session.

bonus #5 : 2eur stake... paid 31.25xBet (+76.30e at end of the bonus)

bonus #6 : 2eur stake... paid 53.9xBet (17 spin bonus)(+39.30e at end of the bonus)

bonus #7 : 2eur stake... paid 82.5xBet (17 spin bonus)(+158.10e at end of the bonus)

finished with a Bonanza profit of +158.10 eur RTP 105.70%  (1580 spins {384 x 1e, 1196x 2e})

1e stake: 0 bonuses, 384 spins, -129.90e, RTP 66.17%

2e stake: 7 bonuses: 1196 spins, +288e RTP 112.04%

session average of 226 spins per bonus.... ..... prior to this session the average for me was 430... now the new average becomes 403

where are those diamonds on reel 1 when you need em, needed 1 diamond on reel 1 in one of the bonuses to make it 250x win.

[Blackjax]

I gave up on bonanza when I had no bonus for almost 3300 spins (single session). Started with 20 cents and then gradually increased bets after 400 to 500 spins. Ended up doing 2 euro bets lost around 600 euros. Never touched it since.

P.S. The bonus never triggered and I just left.