Unreal losing streak

[luckyloser]

So this might come of as a sore losers thread but im trying to shed light on a few things that i find suspicius about online gambling.

 

Last December i won around 13000€ at a casino cahsed out and was happy... For months on end after that i could not win anything,anywhere playing the same provider(NetEnt). No bonus rounds, 1-10x stake paying ones just awfull sessions untill i had lost atleast the amount i had won over a periode of maybe 6 months. I know winning 10k+ is unlikley, but im talking about it shouldent be to hard in over 100 deposits to see a proffit  in one session of a few hundred euros or even 1k.

 

Fast forward to this June/July winning another 11-12K from a 1.1 euro spin. Cashed out and happy.. Redeposited maybe 2,5K in the same casino hitting nothing but awfull sessions, and since that day i have been on an insane losing streak. In the last 60-70 deposits i have not been ahead more than maybe 4-5 times!!!! (Once up to 600 euros on a 300 deposit, and up maybe 100 or so on a 200 deposit a few times.. In one casino alone i have lost over 5K betting between 0.50-1.50 euros a spin no higher, and never being ahead more than once or twice by an unsignificant amount. How is this just bad luck?

 

I understand the concepts of variance, but for this kind of bad luck to happen twice after big wins gotta be astronomical!! I simply cannot win anywhere playing NetEnt as if they put some kind of block on my I.P adresse.

 

My question is do you think casinos/software providers are running some kind of indivdual RTP based on your IP or something like that? I seam to always hit losing streaks after cashing out. ALWAYS! And these two last ones has been just to unreal.. Like i am in the twilight zone.

 

How can we trust that the games are totally random? There are no proof. They just say its been tested... They are not tested lets say on a monthley basis.. Its just checked that the RTP is what they say on and their RNG is fair and then thats that. Whos to say they cannot alter this? Or play with individual RTP´s? If they know you play alot they could gain alot from setting your RTP low and imaginge if they do that to thousands of players...

 

After this happend i also mentioned this on another casino forum, and after complaining alot it seams it has gotten even worse... Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory i know, but like i say its like the twilight zone.

[Awena]

Welcome to the AG, i just saw this post and I was talking to my friend today and we shared some concerns and it is ok. What I strongly believe and it is my personal opinion that nothing isnt 100% safe in this life.

 

I dont know that much so I could discuss what I wish but there will be many replies to this thread and we will get to the some conclusion. 

 

it is great to hear about your winnings and congratulation and cheers to it and thank you for sharing your experience.

 

[cocopop3011]

So this might come of as a sore losers thread but im trying to shed light on a few things that i find suspicius about online gambling.

 

Last December i won around 13000€ at a casino cahsed out and was happy... For months on end after that i could not win anything,anywhere playing the same provider(NetEnt). No bonus rounds, 1-10x stake paying ones just awfull sessions untill i had lost atleast the amount i had won over a periode of maybe 6 months. I know winning 10k+ is unlikley, but im talking about it shouldent be to hard in over 100 deposits to see a proffit  in one session of a few hundred euros or even 1k.

 

Fast forward to this June/July winning another 11-12K from a 1.1 euro spin. Cashed out and happy.. Redeposited maybe 2,5K in the same casino hitting nothing but awfull sessions, and since that day i have been on an insane losing streak. In the last 60-70 deposits i have not been ahead more than maybe 4-5 times!!!! (Once up to 600 euros on a 300 deposit, and up maybe 100 or so on a 200 deposit a few times.. In one casino alone i have lost over 5K betting between 0.50-1.50 euros a spin no higher, and never being ahead more than once or twice by an unsignificant amount. How is this just bad luck?

 

I understand the concepts of variance, but for this kind of bad luck to happen twice after big wins gotta be astronomical!! I simply cannot win anywhere playing NetEnt as if they put some kind of block on my I.P adresse.

 

My question is do you think casinos/software providers are running some kind of indivdual RTP based on your IP or something like that? I seam to always hit losing streaks after cashing out. ALWAYS! And these two last ones has been just to unreal.. Like i am in the twilight zone.

 

How can we trust that the games are totally random? There are no proof. They just say its been tested... They are not tested lets say on a monthley basis.. Its just checked that the RTP is what they say on and their RNG is fair and then thats that. Whos to say they cannot alter this? Or play with individual RTP´s? If they know you play alot they could gain alot from setting your RTP low and imaginge if they do that to thousands of players...

 

After this happend i also mentioned this on another casino forum, and after complaining alot it seams it has gotten even worse... Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory i know, but like i say its like the twilight zone.

Hello lucky loser and welcome to our forum. Thanks for sharing your story with us! And congratulations on your big winnings, sorry to hear about your loosing streak though.

 

Unfortunately we all go through loosing streaks, it's quite normal to go through a period of 6 months with no withdrawals as I'm sure many of our members will agree.

 

In regards to NetEnt putting a block on your IP address to stop you winning, I believe this to be IMPOSSIBLE. In regards to games being totally random, especially when it comes to a software vendor like NetEnt you can be rest assured that they have consistent audits of their RNG so yes there is proof that their games are run using this system. I couldn't comment on how often they are tested but they are indeed tested to ensure fair play which is why NetEnt are as big as they are.

 

When I'm loosing, I live to blame the casino but ultimately I know it's all down to luck. Then when my next big win comes I'm over the moon, it's like swings and roundabouts isn't it.

 

It can be hard to not think what your thinking when your loosing all the time, don't worry we have plenty of people on here that wonder the same thing, its natural to think its a conspiracy especially after your two VERY impressive wins.

 

I really hope your luck will pick up soon and I'm hoping the next big win is already on its way to you.

 

P.s you just mentioned loosing @ NetEnt casinos, have you tried maybe switching to a Microgaming Casino for example?

[bigdk88]

Play some low-medium risk games until you get back into the black(back in credit) Avoid games like DOA,reel Steal play stuff like subtopia,evolution,wild witches,twin spin etc at small bets to ebuild a bankroll  

[ManchesterUnited2020]

I play the football pools every week for the last 5-6 years, you pick about 10 teams and if they all win you get around £500-£800 for a £1 stake....

I have only won twice and it was in the same week!

Also i'm outside quite alot, i never find money but during 1 month i found 4 £10 notes in different locations, not found any money since!

Its all about luck and when lady luck is shining down on you just be aware and take it with both hands!

[cocopop3011]

I play the football pools every week for the last 5-6 years, you pick about 10 teams and if they all win you get around £500-£800 for a £1 stake....

I have only won twice and it was in the same week!

Also i'm outside quite alot, i never find money but during 1 month i found 4 £10 notes in different locations, not found any money since!

Its all about luck and when lady luck is shining down on you just be aware and take it with both hands!

Ha! My dad does the same football pools it seems! Although I don't think he has ever won!

[luckyloser]

Thanks fore all the welcome greatings 

 

As someone said above why not try MG. Well... Me and Microgaming are not best friends to say the least. I simply cannot win on MG games. I have tried over the years but these slots are so brutal and seams they are way greedier than NetEnt (If possible) 

 

But these streaks just makes me wonder.. Its not just from these huge hits, but whenever i cash out 1k or 2k that casino will go dead for me... Dead as in every time i deposit again my sessions will be totall *****, losing 200 Euros Betting 0.40 - 1 sometimes in 15 minutes. This seams to be consistent. To be honest this whole experience makes me want to quit gambling all together...

 

Are you sure their RNG are audited every month or so? There also seams to be alot of patterns to slots that seam to occour alot. Certain winning combinations that seams to be very frequent compared to other combinations even tough they pay almost the same. If every spin was totally random this should not occur. 

 

It seams to me if slots are random the RNG must work in this manner: Picking a win instead of reel outcomes. Lets say RNG picks 10X stake u get the symbols that match that win.

[cocopop3011]

Thanks fore all the welcome greatings 

 

As someone said above why not try MG. Well... Me and Microgaming are not best friends to say the least. I simply cannot win on MG games. I have tried over the years but these slots are so brutal and seams they are way greedier than NetEnt (If possible) 

 

But these streaks just makes me wonder.. Its not just from these huge hits, but whenever i cash out 1k or 2k that casino will go dead for me... Dead as in every time i deposit again my sessions will be totall *****, losing 200 Euros Betting 0.40 - 1 sometimes in 15 minutes. This seams to be consistent. To be honest this whole experience makes me want to quit gambling all together...

 

Are you sure their RNG are audited every month or so? There also seams to be alot of patterns to slots that seam to occour alot. Certain winning combinations that seams to be very frequent compared to other combinations even tough they pay almost the same. If every spin was totally random this should not occur. 

 

It seams to me if slots are random the RNG must work in this manner: Picking a win instead of reel outcomes. Lets say RNG picks 10X stake u get the symbols that match that win.

It's funny that you say you can't win on Microgaming because I've been hearing this a lot lately from a few of our members! Me included, I'm having way more luck with NetEnt at the moment.

 

I wish I was withdrawing 1k and 2k like you at the moment my withdrawals are very low!

 

I'm not entirely clued up on RNG's and our admin staff Valdes who knows a lot more about this than me is on holiday, I'm sure he will be able to answer your questions far more accurately than me.

 

Are you thinking of quitting gambling then ?

[ManchesterUnited2020]

Play Deck The Halls, Franken Cash, Lucky Witch or Break Da Bank Again, you can thank me after

[helenakp]

Thanks fore all the welcome greatings 

 

As someone said above why not try MG. Well... Me and Microgaming are not best friends to say the least. I simply cannot win on MG games. I have tried over the years but these slots are so brutal and seams they are way greedier than NetEnt (If possible) 

 

But these streaks just makes me wonder.. Its not just from these huge hits, but whenever i cash out 1k or 2k that casino will go dead for me... Dead as in every time i deposit again my sessions will be totall *****, losing 200 Euros Betting 0.40 - 1 sometimes in 15 minutes. This seams to be consistent. To be honest this whole experience makes me want to quit gambling all together...

 

Are you sure their RNG are audited every month or so? There also seams to be alot of patterns to slots that seam to occour alot. Certain winning combinations that seams to be very frequent compared to other combinations even tough they pay almost the same. If every spin was totally random this should not occur. 

 

It seams to me if slots are random the RNG must work in this manner: Picking a win instead of reel outcomes. Lets say RNG picks 10X stake u get the symbols that match that win.

Same here,I guess I cant win anything on Microgaming,I have only once win on that slots and made many deposits !

[clement]

So this might come of as a sore losers thread but im trying to shed light on a few things that i find suspicius about online gambling.

 

Last December i won around 13000€ at a casino cahsed out and was happy... For months on end after that i could not win anything,anywhere playing the same provider(NetEnt). No bonus rounds, 1-10x stake paying ones just awfull sessions untill i had lost atleast the amount i had won over a periode of maybe 6 months. I know winning 10k+ is unlikley, but im talking about it shouldent be to hard in over 100 deposits to see a proffit  in one session of a few hundred euros or even 1k.

 

Fast forward to this June/July winning another 11-12K from a 1.1 euro spin. Cashed out and happy.. Redeposited maybe 2,5K in the same casino hitting nothing but awfull sessions, and since that day i have been on an insane losing streak. In the last 60-70 deposits i have not been ahead more than maybe 4-5 times!!!! (Once up to 600 euros on a 300 deposit, and up maybe 100 or so on a 200 deposit a few times.. In one casino alone i have lost over 5K betting between 0.50-1.50 euros a spin no higher, and never being ahead more than once or twice by an unsignificant amount. How is this just bad luck?

 

I understand the concepts of variance, but for this kind of bad luck to happen twice after big wins gotta be astronomical!! I simply cannot win anywhere playing NetEnt as if they put some kind of block on my I.P adresse.

 

My question is do you think casinos/software providers are running some kind of indivdual RTP based on your IP or something like that? I seam to always hit losing streaks after cashing out. ALWAYS! And these two last ones has been just to unreal.. Like i am in the twilight zone.

 

How can we trust that the games are totally random? There are no proof. They just say its been tested... They are not tested lets say on a monthley basis.. Its just checked that the RTP is what they say on and their RNG is fair and then thats that. Whos to say they cannot alter this? Or play with individual RTP´s? If they know you play alot they could gain alot from setting your RTP low and imaginge if they do that to thousands of players...

 

After this happend i also mentioned this on another casino forum, and after complaining alot it seams it has gotten even worse... Sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory i know, but like i say its like the twilight zone.

Hi luckyloser,

 

I often have same thoughts and tbh I completely understand you and agree as well. I also don't think this is crazy conspiracy theory, you know the rule: Casino always win:). I can confirm after big win losing strike will come, usually bigger than win. Once after big win I lost everything what I've won plus I deposited 16k EUR( in 5-6h) more and I couldn't hit bean. This was extreme situation, but usually you can't trigger bonus game, you can feel smtg is "wrong" and spins are empty. So what to do to avoid this? Best way is to take a break( after big win) and enjoy, I'm trying to avoid this casino for a while. Some one already mentioned to lower your stack( agree) but on the end result will be the same: you have to lose certain amount( my experience). I'm not so good with RTP but experience tells me that, regardless of number of spins you will always lose after big win. And believe me, regardless RTP you should win more than actually you did during losing streak, but this "almost" never happens!

[luckyloser]

Hi luckyloser,

 

I often have same thoughts and tbh I completely understand you and agree as well. I also don't think this is crazy conspiracy theory, you know the rule: Casino always win:). I can confirm after big win losing strike will come, usually bigger than win. Once after big win I lost everything what I've won plus I deposited 16k EUR( in 5-6h) more and I couldn't hit bean. This was extreme situation, but usually you can't trigger bonus game, you can feel smtg is "wrong" and spins are empty. So what to do to avoid this? Best way is to take a break( after big win) and enjoy, I'm trying to avoid this casino for a while. Some one already mentioned to lower your stack( agree) but on the end result will be the same: you have to lose certain amount( my experience). I'm not so good with RTP but experience tells me that, regardless of number of spins you will always lose after big win. And believe me, regardless RTP you should win more than actually you did during losing streak, but this "almost" never happens!

Yes, this is exactely what i am experiencing aswell!!! ALWAYS with no exeption.

 

Regarding Microgaming i have mostley been playing the 234 ways slots. All of them seams very tight and cold always. Immortal Romance fore one is a total joke.. It allures you with its near misses and huge hit potentsiale but it never hits. Wasted so much money on this game and a session ending in a proffit seams miles away. If i am lucky and hit a 100x stake or 200x stake expect the next 200 spins to be totally dead. This is the impression i have gotten from microgaming over the years. 

 

WMS slots seams to be easier to win on, but you need to bet high, because those huge 2-4000x stake wins is near impossible to get.

[luckyloser]

To put it this way.. Someone on another forum estimated the odds of getting 5 wilds on a line on Dead or Alive to 1:160 feature. Since i hit that last win 10 000x stake on Dead or Alive i have now played close to 500 features and i have not hit anything decent on this slot.

 

Another 250€ lost today. Its like they blocked me from ever getting ahead.. I know this game is high variance but this seams to odd to be true.

[ValDes]

Hi luckyloser and welcome to the AskGamblers forum.

 

First of all, congratulations on your big wins! Wow, 11-12K from a 1.1 euro spin, this is near the 10000 x bet mark which is considered as one in a life time! I was on my way to ask for the game, which produced the insane hit and then you said Dead Or Alive. Of course DOA, I doubt there is another NetEnt slot capable to produce such insane high win.

 

Regarding your losing streaks... Unfortunately, I know exactly what you are talking about as I'm in the same position from years. Hitting big, cashing out and then the nightmare starts...Deposits and after deposits, casinos after casinos, games after games and it just does not work, losing all the time, having troubles even hitting a decent 100 x bet win, let alone even thinking of a withdrawal! Last time it lasted for almost 6 months, during this time I lost almost 3000 euros, and all that providing the fact that I'm mostly playing with bets under 0.80-1.00 per spin, usually 0.20-0.40! 180 days, over 80 deposits, in more than 11 casinos, over 20 games tried and yet, without any success and a single cashout...Until recently, when a few great hits on The Wish Master  changed everything and I managed to regain not only my deposits but to get a grand ahead! Mostly from one casino, where I had the chance to withdraw 4 times in a row! This has never happened to me before, never!

 

Basically, what I'm trying to say, it is just your bad luck, mate. It will all change for the better very soon and you will forget all these 'twilight zone' theories in the very first second the dream 5 outlaws lined up on a winning line in the free spins feature!  

[luckyloser]

Well i have lost my last 100 deposits been ahead twice in 100 deposits!!!!!!!! But with a bonus and it all went downhill before i even made it trough 50% wagering. Am i supposed to think this is just bad luck? They must have raised the house edge on my IP or something.. Its not normal to go on this kind of losing streak

[clement]

It is normal, atm I'm in same situation like you( have lost almost 10k in last 4 days). Impossible, can't hit decent win . Maybe is time to say bye bye to this industry…it is not fun anymore. And they say bad luck , like we are all green here

[luckyloser]

Its like every game goes dead.. Like they lowered the payouts or something. Every last one of them new games can go 50 spins and give you 48 losing spins and 2 very low prices.. All the old classics dead aswell free spins pay nothing.. Its getting totally insane.. 500 Features on Dead or Alive and have not hit 5 wilds on a line... Every time i have deposited for the last 2 months its been like this... I cannot understand it

[luckyloser]

Well finally hit something. Deposited 92£ played Dead or alive and it took my balance down to 0.82£!!!!! Without any free spins. And then BOOOM 5 scatters fore 2500x my stake. 1125£ on a 0.45£ spin. Not to bad! only unfortunate thing is i usually play at 0.90-1.35 :-( But never the less cashed out 1000£ so im happy

[ValDes]

Well finally hit something. Deposited 92£ played Dead or alive and it took my balance down to 0.82£!!!!! Without any free spins. And then BOOOM 5 scatters fore 2500x my stake. 1125£ on a 0.45£ spin. Not to bad! only unfortunate thing is i usually play at 0.90-1.35 :-( But never the less cashed out 1000£ so im happy

 

Congrats on your winnings then!

 

I told you the big win will come sooner or later.

[Dnk]

One of you tells the strories how he cant win, even after lot of and hight deposits, during long time of playing. And he is tottaly right..As its immposible to win.

Those who are saying here, that it is only the bad luck, i can say only, that they ahev inetersts about casinos, as casino everytime you will answer the same, that it was bad LUCH, deposit next time and maybe you will win :")  this is tottaly nonsences.

 

Does anyone of you ever thought, why casinos doent provides any more information about your game rounds history?

I asked fro almost all Netent slot game opertors, to give me full my game rounds history, and give some periods of those games with IMAGES....and all CASINOS rejected to give such information. And you know why?

I can say only, that they are afraid to give such information, because these days, it will be not very hard to make independent study and investigate WAS YOUR GAME ROUNDS REALLY RNG, OR IT WAS JUST RIGGED< PROGRAMATED, FAKE RNG

[ValDes]

One of you tells the strories how he cant win, even after lot of and hight deposits, during long time of playing. And he is tottaly right..As its immposible to win.

Those who are saying here, that it is only the bad luck, i can say only, that they ahev inetersts about casinos, as casino everytime you will answer the same, that it was bad LUCH, deposit next time and maybe you will win :")  this is tottaly nonsences.

 

Does anyone of you ever thought, why casinos doent provides any more information about your game rounds history?

I asked fro almost all Netent slot game opertors, to give me full my game rounds history, and give some periods of those games with IMAGES....and all CASINOS rejected to give such information. And you know why?

I can say only, that they are afraid to give such information, because these days, it will be not very hard to make independent study and investigate WAS YOUR GAME ROUNDS REALLY RNG, OR IT WAS JUST RIGGED

 

What an in-depth analysis!

 

Thank you so much for sharing, I bet now all fellow members here will quit online gambling immediately. 

[valentin68]

I'm just curious and that is why I will ask you, people that have the courage and can afford to risk that much.

In theory the best return of a casino is around 98-99%. Doesn't this mean that on the average for each 100 USD that you play you get 98?

If you play over a year time in the same casino let's say 1000 USD, this means that you will win 980 USD. I know in statistics there is also something called standard deviation (or variance) which means you can get, let's say 500 USD extra or lose 500 USD. But, again, on the average you will lose for sure 20 dollars at each 1000 USD played.

 

I know I keep playing knowing that there is a saying: "Theory is theory and Practice is another thing.".

But if you won 13K Euros, this means somebody else had to lost these money before you. Or am I mistaken?

 

I will not quit gambling as ValDes was saying, but I will never ever afford myself to risk so much.

[ValDes]

I'm just curious and that is why I will ask you, people that have the courage and can afford to risk that much.

In theory the best return of a casino is around 98-99%. Doesn't this mean that on the average for each 100 USD that you play you get 98?

If you play over a year time in the same casino let's say 1000 USD, this means that you will win 980 USD. I know in statistics there is also something called standard deviation (or variance) which means you can get, let's say 500 USD extra or lose 500 USD. But, again, on the average you will lose for sure 20 dollars at each 1000 USD played.

 

I know I keep playing knowing that there is a saying: "Theory is theory and Practice is another thing.".

But if you won 13K Euros, this means somebody else had to lost these money before you. Or am I mistaken?

 

I will not quit gambling as ValDes was saying, but I will never ever afford myself to risk so much.

 

Okay, allow me to explain it then...

 

Let's take Immortal Romance as an example. Microgaming set its theoretical RTP to 97% which means that if you place 1 000 000 spins where each one of them for a dollar, the game will produce winning combinations worth exactly 970 000. That's the simplest possible explanation. Now, how many spins must be made before the game reaches its full RTP cycle is a total mystery and every gambling software vendor keeps that in a secret. Is it 1 mil, 10 mil or 100 mil no one could tell you... The same applies for the number and frequency of the wins which must occur during this RTP cycle... Another vague moment is whether every time you open that game in any casino you start a new RTP cycle or not?...

 

You see, there are still so many things concerning slots RTP and software RNG that are certainly not clear enough and unfortunately, gambling software vendors are not doing anything to shed some light upon it. And that is the main reason why there are so many speculations on this subject, while there should be none as there is NO WAY to cheat or to be cheated by a software which is tested and audited by serious testing companies on a regular basis. 

[valentin68]

There was a discussion here at AskGamblers where a representative of the Thunderkick casinos said that for them, if you take all the money played at all their slots an place them together in a pot (for one day for example) that day that particular casino will return through all their played slots 98% of the sum in the pot.

I guess there are slots and slots (and I I do hope so), and you could win playing one of them much better than playing the other.

[Luciana]

I had an unreal losing streak for my birthday