Any sportsbettors/punters/tipsters here at AG ?

[Adebisi213]

Well, I'm betting very often but not big amounts and usually offline because I cant wait to redeem my winning tickets 

 

That's how I started off, but the problem in my country however is that the only legit supplier of sportsbets pretty much gives the players a terrible deal and makes it very difficult for them to win with silly rules and max bets. In addition, the quotes are much lower than the online bookmakers, so it's a no-brainer where I play.

[Adebisi213]

Just like Adebisi I also started this 'chase the luck' thing with betting and the internet and online gambling opened up wide variety of possibilities and then I could discover the world of casinos.

 

Yeah, that last minute happenings really kill some moments but they also could be real adrenaline push other times so it's not an issue for me but the cheats and scandals are and I suppose there are way more of them what I initially thought.

 

Like last week when Brianti couldn't win her tennis match after winning the first set 6-1 then had a lead in the second 5-0 and she had the next serve game. I lost €20 on this match which is no big deal but I guess that match was more than suspicious. Or in January when I was a hockey game that I bet on and the two teams were separated on the table by more than 80! points and the weaker team scored 3 goals in 1:12 mins in the last two minutes of the game.

 

Anyway, if I mentioned my not too favourable moment that's fair if I show the other side too which was 4 years ago.

 

 

 

That's a nice one mate! Although you need to help me out as I can't read Hungarian yet haha

What does it say? You must have multiplied your bet by + 1,000x very nice!

 

I hate when that happens too paquito when a sure win suddenly turns all sour. But I must say the online sportsbetting market has developed itself well with even live bets on offer and the cash-in feature, where you can cash out a certain sum if you're afraid something terrible happen.

 

So that might be something to look into. Although provided that the sum offered doesn't always reflect the odds or the situation at that given moment.

[Adebisi213]

Just placed a 100 euro bet on todays Champions League fixture Paris St. Germain vs Barcelona. Rooting for Barcelona as that's my favorite team. My yesterdays bet went sour with the 0-0 draw between Atletico Madrid and Real Madrid.

 

Maybe now I'll be a bit more lucky.

[paquito76]

That's a nice one mate! Although you need to help me out as I can't read Hungarian yet haha

What does it say? You must have multiplied your bet by + 1,000x very nice!

 

I hate when that happens too paquito when a sure win suddenly turns all sour. But I must say the online sportsbetting market has developed itself well with even live bets on offer and the cash-in feature, where you can cash out a certain sum if you're afraid something terrible happen.

 

So that might be something to look into. Although provided that the sum offered doesn't always reflect the odds or the situation at that given moment.

 

Look, how I'm unperceptive! Sorry for taking you uncomfortable situation!

 

No, the total odds was 720, the bet was around €7 and the won amount around €4.800 (today's exchange rate).

 

What do you think the cash-in function is serving the favour of the bookie or the bettor? I'm not sure they create this possibility just because they're so nice guys. I suppose they can't go wrong with this function too.

Of course this can be very usable for us too but personally I don't like to use it too often because it is even more annoying when a mentioned last-minute goal still occurs and instead of pocketing the total prize, it turns into a massive loss.

 

Good luck for your today's ticket and I also root for Barca but I'm a little bit cautious as PSG did some tricks against Spanish teams in the past and I wouldn't be surprised if it had ended with a draw, but I hope for the best for the team and of course for you, too.

[valentin68]

I tried a few times in the past to play sports betting. I didn't understand much, just that one can easily lose money, much more easily then when playing casinos. But will continue to try. I heard about some technique named Match Betting (online) that I need to continue to read about. It seems this was one can win easily.

[paquito76]

I tried a few times in the past to play sports betting. I didn't understand much, just that one can easily lose money, much more easily then when playing casinos. But will continue to try. I heard about some technique named Match Betting (online) that I need to continue to read about. It seems this was one can win easily.

 

I don't think it would be so hard if you set up some rules like bank management, don't bet on unfamiliar sports events, don't try to win back instantly your previous losses and some others.

 

Anyway, there's a system called 'Sure bet or Arbitrage' where you simple can't lose regardless of the outcome of events and sports betting also can be used very effectively to take advantage of any kind of deposit bonuses at bookies and of course it also doesn't hurt if you find some pleasure and excitement in betting.

[Toiletseat]

I don't think it would be so hard if you set up some rules like bank management, don't bet on unfamiliar sports events, don't try to win back instantly your previous losses and some others.

 

Anyway, there's a system called 'Sure bet or Arbitrage' where you simple can't lose regardless of the outcome of events and sports betting also can be used very effectively to take advantage of any kind of deposit bonuses at bookies and of course it also doesn't hurt if you find some pleasure and excitement in betting.

Lol, I tried the arbitrage betting system, but it is very difficult, if not impossible to play. With constant changing odds you really have to catch the momentum, and hope that while you are placing the bets, the odds are not changing. 

[paquito76]

Lol, I tried the arbitrage betting system, but it is very difficult, if not impossible to play. With constant changing odds you really have to catch the momentum, and hope that while you are placing the bets, the odds are not changing.

What you described is true for chosing live events but it easily can be used for upcoming events without any hurry-scurry.

Not coincidence that many players use it very successful though it requires other criterions.

[paquito76]

After a quick search, there's an example.
NHL, WSH-NYI starts tomorrow at 01:00, 2 period 1.5 goals Over/Under
You have odds of 2.10 and 2.12. Profit more than 5%.

Just look how long they will be available to bet on!

Edit: 10:51 Betsafe has now lowered its odds to 1.86 so you would have been

        16 mins to place bets.

Betsafe:


Betgun:

[MacdoniS]

Just follow which club has money, so they can pay the games

 

Joooookiiiing

Hello! I'm too confused from what you're trying to say? What you're trying to imply?   

 

BTW: I'm a experienced sports bettor. 

[paquito76]

I have a strong feeling that today my team - Blackhawks - will beat Nashville especially now when Weber is out so I think the odds of 2.04 seems to be a little gift for us.

[Toiletseat]

After a quick search, there's an example.

NHL, WSH-NYI starts tomorrow at 01:00, 2 period 1.5 goals Over/Under

You have odds of 2.10 and 2.12. Profit more than 5%.

 

Just look how long they will be available to bet on!

 

Edit: 10:51 Betsafe has now lowered its odds to 1.86 so you would have been

        16 mins to place bets.

 

Betsafe:

 

Betgun:

Hi Paquito,

An excellent example you showed concerning arbitrage betting. Fortunatelly, in this case there was a 16 minutes timeframe. It happened to me more than once that while a was placing an arbitrage (consisting of 3 bets) , the odds changed so the arbitrage turned useless. The bet I allready placed I lost.  And that is exactly the problem. When there is for example an average profit of 5% per arbitrage bet, I need 20 of those bets to make up for the loss I made with one arbitrage that could not be finished placing in time. 

You seem to me like an experienced punter.    I am struggling with how to determine if a bet has value in it. I mostly use statistics head to head, but I seem to lose more than I win. Can you give me some advise, or share your thoughts on this subject?

Thanks in advance !! 

[paquito76]

Hey Toiletseat!

 

Regarding to arbitrage system, some people could ask rightfully if it is so easy why not everyone making much profit with them? The answer is exactly simple if you don't do this for living, it simple kills all kind of excitement and enjoyment what gambling should be meant and this is the main reason why I don't do it too frequently.

 

If someone wants to use it for just making money that's a totally different thing and as I said it requires other tools to have to be successful.

 

Let me speak a few words about the principles at first. The most important thing is you have to have a very, very massive bankroll to start it. As seen in my or any other examples the profits are not too high per bets so you have to have liquidity all time. Also must have several (verified) accounts at different bookies and have e-wallett accounts to be able to react as fast as you can and be mobile.

 

There are other some tips and rules which I think we must focus on. First and foremost you set up a plan and stick to it at any cost...always make decision with cool head...Always check double, triple times that everything is OK before placing bets...Always play this method at bookmakers where your accounts are in the same currency...Always know the rules and TOS of the bookies because for example if a player gives up a tennis match some bookies invalidate the bet while some others automatically consider as winner the player who advances to the next round...Prefer the Asian handicap, 2-way odds as it makes much easier to manage the betting process...and never play in any live events because as you said the constant odds changing makes really impossible to be success with them.

 

I could tell you many more about these things but you already well know them and don't want to waste your time.

 

To find great possibilities is a challenging thing at times and some say it could be find manually but I think it's better if you look for some tips at some special web sites (I suppose I'm not allowed to mention specific sites due to advertising) but there are three or four portals which are really usable and the odds are up to date. There are also professional programs which find odds for you but they're very expensive and I guess just the experienced and high-stake bettors use them.

 

Personally, if I make any sure bets I like to select events that will be played hours, days later and I believe this reduces to the minimum the risk of odds changing while placing bets just like the possibility (if the bookie offers this) of the 'Accept only higher odds while placing bets' option. So if I find any interesting odds pairing I open up two browser windows next to each other and separately log in, find odds, be sure the odds changing options properly selected and thicked and when everything is fine I place bets right after the other.

 

I hope you'll find some helpful things among the above mentioned and wish you good luck for arbitrage betting in the future.

[paquito76]

Oh, I almost forgot to mention another important thing you take care.

Of course the bookies don't really like arbitrage and if they're a little bit suspicious

maybe they are going to limit the stakes you can place which basically ends using any

arbitrage system at them.

 

Some bookie do it regardless whether you used it or not and will limit you in any event,

like bwin or paddypower which is not just unfortunate but also inapprehensible for me.

[Toiletseat]

Thanks Paquito for your very detailled answer regarding the sure bets   . Me too have spend lots of time finding sure bets, and indeed some monitoring tools were very usefull, but the profits are just too small to make up the losses.

But could you tell me something more about value bets, more specifically how to determine if a bet has value in it? 

Personally I take a look at the head to head statistics, wich almost always results in valued odd of the strong outsider.For example: outsider has lost 9 of 10 away matches against favorite. Statistically outsider has a chance of 10% to win, and 90% to lose.  In other words, the bookies are giving higher odds to the outsider as the statistics would suggest.. This method seems to lead to nowhere. The opposite method (when there is value in an outsider, bet the favourite) is also a dead end.

[ValDes]

Yey, so glad that this topic is alive again!  

 

Seat, hope you are happy now, finally a soul-mate for ya.

[Luciana]

Yey, so glad that this topic is alive again!

 

Seat, hope you are happy now, finally a soul-mate for ya.

 

And now only to find an experienced roulette player and Seat's team will be complete

[paquito76]

Thanks Paquito for your very detailled answer regarding the sure bets   . Me too have spend lots of time finding sure bets, and indeed some monitoring tools were very usefull, but the profits are just too small to make up the losses.

But could you tell me something more about value bets, more specifically how to determine if a bet has value in it? 

Personally I take a look at the head to head statistics, wich almost always results in valued odd of the strong outsider.For example: outsider has lost 9 of 10 away matches against favorite. Statistically outsider has a chance of 10% to win, and 90% to lose.  In other words, the bookies are giving higher odds to the outsider as the statistics would suggest.. This method seems to lead to nowhere. The opposite method (when there is value in an outsider, bet the favourite) is also a dead end.

 

Sorry mate, I don't think I'm the one who could give you any advise in this subject.

 

Value bets are simple based only mathematics and probability closing out every 'human' factor like injury, actual form, rivalry or circumstances like weather and many others and it's really far away from my betting style. It's almost a science to be successful with it long term and I'm more of a passional bettor than to make real depth analysis.

 

Back to the sure bet system what I'm more familiar with (or at least I was in the past). That's the point of the system, there's no losses at all if your doing everything right but you're right the profits are small and that's why you have to be flexible. If you place 1000 units on a pair of bets the profit is just around 30-50  - at least it's guaranteed - but if you want to make some serious money you have to place not just one bet at a time and this is a very serious process in moneywise standpoint.

[Awena]

Hi guys I have one question for you please!

 

I dont have time to go trough the pages and check if you already suggested the best place to be for online sport bet please!

[paquito76]

Hi guys I have one question for you please!

 

I dont have time to go trough the pages and check if you already suggested the best place to be for online sport bet please!

 

My absolute favourite is bet365 and I think they're the best all-round bookmaker on the market and defintely the best in covering live events. (Unibet is also a great choice but I know you already have an account there).

 

Other British bookies (William Hill, Paddy Power) are also the most reliable partners in the business but their odds are not always good enough and some of them will limit your bets sooner of later.

 

For the possible best odds I could recommend betting exchange sites like Betfair (or Matchbook) and for Asian handicap and hockey bets in my opinion Pinnacle must be your first priority.

[Toiletseat]

Hi Awena,

Lots of bookies have countryrestrictions   Pinnacle and Betfair have good odds, as I've heard, but I am restricted from playing at them. Betfair is a specialist in betting exchange, a concept that perhaps best is compared with a stock exchange. Personally I like to recommend SBO bet, a reliable bookie with good odds  who handles payouts quickly. Unibet and Bwin are perhaps the most wellknown, are also very reliable, but offer lower odds. Big Pro for Unibet: you can see lots of matches live on Unibet TV . William Hill as Paquito allready said is also a big player with a enormous wide range of offered bets. You also might consider Come On. 

I hope this helps   , Good Luck punting 

[Toiletseat]

 

Sorry mate, I don't think I'm the one who could give you any advise in this subject.

 

Value bets are simple based only mathematics and probability closing out every 'human' factor like injury, actual form, rivalry or circumstances like weather and many others and it's really far away from my betting style. It's almost a science to be successful with it long term and I'm more of a passional bettor than to make real depth analysis.

 

Back to the sure bet system what I'm more familiar with (or at least I was in the past). That's the point of the system, there's no losses at all if your doing everything right but you're right the profits are small and that's why you have to be flexible. If you place 1000 units on a pair of bets the profit is just around 30-50 - at least it's guaranteed - but if you want to make some serious money you have to place not just one bet at a time and this is a very serious process in moneywise standpoint.

No need to be sorry Paquito. I am always very interested in a punter's ideas I am not that a passionate punter, but I am always eager to find a method to beat the odds. Talking about passion... besides I am passionate about my wife, Lucy, Awena, Coco, Kate and all the other ladies of this great forum, I am definitely a extremely passionate rouletteplayer

[Awena]

Thank you Seat!

 

[paquito76]

No need to be sorry Paquito. I am always very interested in a punter's ideas I am not that a passionate punter, but I am always eager to find a method to beat the odds. Talking about passion... besides I am passionate about my wife, Lucy, Awena, Coco, Kate and all the other ladies of this great forum, I am definitely a extremely passionate rouletteplayer

 

You see, using any strategies and systems at roulette table is more interesting and exciting for me.

 

By the way, I also like the spinning wheels a lot.

[Toiletseat]

My prediction for today is a soccermatch German Bundesliga: Hamburger SV - Freiburg. I expect Hamburg to win this match. Both team fighting relegation, Hamburg with home advantage and 2 wins in last 2 matches. Current odd 2.10.