Big Time Gaming and Bonanza

[tonsta31]

What a piece of S**t I have played BTG for a long time and put countless £1000's through but last night and today took the pi**

£2 a spin put over £400 through then got gold and won £2.50 the RTP on this machine for around £8000 of real money has been approx. 30%

BTG you should be ashamed of yourself nothing but a con.

I know gambling is just that but really? pretty much fake RTP now on your machines but oh yes its volatile that is always their excuse for ripping you apart of your money.

and yes I will now no longer be playing this companies machines and if other do not either they may well make them fair.

[Flatzem]

5 hours ago, tonsta31 said:

What a piece of S**t I have played BTG for a long time and put countless £1000's through but last night and today took the pi**

£2 a Spin put over £400 through then got gold and won £2.50 the RTP on this machine for around £8000 of real money has been approx. 30%

BTG you should be ashamed of yourself nothing but a con. 

I know gambling is just that but really? pretty much fake RTP now on your machines but oh yes its volatile that is always their excuse for ripping you apart of your money.

and yes I will now no longer be playing this companies machines and if other do not either they may well make them fair.

that's outrageous, and good on you for deciding to stop playing BTG slots, I see countless of players addicted to their sucker for punishment machines and yet they keep coming back for more BTG pain.

[cocopop3011]

8 hours ago, tonsta31 said:

What a piece of S**t I have played BTG for a long time and put countless £1000's through but last night and today took the pi**

£2 a Spin put over £400 through then got gold and won £2.50 the RTP on this machine for around £8000 of real money has been approx. 30%

BTG you should be ashamed of yourself nothing but a con.

I know gambling is just that but really? pretty much fake RTP now on your machines but oh yes its volatile that is always their excuse for ripping you apart of your money.

and yes I will now no longer be playing this companies machines and if other do not either they may well make them fair.

Pretty much going to echo what has alread been said but if you don't like their games them you have made the right decision not to play them again. Qhich game was you playing?  Or are you referring to their games as a whole? We have a few BTG players here in the forum in fact. 

[Flatzem]

7 minutes ago, cocopop3011 said:

Pretty much going to echo what has alread been said but if you don't like their games them you have made the right decision not to play them again. Which game was you playing?  Or are you referring to their games as a whole? We have a few BTG players here in the forum in fact.  

He was playing Bonanza.

[cocopop3011]

10 hours ago, Flatzem said:

He was playing Bonanza.

Should have guessed

[pinnit2015]

If you check the other thread you'll see i got 3.60 from a 4 quid GOLD.

Nature of the beast though - still pick Bonanzas infuriating play over a PNG any day. 

Lil Devils the one you want for true HV - rest are MV pretending. Monopoly is awful and the new bonanza looks as gimmicky as the rest.

Their bossman CEO appears to be a snake oil salesman. 

[tonsta31]

Thank you, don't get me wrong I think Bonanza is a fun machine in its mechanics but the pay out omg is it bad, I am surprised they are still allowed to get away with it. As Pinnit above said about the bonus you spend soooo long getting it and what for? £2.50 or as above £3.60 its a joke really. I know some people will win big but average to player is disgraceful.

I used to play Opal fruits and to be honest did not see that bad of returns but since this issue with the buying the bonus Opal fruits seems to of gone down hill too now and on par with Bonanza.

I did used to love Extra Chilli though, I used to frequently buy the bonus but the site I use has removed it now and without the bonus buy I probably would not play it now.

I think BTG as a whole is a terrible company and hopefully people will cop on to them soon and stop playing their machines.

[pinnit2015]

1 hour ago, tonsta31 said:

Thank you, don't get me wrong I think Bonanza is a fun machine in its mechanics but the pay out omg is it bad, I am surprised they are still allowed to get away with it. As Pinnit above said about the bonus you spend soooo long getting it and what for? £2.50 or as above £3.60 its a joke really. I know some people will Win Big but average to player is disgraceful.

I used to play Opal fruits and to be honest did not see that bad of returns but since this issue with the buying the bonus Opal fruits seems to of gone down hill too now and on par with Bonanza.

I did used to love Extra Chilli though, I used to frequently buy the bonus but the site I use has removed it now and without the bonus buy I probably would not play it now.

I think BTG as a whole is a terrible company and hopefully people will cop on to them soon and stop playing their machines.

Difference between it now and 2016/17 is the base game  - it's died completely, meaning you don't get the cash recycled to wait for the bonus.

They play HV but pay MV at best - want a provider that, as far possible, is true HV ish then Merkur/Novomatic/Push/No Limit are the real providers of that type. BTG are smoke and mirrors IMO.

IMO the best one was possibly White Rabbit...but it's unplayable without the buy feature now.

[tonsta31]

2 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Difference between it now and 2016/17 is the base game  - it's died completely, meaning you don't get the cash recycled to wait for the bonus.

They play HV but pay MV at best - want a provider that, as far possible, is true HV ish then Merkur/Novomatic/Push/No Limit are the real providers of that type. BTG are smoke and mirrors IMO.

IMO the best one was possibly White Rabbit...but it's unplayable without the buy feature now.

Fully agree, such good machines wasted.

Incidentally I have also reported to the UK Gambling commission with a hope they will look into it. I have screenshots from the casinos I play showing the RTP average. 

 

[pinnit2015]

37 minutes ago, tonsta31 said:

Fully agree, such good machines wasted.

Incidentally I have also reported to the UK Gambling commission with a hope they will look into it. I have screenshots from the casinos I play showing the RTP average. 

 

Dunno what the latest stats are re the base game but in the past you were looking at 68% or something being the RTP in the base game so, by that, ***** bonus round were to be expected - compare that to Reactoonz that must run at base game RTP <50%.

I'm now struggling to see where the RTP is actually coming from.

Out of all the BTG's i prefer Bonanza but DHV/Lil Devil (from what seen) are the 2 that will genuinely give you a monster. Don't seem as nefarious. 

[tonsta31]

Well although this may sound stupid I put £400 through today for the purpose of recording it, 1 gold bonus at £15 playing £2 stake. I do not mind losing it of it can show others of how much of a con BTG are.

Biggest win was approx. (can be confirmed) £52

If that does not scream con I do not know what does.

I will be posting the video this evening.

[Flatzem]

2 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Dunno what the latest stats are re the base game but in the past you were looking at 68% or something being the RTP in the base game so, by that, ***** bonus round were to be expected - compare that to Reactoonz that must run at base game RTP <50%. 

I'm now struggling to see where the RTP is actually coming from. 

Out of all the BTG's i prefer Bonanza but DHV/Lil Devil (from what seen) are the 2 that will genuinely give you a monster. Don't seem as nefarious. 

Bonanza must be making so much money for BTG and casinos. Is there any other slot that takes so much and gives so little back yet players remain so hooked on it.

[Flatzem]

1 hour ago, tonsta31 said:

Well although this may sound stupid I put £400 through today for the purpose of recording it, 1 gold bonus at £15 playing £2 stake. I do not mind losing it of it can show others of how much of a con BTG are. 

Biggest win was approx. (can be confirmed) £52 

If that does not scream con I do not know what does. 

I will be posting the video this evening. 

now that you are finally convinced that it is a con is that the final nail in the BTG coffin.

[copyyy]

47 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

Bonanza must be making so much money for BTG and casinos. Is there any other slot that takes so much and gives so little back yet players remain so hooked on it.

Probably their another top game  ^Who Wants To Be A Millionaire^ that you need 500-1000spins sometimes to trigger the feature, it even teases way more than Bonanza.

The base game in my situation is sometimes even worse than Bonanza.

[Flatzem]

30 minutes ago, copyyy said:

Probably their another top game  ^Who Wants To Be A Millionaire^ that you need 500-1000spins sometimes to trigger the feature, it even teases way more than Bonanza.

The base game in my situation is sometimes even worse than Bonanza.

WWTBAM hasn't addicted as many players to it as  Bonanza.

[Afi4wins]

BTG to me means BIG TIME GLUTTONY...!!! 

[pinnit2015]

Casumo have been publishing the biggest wins on their site over 2000x and shows you how subjective games are:

PNG hold the most for games (rough count) over 2000x - but i hate them. Obviously someone's winning on them. 

BTG's games are nearly all there in the top 30 or whatever it is (Bonanza, WWTBAM, FC,LD ) No white rabbit which is weird

MG? Don't even think they appear - not surprising. If Netent are beating you it's time to pack up

Red Tiger have a good number in there...

For me the worst one is blueprint - aside from Napoleon. 

Probably best if had access of likelihood of 250-500x, 500x plus - some providers have that (tho not publically)

[ValDes]

22 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Casumo have been publishing the biggest wins on their site over 2000x and shows you how subjective games are:

PNG Hold the most for games (rough count) over 2000x - but i hate them. Obviously someone's winning on them. ....

Couldn't resist for a !

[ValDes]

On 1/25/2020 at 4:41 PM, tonsta31 said:

Fully agree, such good machines wasted.

Incidentally I have also reported to the UK Gambling commission with a hope they will look into it. I have screenshots from the casinos I play showing the RTP average. 

Pretty curious to see what the UKGC would do about it... Keep us posted. 

Welcome to AskGamblers Forum though.  

[pinnit2015]

1 minute ago, ValDes said:

Pretty curious to see what the UKGC would do about it... Keep us posted. 

Welcome to AskGamblers Forum though.  

They'd take issue with the waterfall and the music, saying they're targeting children for gambling.

And limit autopay to 5 per session.

Oh Valdes....you think the UKGC know what RTP stands for? How cute 

[pinnit2015]

6 minutes ago, ValDes said:

Couldn't resist for a !

Getting 20 x on Rise of Merlin is a mission, seemingly a PNG employee, sorry, normal player, is hitting 2k x on them.

[ValDes]

41 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

Getting 20 x on Rise of Merlin is a mission, seemingly a PNG employee, sorry, normal player, is hitting 2k x on them.

Oh, come on, Mr P! You are slowly but surely turning into PNG die-hard fan, just admit it! 

[pinnit2015]

Just now, ValDes said:

Oh, come on, Mr P! You are slowly but surely turning into PNG die-hard fan, just admit it! 

More chance of a 2000x plus on Bonanza 

I like Sweet Alchemy/reactoonz.....that's about as good as it gets.....

[tonsta31]

15 hours ago, ValDes said:

Pretty curious to see what the UKGC would do about it... Keep us posted. 

Welcome to AskGamblers Forum though.  

I will thanks, I have submitted the report with videos etc.. Hopefully something even small will come of it.

It seems I am not the only one getting screwed over by this company and something really needs to be done about it.

[Fiekie247]

On 1/27/2020 at 9:46 AM, pinnit2015 said:

Getting 20 x on Rise of Merlin is a mission, seemingly a PNG employee, sorry, normal player, is hitting 2k x on them.

I have to be honest, I struggle to get a winner on Rise of Merlin, this slot is always in Cold Mode for me, I actually did well over a 1000 spins before in 3 different sessions and not once trigger the free spins feature. Ill take my chances on Madame Destiny instead.