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In the first instance, is it true that you did open another account at the casino, knowingly or otherwise?

I usually and mostly play my slot games with 15 too...15 cents!

King Billy is one of my favourite casinos and I surely wish and hope that they will sort out this issue for you Niran. That's a lot of cashback money involved, but the amount of bets you've made is even more UNBELIEVABLE! Aaaaah...that's life without money problems I guess...

You're most welcome Niran. Net Loss, as indicated to you by your VIP manager, is your total bet amount minus the total winning amount, made during the valid period of time (week).

Hi Niran. Another player had a similar cashback issue some months back as well. As you can see, the formula for calculating the cashback is your (Total Bet Sum, minus all winning amounts during play, minus all bonuses received) x 0.1. I don't know if that 80k winnings included all the winnings for each and every spin during your play session, but that is actually what would be counted in the formula, not just the final winning amount. Your 8k withdrawal and 8k redeposit would and should have been included in that total bet sum amount.

I guess you may be the only one who likes iSoftbet games mate. I find them simply ridiculous...too many dead spins...feature game takes ages, yet pay like you-know-what!

Let's face the reality...Bonus Buys are the fastest way for any player to lose their money...and the fastest way for the casino/game provider to reap in the money! It is really a ploy and a trick to make players think that it's an easy way to win...just as you'd think it would be damn easy to get wins on a 117,000 ways-to-win game...but it's all a BIG LIE! If you are looking for games that can pay big, without any of the megaways hype, then play games that have very good paytables (very good win values for the symbols). The old ways are still the most trustworthy way to win big!

The REALITY is that, all casinos exist to make money...LOTS of money...and they simply don't give a hoot to players...all casinos want is the players money! With that in mind, you need to be careful and cautious all the time. Expect to lose MOST of the time, and win when you least expect it! If you play simply to win all the time, you'd be digging a big hole for yourself!

Things aren't cheerful over in my city either...nearly 900 new cases reported each day for the last 2 days...but no total lockdown necessary as yet. Hope it won't come to that.

Woohooo...what a weekend hah Guru-san? A big congrats mate!

We're in the same boat mate, but most likely not on the same sailing route...I'm sailing into the sunset!

I haven't payed Primal Megaways by Blueprint...I would only see that game in its blueprint...not going to play it either...but at least it doesn't boast of 117,000 ways to win as others are hyping. Does anyone realise what it takes to win all of that 117,000 ways? You need to get ALL SAME SYMBOLS on the reels! Seeing half of that amount is already almost impossible! Yeah, a very few very lucky players have indeed got almost all of the same symbols, but I have yet to see or hear of anyone getting the full screen of them. Maybe it is possible, but definitely would be a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence for just one damn incredibly lucky player...after many billions of spins done on that game. Maaan, you can't even do 10 millions spins in your lifetime of play, what more billions. It is all just a damn big hype, to catch all the greedy punters, who actually believe that they can be that one-in-a-billion lucky winner! Even my used-to-be-damn-good oldie games are playing and paying like you-know-what nowadays. No thanks to AI. Playtech games, for example, still maintain the original RTPs (at least at the Asian-based casino where I'm playing them anyway), but they certainly do not play or pay as years before. I'm slowly getting very fed up with them...and would probably also stop playing them in due time. What game has lived up to its hype? NONE! For me at least.

If you throw a stone at a sleeping ferocious dog, would that be a good idea? Just let the sleeping dogs sleep mate...more peaceful!

Good strategy there! And keeps the headaches and stresses away too!

Makes me wonder why Dave is even asking this question now, after 13 months lapse?!

Only because he is/was a VIP at Oshi. Ordinary members would probably not get anything back.

A high deposit to pay-off ratio would usually mean a high Return To Player (RTP)...anything above 96.6% RTP can be considered a good game to play. On the other hand, if you're meaning games that can pay big wins with small bets, then you're looking for High Variance (HV) games. So, which is which, if I may ask? Hope you are also aware that nowadays, almost ALL games do not play or pay as good as years before, so getting wins are getting tougher and tougher!

We all have our own favourite online casino and it isn't almost always the same as another gambler's. I used to play at Oshi but have closed my account there. Not only at Oshi, at hundreds of other casinos as well! My list of casinos now can be counted, fingers are enough, but more than 20 more are lying idle and waiting for the day when I would start closing all those accounts again, as before. Why the big change in interest? I blame it TOTALLY on how games are playing very badly and not paying as good these days! The good old days have gone by...and I'm waiting for the next cloud to take me away too...

Keeping track of my gambling expenses is actually a breeze nowadays...that's because I only play at one of my local Asian-based online casino and have almost stopped playing anywhere else. Profit or Loss? Don't even have to ask! If in profit, I'd be playing more often wouldn't I? If you're in profit, well done! But always remember that black isn't always black...it can turn red when you least expect it!

Point taken, so we'll leave that bit for Askgamblers management to sort out. What we members are trying to do here is to try to understand what is happening at the casino and why you can't seem to withdraw your winnings. That was the main topic wasn't it? What I can understand so far is that it seems your supporting documentations were not approved or accepted by the casino, hence the limbo...or maybe I'm wrong?

I have nothing to do with that as I am just an ordinary member. My statements are only concerning your case directly, regardless of the casino's status. The same thing would most probably have happened the same way if it was at another reputable casino, simply going by the requirements of the law, but I do not know much details about your case here anyway.

You are doing everything right to YOUR terms, but the casino has to do the money management AS REQUIRED BY THE LAW, so no casino can simply pay you your winnings without getting all the paperwork done and approved first! Why is this so hard for you to understand? Don't be so righteous-minded bro.

You may be verified but that doesn't solve this statement: This involves the casino's ledger and every cent must be accounted for, therefore you are required by law to make all the necessary withdrawals, get them approved, get the money paid to you, then only the account can be closed. You can ask any lawyer about this, or on how the law works.

I agree with your understanding of the above Closing Of Account clause, but it is only one part of several requisites before any account can be closed, simply because it is not a bank, it is a casino, and the law operates quite differently between the two. Let's say you rent a room and want to check out the next day. The rental law requires you to make good the room (reinstate the room) to how it was before you used it. Meaning, everything belonging to the owner is back in its place, but anything you leave behind is not their responsibility if it gets lost or stolen. The onus is on you to ensure that you have cleared all of your belongings and not taken anything that doesn't belong to you. A casino account works differently. The casino opens a new account for you to use and shall close it when you request for its closure, although some casinos have since been required by new regulations to impose the self-exclusion clause instead. Once again, the account must be reinstated as it was before you used it, with a zero balance. However, the law requires that the account user be first verified via the KYC procedure. In your case, you have won money from the casino, thereby requiring further procedures to be abided and approved before the account can be closed. This involves the casino's ledger and every cent must be accounted for, therefore you are required by law to make all the necessary withdrawals, get them approved, get the money paid to you, then only the account can be closed. What that Clause 4.4 is saying is that the casino shall close the account for you upon your request, but you have to reinstate back the account to how it was before you use it. They can refund you your deposit or deposits (it's your own money), but your winnings are from their account, which requires additional legislatively procedures to be implemented, before they can close your account. So, what is holding you back from withdrawing the winnings out of the account? Was it rejected, or pending approval subject to you submitting additional supporting documentations to them? Even though Clause 4.4 is correct, but it is insufficiently worded. In a court of law, all other pertaining clauses automatically comes into play, not just Clause 4.4. and that is basically what is happening here in your case. Hope this is clear to you, if not already in your know. My advice...just do what the casino needs you to do, for a start. If other issues should crop up, then we are all here to help you out. We are NEVER on any casino's side, simply because we are gamblers too!

Wonderful news! Not a lot of winnings but still FREE money!