Problem with Tipbet

[Samuel R]

This is the worst casino and sportsbook site ever. He stole my winnings from me. They do not have money to pay players who make a profit. It's a deposit-only site, and never makes payments from those who need to withdraw. I would not recommend this site to anyone. Anyone who registers an account and places money on this site will only be able to lose. They are dishonest and use hidden and obscure terms and conditions to steal your money. Look for another site to play, a site that is honest. Never create an account or put money in Tipbet, or you will lose everything and you will have many headaches for this.

 

 

 

Hello players friends, I am having difficulty solving a subject occurred on Tipbet.com website

Below, I will tell you what happened, in detail and with printscreens that will facilitate understanding. With this, I humbly ask you to help us to get in touch with the staff of the site or its supervisors, with the intention of reaching an honest resolution to this

I am an old site user, depositor and with thousands of bets made. I had never made a withdrawal before. However, recently I participated in a promotion where I would win a bonus and would have to meet the conditions of playing his value multiplied by 10. The maximum winnings after the rollover was 100.00. OK no problems

So I started playing, I stayed days, weeks, months playing. Normally. Until I was able to fulfill the difficult and heavy rollover. My account balance was, now after the rollover ended, 119.56 (according to the print screen attached here, which shows the value after the rollover and below shows the bets made that fulfilled the rollover). In other words, the 100.00 of maximum gains + 19.56 extra that I left in the account without using it, because it was not mine and the site should remove at any time. This balance was now withdrawable money balance

Perfectly, everything okay up here. I did not want to make the withdrawal of 100.00. The terms and conditions of the promotion or website did not report anything about this. I decided to continue playing on the site. Using those 100.00, using values deposited by me, using new bonuses offered by the site, using new deposit bonus, and all this mixed in a single balance, obviously

I spent more days, weeks, playing, without asking for any retreat. By the time my balance was now at 522.56. So I decided to make a withdrawal of a small part of this amount

But here the problem began. While I was happy to have had some profit after weeks of playing, I imagined that the site would only withdraw the additional extras 19,56, I was taken by surprise: the site removed 464.00 from my account! Suddenly, suddenly, suddenly and without speaking, nothing

Immediately, I contacted the support to complain about this, reporting the error, to remove only the 19.56 and not 464.00. And the site claimed that the maximum earnings was 100.00

In other words, the site has the thought that all my thousands of bets was still with the bonus. The site disregards that I made deposits, won new bonuses, fulfilled the new rollovers of the new bonuses, I used therefore real money that were not bonuses, but only because all this mixed with those 100.00 coming from that bonus, the site is in the right to consider everything as arising from the bonus

It's an absurd. They claim that the user would need to make the 100.00 withdrawal as soon as he rolled the rollover. Wait to receive the withdrawal. And re-deposit the 100.00 to continue playing. However, this does not follow an honest logic, this does not exist in any site. The user must withdraw a value, by obligation, having to stop playing on the site while waiting 1, 2 or 3 days to receive, and then re-deposit that. This is unacceptable. On the contrary, I liked the site and decided to continue playing on it, including depositing and making thousands of other bets, participating in new promotions!

If there was really this obligation, after the rollover, to stop playing, withdraw the value 100.00 immediately, wait 1, 2 or 3 days to receive, and then re-deposit, to just now continue to play the account, they put this on the terms and conditions, expressly and clearly saying: after the rollover, stop playing, withdraw the 100.00, wait for payment, deposit again the 100.00 and start using your account again! Or that the site had contacted me by email to report this! But, no, none of this was on the terms and conditions, nor did anyone on the site contact me to warn about this, which made me continue to play on the site without making any withdrawals, make deposits, win new deposit bonuses, fulfill your rollovers normally , make everything real money cash withdrawable, so only after all this try to withdraw some part of the balance

Attached, it follows the image of print screen that shows the moment that I finished the rollover:
119,56 = balance in account made with the bonus
150.00 = rollover required to comply with rollover
150.20 = the sum of the bets I made and rolled
0.20 = remaining value to end the rollover (negative because I did more than needed)
Below, in Bonus Stake History, follow the bets that I made and that counted to fulfill rollover

I humbly ask your help and respectfully ask for the understanding and fair play by the Tipbet team to return my balance of $ 464.00 to my account so that I can continue playing on the site or pay me this amount as withdrawal so that I re-deposit and continue playing because there was no reporting withdrawal obligation after rollover

 

 

Edited March 6, 2019 by cocopop3011
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[Samuel R]

Tipbet is a scam company. They haven't money for to pay customers!

I am fully disappointed and frustrated with this company. They removed
my honest winnings 464€ without honest reason. Bellow I will to
explain in details the case, and I wait they can to resolve honestly
this with me, for then I to update you and change my Tipbet rating for
maximum stars

One time ago I win a bonus with rollover 150,00 and with maximum
winnings limited in 100€

Then I done bets using the bonus (prove evidence:
https://i.postimg.cc/B678R8PR/bets-with-bonus.jpg) and ended the
rollover with 119,56 as proved in this image evidence. In this
screenshot exist the amount after rollover ended as too the list of
bets done with the bonus (all bets who completed the rollover)

I could in this moment, with rollover completed, to withdraw that
100,00 and to remove that extra 19,56. But I not saw sense in to do
this withdraw for then to re-deposit that 100,00 seconds after. Then,
I resolved to continue playing there, because now that not more is
bonus funds, but yes real money, I am right? Without no limitations of
winnings, of course (same thing if I had withdrawed and re-deposited)

Then, after this moment of rollover ended, all bets which I done
(thousands of bets for long days of last weeks) was done using not
more using that bonus, but yes now using deposited funds, bonus of
deposited funds (other bonus) and too real cash money (when not
existed bonus running)

Then I was now with 522,56€. I asked a withdraw and when the finance
team would must to remove only the extra 19,56 (because with the bonus
I wins 119,56 but the maximum is 100,00) then this team wrong and
removed 464€! Absurd!

I am being stoled by Tipbet, I am fully disappointed and frustrated
with it. I have all print screen of my thousands bets done for long
days there. And the prove evidence of page bonus
(https://i.postimg.cc/B678R8PR/bets-with-bonus.jpg) proving they would
must to remove only 19,56 and not 464!

I think they are promesing bonuses only for to lie, offers liers
without to honour if the customer to win and to end the hard rollover
with some profit, only as strategy of marketing for to have new
customers depositors

I think, then, which Tipbet is scam company. I am unhappy with this
and resolved to public for millions of peoples in all world here in
this forum, as alert of scam company

I will to contact the Tipbet support service for to try resolve this
situation of way friendly and amicable, for to run a resolution honest
and with fair play, and to have my full winnings paid. Then, after
this, of course I will to change my opinion about this company and to
update my rating here for maximum level, as I will to see this was a
single incovenience caused and was resolved honestly by Tipbet team

If the site to wish resolve the issue and re-add in my account the
removed 464€ amount for me to continue playing with this, or to send
it to my e-wallet, of course I will to remove this my messages and
to write a new recommending Tipbet for all as a honest and great
company, because I will to see you really are honest and works with
fair play

[Afi4wins]

Hello Samuel, welcome to Askgamblers. 

As much as I empathise your situation, in my honest opinion, trying to get back that 464 EUR from the casino would be like a lost cause. Why? Simply because you chose to carry on playing with that 100 EUR win, without closing that bonus-wagering-completed sequence! All further plays and deposits done by you are therefore still locked within that same bonus sequence, because it is still not closed! Whatever you win in all your later plays would still fall within that '100 EUR' restriction!

Many players are unaware of this ruling, and it is not for any casino to inform players of what any ruling implies - the onus is always on the player to know and abide by the casino rules!

Perhaps it is best if you just accept that 100 EUR withdrawal, that this as a lesson learned, and never repeat that same mistake again.

Still, if you very unhappy with it, you may try to get some kind of resolution, or get more help on it. If I were you, I would just take that 100 EUR...but that's just me. 

[Samuel R]

Hi, Afi4wins thanks for your reply. My english is bad, but if I understood right, when you spoke " without closing that bonus-wagering-completed sequence", this is wrong

 

Because I completed normally and fully the terms and conditions, the rollover. of that bonus, ending with 119,56. Only after this, now with real money cash in account, I started to do deposits and to win new bonuses in deposits and others. In resume: all rollover of bonus was completed a lot time before I to request some withdraw of part of amount

[Afi4wins]

51 minutes ago, Samuel R said:

Hi, Afi4wins thanks for your reply. My english is bad, but if I understood right, when you spoke " without closing that bonus-wagering-completed sequence", this is wrong

 

Because I completed normally and fully the terms and conditions, the rollover. of that bonus, ending with 119,56. Only after this, now with real money cash in account, I started to do deposits and to win new bonuses in deposits and others. In resume: all rollover of bonus was completed a lot time before I to request some withdraw of part of amount

Hi Samuel. Now that is where everybody gets it wrong...or misunderstand the actual ruling!

Yes, you have completed the bonus wagering, and you are eligible to withdraw 100 EUR in real cash...but you didn't! Instead, you carried on playing with it, making more deposits as you play on. This is where the 'trap' is...you did not make a withdrawal of that 100 EUR, so the entire bonus wagering sequence was not completed or closed! You MUST withdraw that win, or have lost all your deposit + bonus money,  in order to close and end that bonus sequence!

Hope this is clear now for you. 

[pinnit2015]

IMO they should be giving you your second deposit back then - don't know what their terms say but it's then a ridiculous situation of, no matter what you put in, they're simply not going to give anything other than the 100. But happy to accept though. Many places upon completing the wagering will automatically correct your balance to the 100 once wagering is complete.  May as well give a charitable donation. 

What do the terms actually say? 

[Samuel R]

No friend. Every site, that is really honest and has limitation of gains in some bonus, is made this removal automatically and immediately after the rollover, the deduction is made immediately, exactly to avoid this type of situation

Every site, which is not amateur, would have removed the 19.56, at the time that I finished the rollover. This is something obvious and notorious. But, the Tipbet seems to be amateur or just dishonest for pleasure

Imagine the scene: you have 100 euros. If you remain with this value in your hand, it will have an X value to buy things. But if you put it in your pocket and in 1 second after you withdraw it from the pocket, it will take another Y value to buy things

This absurd example seems to be how the amateur site Tipbet works:

- If the player wants to continue playing on the website, in his account, he must stop playing, withdraw the amount, wait 2, 3, 10 days to receive (depending on the deposit method used), then re-deposit (again, I I say: if this really were the case, it should be on the terms and conditions this obligation to stop playing, withdraw and re-deposit, and had nothing on it!)

There is no practical and logical difference between the above situation and the situation I did:

- I did not withdraw anything, on the contrary, I started to deposit and win new bonuses, staying days playing, relying on the honesty of the site, so only after all try to withdraw some part of the value

I think it was a situation caused by unclear or incomplete terms on the part of the site. That could easily be resolved by re-crediting my balance into account or paying this as withdrawal. Since I did not violate any rules that were exposed on the site and the terms. I fulfilled all faithfully and completely

Because, in practical terms, the site has not lost anything with me, because there is no practical difference between to play, withdraw and re-deposit, and remain without withdrawing, making deposits, winning new bonuses and making thousands of other bets before trying take some value

An honest website would honor the winnings and return a value because the client did not act in bad faith, was honest and can not be penalized for having chosen and resolved to continue trusting the site, putting his money, losing days and days of his happy life making thousands of aposts for long days believing everything is going well

An honest website would be happy to have the continued user playing on their platform, as most just take the value off. I decided to stay on the site, I did not act in bad faith, I was deceived by incomplete terms and I can not be harmed by this

An honest website would do that. I hope Tipbet can solve this honestly with me

[Samuel R]

 

Exactly, pinnit2015. An honest and not amateur site would have made the immediate correction of the value, before the person could make deposits, win new bonuses, fulfill new rollovers and everything else

Imagine if the user, after continuing to play, had made deposits, won new bonuses, fulfilled all the rollovers, but in the end everything had totally lost the value: now, it was 0.00 in the balance

The site would pay 100.00 as correction, what was the initial bonus winnings? Of course not! The situation is the same, but the reverse!

It is something so simple, ridiculous and notorious. Any child, with a minimum of logical reasoning, understands and agrees that an honest site would solve this case easily by returning the value that was removed

[Samuel R]

The case comes down to one question: if they ignored everything that happened as soon as the rollover was completed and taking 100.00 of balance, if they ignored all the gains made from this time I did not withdraw the 100.00, then the question is:

If the user completes the rollover, having a balance of 100.00, and continues playing, until losing everything, stay with 0.00. Will the site ignore all of this loss and return the 100.00 to the user account?

If you ignore the gains made after 100.00, would you ignore losses after 100.00?

Obviously not, do you agree? This proves that this site is scam and dishonest, which dishonors the customer just not to pay. I was stolen at 462.00 and did not report this site to anyone. Every day I will report on this scam company on all review sites, blogs and social networks, to alert other potential future players of this thief site so no one else has a headache when just wanted to play and have fun. They can steal my 462.00, but they will have much more damage because of this, losing customers and profits that would come from these. This is little to those who are dishonest and writes incomplete terms and conditions to deceive honest users and not pay. Tipbet is scam!

[Afi4wins]

1 hour ago, Samuel R said:

The case comes down to one question: if they ignored everything that happened as soon as the rollover was completed and taking 100.00 of balance, if they ignored all the gains made from this time I did not withdraw the 100.00, then the question is:

If the user completes the rollover, having a balance of 100.00, and continues playing, until losing everything, stay with 0.00. Will the site ignore all of this loss and return the 100.00 to the user account?

If you ignore the gains made after 100.00, would you ignore losses after 100.00?

Obviously not, do you agree? This proves that this site is scam and dishonest, which dishonors the customer just not to pay. I was stolen at 462.00 and did not report this site to anyone. Every day I will report on this scam company on all review sites, blogs and social networks, to alert other potential future players of this Thief site so no one else has a headache when just wanted to Play and have fun. They can steal my 462.00, but they will have much more damage because of this, losing customers and profits that would come from these. This is little to those who are dishonest and writes incomplete terms and conditions to deceive honest users and not pay. Tipbet is scam!

Nope...I do not agree with you Samuel. Supposing I gave you a Credit Note, and tell you to redeem it first to get the cash, otherwise that Credit Note is as good as useless...but you decided to play with it instead. So when you lose all of that credit note's value, what is there left to be redeemed or claimed back? Nothing! You played it and you lost it all! But if you happen to gain more than the credit note's value, that note is still only valid for its original amount...nothing more, nothing less.

Sure, the extra was won using more deposits from you...the question is...why didn't you redeem that credit note first before continuing play? It is a rule imposed by casinos. Yes, it is indeed an unfair ruling for us players, but as I've said before elsewhere, all casinos have only one aim for its existence...to make money...nothing else.

[pinnit2015]

Can you copy and paste exactly what the terms say? (I think you ‘mocked’ up some above to show how ridiculous you thought it was etc) 

[pinnit2015]

Ok - reread and had a look on the site.

From what I see there is NOTHING in their terms that states that you need to do this. So, how exactly, is a person meant to know this? By asking a magic 8 ball?  

Now.... has you played a game like Castlebuilder they would likely cancel any winnings as the bonus balance helped build it up but I’ll run with the presumption that you didn’t.

If the above is correct I’ll have to respectfully disagree with my honourable friend Afi ( see I can be nice) - there is no rule. Rather than the question of why didn’t he withdraw at that time, the other question is why should he have? - there was nothing to say he had to. Whilst this may be a ‘rule’ on some sites, it doesn’t look like it’s one here. 

I can understand how doing this may confuse a system - but that in itself doesn’t warrant taking that deposit with no service in return. And even more so if players haven’t been warned about it.

ps....don’t go down the route of social media flaming. It’s likely to get you into trouble if you overstep the boundary....

[ValDes]

I believe the essence of the issue is hidden somewhere within the specific terms associated with the bonus taken by OP. Their general bonus&casino terms might be saying nothing about max cashout restrictions on free spins/free cash bonuses (as we are used to see in most online casinos) but it doesn't mean the specific promo goes with such limitation. 

[Afi4wins]

I was speaking and commenting on my own experiences before...in a similar situation, whereby the casino removed my extra winnings and paid me only the allowed winnings amount from the bonus. The fact is that only a very few casinos do state that any bonus wagering must be completed and any winnings be withdrawn first (I can't remember which casino had this in their T&C), before making a new deposit to play, otherwise all further winnings would be tied to the original bonus max win limit. Alternatively, the unfinished bonus wagering must be forfeited or cancelled, which can be done in the account section, or request it to be cleared via Live Chat.

Although most casinos do not specifically have this clause in their T&C, the casino support team / Live Chat host would always say the same thing when asked.

For me personally, after twice of that same incident (if I'm not mistaken), at different casinos, I now always make sure that any unfinished bonus/free spins balance are cancelled or forfeited, and that my account would show 'no active bonus' status.

[Samuel R]

 

1. Open an account at Tipbet.com

2. Enter the code bonus on the offer page and click on the OPT-IN button

3. This promotion is only available to new customers who register from 02.03.2018.

4. This promotion is only for residents from countries where participation is legal and legal.

5. The bonus amount will be credited to the user account after entering the code bonus in the section Offers under Account Summary.

6. The bonus is only available for the sports betting area.

7. If another bonus code has been used previously, this bonus will no longer be available.

8. The maximum profit that can be made with the bonus is 100 €.

9. Only combination bets with two (2) or more games and odds of the respective games, each amounting to at least 1.80, are relevant for meeting the terms and conditions of this bonus.

10. Any amounts can not be transferred to another Tipbet product wallet if the wagering requirements for the bonus have not been fully met or completed.

11. By activating this free bonus all wagers will be deducted from the bonus balance.

12. Bets with odds below 1.80 do not contribute to the fulfillment of the bonus terms and conditions.

13. The bonus can not be combined with other bonus codes.

14. The bonus must be implemented within 48 hours.

15. The maximum bet of each bet is one hundred percent (100%) of the bonus amount. Only bets that are lower or corresponding to the maximum bet will be counted towards the calculation of the required minimum bet.

16. System or reusable bets are irrelevant to meeting the minimum wagering requirements for the bonus.

17. Only one betting selection per sports event / game is relevant to the minimum sales condition. If two or more bets are placed on different exits of the same sporting event, then only the use of the first placed bet slip is relevant to the minimum turnover.

18. The progress of the bonus or the terms of sales can be viewed in the user account. You can only request withdrawal account amounts that are not blocked.

19. If the user receives a Welcome Bonus for the first deposit, a payout will only be possible after fulfillment of the Terms of Sale according to the Terms and Conditions of the Bonus.

20. Any attempt or execution of any User, whether successful or not, to use an arbitrage model or any other pattern and methodology that guarantees a prize, shall be deemed abuse and shall be assessed in accordance with Tipbet's Terms and Conditions.

21. If any of these conditions are not met, Tipbet reserves the right to withhold or remove the "Spring Awakening at Tipbet" casino promotion and any winnings earned with the bonus.

22. The bonus is limited to an account, person, family, household or computer. If you suspect that you have multiple accounts, Tipbet reserves the right to remove any bonuses and winnings.

23. Tipbet reserves the right to make any changes to the terms and conditions of any action at its sole discretion or to withdraw the promotion without prior notice. It is up to the user to inform himself about the latest version, which can be found on the website.

24. In addition to the terms and conditions set forth herein, the General Bonus Terms and Conditions and Tipbet's Terms & Conditions apply.

25. The terms and conditions of this bonus promotion have been written in English. In case of a dispute regarding a translation, only the English version is relevant for the clarification of interpretation questions.

 

[pinnit2015]

1 hour ago, Afi4wins said:

I was speaking and commenting on my own experiences before...in a similar situation, whereby the casino removed my extra winnings and paid me only the allowed winnings amount from the bonus. The fact is that only a very few casinos do state that any bonus wagering must be completed and any winnings be withdrawn first (I can't remember which casino had this in their T&C), before making a new deposit to play, otherwise all further winnings would be tied to the original bonus max win limit. Alternatively, the unfinished bonus wagering must be forfeited or cancelled, which can be done in the account section, or request it to be cleared via Live Chat.

Although most casinos do not specifically have this clause in their T&C, the casino support team / Live Chat host would always say the same thing when asked.

For me personally, after twice of that same incident (if I'm not mistaken), at different casinos, I now always make sure that any unfinished bonus/free spins balance are cancelled or forfeited, and that my account would show 'no active bonus' status.

And herein is the problem - yourself and myself and many others would know this but many others, particularly those who don't play as much as us , wouldn't know to do this 'just to be safe' (i remember now that you mention it a casino saying this myself - can't remember who). You're going down a dark hole when there are 'informal' and 'known to most gamblers', unwritten rules. Just my view: he's not broken any terms, perhaps a bit of naivety though

Bit of common sense here as well: if the OP played slots, for example and used some of that 19 odd quid (say he deposited 100 and bet 219) then he's clearly received an advantage and, quite rightly, any winnings would be voided (i don't think he did this).

Even when i have 1p bonus in my account i go to Book of Dead - to remove the confusion, like you've said. 

Personally, all things being equal, i think its wrong. Coupled with there being no condition for the OP to do this in the casino's own terms (which we as players have flung in our faces many a time) and the fact that they took the deposit and he received no advantage with that 19 quid, i think it's...er, wrong. 

As the OP has said, if they want players to do this then 1. remove the 19 quid or whatever it was when wagering was met or, and here's an idea 2. Make it clear he must withdraw it. Which they haven't.

PS. I emailed, whom i regard to be a very reputable casino and they said I would be paid if it happened to me - the only caveat they said was they' recommend' withdrawing to avoid any confusion - which ties in to what i said about confusing the system. It probably can't distinguish. 

Regardless of the outcome, its a lesson to anyone - remove any ambiguity that gives a casino to refuse your withdrawal (kinda what Afi has said)

 

 

Finding myself siding with players these days - must be getting mellow in my old age. 

[Samuel R]

5 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

Nope...I do not agree with you Samuel. Supposing I gave you a Credit Note, and tell you to redeem it first to get the cash, otherwise that Credit Note is as good as useless.

the question is...why didn't you redeem that credit note first before continuing play? Yes, it is indeed an unfair ruling for us players, but as I've said before elsewhere, all casinos have only one aim for its existence...to make money...nothing else.

Exactly, I agree with you. But that was not the case here. As stated above, there is nothing informing to do this or forcing this:
- end rollover
- stop playing immediately
- remove the amount (100)
- wait days, weeks, to receive the money
- re-deposit
- continue playing on the site

Certainly, if there was this in terms, I would have done it, for not being stupid

 

 

3 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Can you copy and paste exactly what the terms say? (I think you ‘mocked’ up some above to show how ridiculous you thought it was etc) 

 

Yes, I done it above, in last post

 

3 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Ok - reread and had a look on the site.

From what I see there is NOTHING in their terms that states that you need to do this. So, how exactly, is a person meant to know this? By asking a magic 8 ball?  

 

 

Exactly! This is the point, the resume of all the case and my mind as honest customer who had some winnings playing for long days and losting time of your life for this, believing all are running fine as the system not done nothing of remotion or people of support team contacted me for to deal about the extra winnings. I could be gambling, winning, losing, for months and years, not knowing that when I was going to ask for some part of withdrawal value, the site would do something similar to removing just about everything. Imagine what this could cause in your life, if it happened to any of you here forum friends

 

3 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Now.... has you played a game like Castlebuilder they would likely cancel any winnings as the bonus balance helped build it up but I’ll run with the presumption that you didn’t.

 

I play there in sports betting. This is a bonus on sports section only

 

3 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

If the above is correct I’ll have to respectfully disagree with my honourable friend Afi ( see I can be nice) - there is no rule. Rather than the question of why didn’t he withdraw at that time, the other question is why should he have? - there was nothing to say he had to. Whilst this may be a ‘rule’ on some sites, it doesn’t look like it’s one here. 

I can understand how doing this may confuse a system - but that in itself doesn’t warrant taking that deposit with no service in return. And even more so if players haven’t been warned about it.

Exactly again! This is the point, the resume of all the case and my mind!

 

[Samuel R]

1 hour ago, ValDes said:

I believe the essence of the issue is hidden somewhere within the specific terms associated with the bonus taken by OP. Their general bonus&casino terms might be saying nothing about max cashout restrictions on free spins/free cash bonuses (as we are used to see in most online casinos) but it doesn't mean the specific promo goes with such limitation. 

 

The terms and conditions are above. In no time is spoken to stop playing after the rollover, withdraw the balance of 100.00, wait days or weeks to receive (depending on the method used), re-deposit and then return to play

The most important terms:

"7. If another bonus code has been used previously, this bonus will no longer be available."

I did not fail this rule.

"8. The maximum profit that can be made with the bonus is € 100."

The such limitation imposed, for the BONUS. That is: the profit obtained using the BONUS. As soon as the rollover was fulfilled, it was no longer a bonus and became real money, mixing with deposits, new bonuses, new rollovers, all also completed later

And again, under the terms does not quote the obligation to stop playing, withdraw the 100.00, expect to receive for days or weeks, and return to play.

A simple programming system, a simple script, would have avoided this whole situation: an algorithm that, after rollover completed, all surplus at 100 would be removed. But, there does not seem to be this ... A way to harm users in the future, surely I only see this explanation for this

"10. Any amounts can not be transferred to another Tipbet product wallet if the wagering requirements for the bonus have not been fully met or completed."

One more sign that the person is not required to withdraw the value immediately after the rollover made. At the moment this term informs that the person can only transfer the balance to another section of the site, to play in another section, such as a casino for example, is proving that the person can continue playing with that balance, which is now no longer a bonus and it turned out to be real money when the rollover was met. This is obvious!

"13. The bonus can not be combined with other bonus codes."

Yes, exactly. On every site, you can only have 1 bonus in progress. You can never have 2 simultaneous bonuses. One needs to finish one's rollover, before starting the other. And that's what I did exactly

[Samuel R]

"Any amounts can not be transferred to another Tipbet product wallet if the wagering requirements for the bonus have not been fully met or completed."

By saying that with this bonus, any value can only be transferred to be used in other sections of the site, only when the rollover is met, then clearly the site is showing that there is no obligation to stop playing, expect to receive after days or weeks (depending on the method used), re-deposit and start playing again

This would close the question, or not? Any child with a minimum of logical reasoning would understand the possibility, at the user's desire, to continue playing on the site without having to withdraw, being able to make deposits and earn new bonuses (as in my case) before trying to withdraw something. No one, except Tipbet employees, sees under these terms and conditions any obligation to stop playing and withdraw, not even something ambiguous

 

 

 

Based on this, and on all the other arguments quoted and discussed in detail here in the topic, I ask:

Would I now have the right to have my case exposed in the COMPLAINTS DISPUTES AGAINST TIPBET section of AskGamblers here?

Please, I need this so that they come to us, respond publicly, for I am absolutely sure that I have argument to break any arguments they may say to justify this injustice done

This is because I am right in the case and I want to discuss, based on facts and logical evidence, civilly, in order to solve this question and have my 462.00 returned to my account and continue playing there for long years since it was the bookmaker who I chose to play in sports and casino

 

 

 

[Afi4wins]

Well Samuel, I am not against you, nor am I for the casino...but I was simply highlighting the ambiguities of many casino rules and terms, which some casinos are compassionate enough to let go, whilst some would stick on to it like a blardy leech!

If Tipbet's management is compassionate enough, they should return back what's due to you...I wish the casino's rep is reading all these comments... 

[pinnit2015]

The irony isn't lost on me: a Casino telling you to withdraw! How many times do you hear that

[Samuel R]

2 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

The irony isn't Lost on me: a Casino telling you to withdraw! How many times do you hear that

Really, it's an irony. Every site would like users not to withdraw money from their accounts, continue to play

Except, obviously, those who earn millions and millions (depending on the site, obviously), for not liking non-recreational users. Which is not my case, because the amount won is small

Wanting to claim that I should have withdrawn the amount, expected to receive, deposited back, just so I can return to play / win / lose, comes to sounds like madness

It is like believing that the user is dumb and will accept it passively, without exposing to the world

 

[Samuel R]

12 minutes ago, Afi4wins said:

Well Samuel, I am not against you, nor am I for the casino...but I was simply highlighting the ambiguities of many casino rules and terms, which some casinos are compassionate enough to Let go, whilst some would stick on to it like a blardy leech!

If Tipbet's management is compassionate enough, they should return back what's due to you...I wish the casino's rep is reading all these comments...  

Yes, you are right indeed. Many ambiguities exist in terms and conditions of websites, but in this case here, no. Everything is very clear on the terms, and I faithfully followed them all, one by one. If there was something at least a little doubtful or ambiguous, about the obligation to stop playing and withdraw the amount, surely I would have followed, just like you and most of us here from the forum

And also, I thank you and all the colleagues who have posted a message or opinion here on this case. We are here for this, to discuss point by point and in detail anything that might give reason to one side or the other. I hope, yes, and I still believe this, that someone from Tipbet will see this topic and rethink about what they did to me, returning the 462.00 that was withdrawn, so that I continue to play on the site for many years. As soon as this happens, I will certainly notify everyone, here updating the topic. For this, I hope the help of the AskGamblers team, to make my dispute complaint for the appropriate section here of the site, to wait for Tipbet's staff to come and discuss the matter with me over there. I am only defending what is mine, what I honestly won, and that was removed for reasons that do not exist to the terms and conditions

 

[ValDes]

Well, prefer to be brief and hopefully meaningful... 

Once there is clearly stated that your bonus is having max cashout restrictions /and that's exactly the case with the discussed issue/ and considering the fact your winnings or part of it have been derived while playing with that bonus you are entitled for a max of 100. Ambiguous or not, this is how it is and 99 out 100 online gamblers would tell you that. 

Please make sure to forward any of your future claims to the relevant regulatory body directly. In this case that would be MGA - https://www.mga.org.mt/support/online-gaming-support/

Good luck.  

[Samuel R]

ValDes, I thought that AskGamblers existed to facilitate public contact between the player and the company by opening a public dispute complaint in due course

Obviously, I am not asking here for the site obligation to change your mind and return my money after the dispute. What I want is just the opportunity to publicly dialogue with the Tipbet in a space in the disputes section. Regardless of the effect and end result of this, whether in my favor or not. I want to discuss, with arguments, with someone from this company. I want them to try to win my arguments, as I want to break their arguments. Certainly, I seek help from AskGamblers and not from MGA

 

 

Unfortunately, not everyone has the same knowledge and deduction as you, or intelligence, experience, guessing hidden terms, reading the mind of those who work at Tipbet

In my humble opinions, the websites have pages of terms and conditions, immense, precisely for this reason, to avoid doubts, ambiguities etc. I chose to follow exactly what I said in terms and conditions, point to point. I am not a magician to follow hidden or omitted terms, or to guess what the brilliant minds of Tipbet think

 

"Any amounts can not be transferred to another Tipbet product wallet if the wagering requirements for the bonus have not been fully met or completed."

This term breaks whatever argument you or Tipbet might say. Clearly, it is evidence that, after rollover requirements were completed, the person could use the value in other things, without withdrawing, making deposits, participating in other future promotions etc.