Thunderkick Games

[luckyloser]

So since there is a slot developer here on the forum now do you mind if i ask some questions on how slots work? Thunderkick?

[ValDes]

So since there is a slot developer here on the forum now do you mind if i ask some questions on how slots work? Thunderkick?

 

Great idea! Sincerely hope the Thunderkick rep here would agree to shed some light. 

 

I could also join with a couple of questions...

[Thunderkick]

So since there is a slot developer here on the forum now do you mind if i ask some questions on how slots work? Thunderkick?

It really depends on the question. We do have extensive knowledge about how slots work (both our own and those of other providers) but you must understand that the inner workings of slot machines are industry secrets; some of which are protected by patents, non-disclosure-agreements and just good taste. Also, we feel that in order to enjoy a slot you must keep some of the mystery intact because otherwise you will just start seeing numbers and algorithms and not truly appreciate the slots for what they really are: a source for entertainment.

 

So feel free to ask but don't judge us to harshly if decline to answer. Cheers from Thunderkick!

[Th3 Runn3R]

A wise man told me once, playing a slot machine has 75% chance of losing and 25% chance of winning. That's the main reason why every casino has a lot of slot machines. I don't believe in RNG, your balance is already determinate when you pushed the spin button. Without the slot machines the casinos would never make big profits.

[luckyloser]

A wise man told me once, playing a slot machine has 75% chance of losing and 25% chance of winning. That's the main reason why every casino has a lot of slot machines. I don't believe in RNG, your balance is already determinate when you pushed the spin button. Without the slot machines the casinos would never make big profits.

Yes this is what i have pondered upon aswell. That the "randomness" is just a fairy tale.

 

It really depends on the question. We do have extensive knowledge about how slots work (both our own and those of other providers) but you must understand that the inner workings of slot machines are industry secrets; some of which are protected by patents, non-disclosure-agreements and just good taste. Also, we feel that in order to enjoy a slot you must keep some of the mystery intact because otherwise you will just start seeing numbers and algorithms and not truly appreciate the slots for what they really are: a source for entertainment.

 

So feel free to ask but don't judge us to harshly if decline to answer. Cheers from Thunderkick!

And this reply makes me think its not random even more. The secrecy of the casino industry, and everyones no comment policy makes me wonder if its not at all as it is presented to be.

 

A couple of questions then:

 

1. When playing at a casino it seams when your hot, your hot, and when your cold, your cold. Fore example if you are winning it does not matter what game you play and vice versa. As the above user stated are the games IP/account based? Does it really matter what game you play or is the outcome already decided when you make the deposit?

 

2. If we assume slots are totally random. Are bonus rounds pre determined?

 

3. Does previous play affect future play? Seams everytime someone cashed out big all games go dead across all casinos.

 

4. If its random does it work like a lottery ticket? Are we just drawing a prize when hitting spin. And do wins cycle, as in if someone wins the jackpot it will be unavalible until certain cominations are made?

 

5. Does slots cycle? I have heard somewhere before the RNG is prepped with a seed number and if someone know this number they can predict the outcome of the slot. That would imply its not random in the true sence but that it has a pattern to it thats pseudorandom. We know that NetEnt uses a pseudo random number generator. 

 

I find it hard to belive slots are just a RNG.. Might be random who wins or not but its pretty obvious form clear patterns in allot of games that it is programmed in one way or another to give out certian winning/losing streaks. And why no win after a big win? Why always stone cold. If it was random it should be anything in between aswell.

[Thunderkick]

Ok, here goes:

1. When playing at a casino it seams when your hot, your hot, and when your cold, your cold. Fore example if you are winning it does not matter what game you play and vice versa. As the above user stated are the games IP/account based? Does it really matter what game you play or is the outcome already decided when you make the deposit?

No, it doesn't matter. Any licensed casino (like those under LGA) and provider must adhere to strict rules regarding how the slot is constructed. No single player may be favored by the game unless the game rules stipulates how and why such favoritism exists. No Thunderkick game to date has any such rules.

 

2. If we assume slots are totally random. Are bonus rounds pre determined?

You mean the amount won in them? If so, then no. The structure of the reels creates a probability table which together with the pay table and pay lines creates the variance. We have never heard of any slot that uses pre-determined bonus game outcomes unless if they have fixed wins and even in those there is usually player choice that affect the final outcome. So again, no.

 

3. Does previous play affect future play? Seams everytime someone cashed out big all games go dead across all casinos.

The human mind plays tricks on us all.

 

4. If its random does it work like a lottery ticket? Are we just drawing a prize when hitting spin. And do wins cycle, as in if someone wins the jackpot it will be unavalible until certain cominations are made?

It is completely random. It is the combination of the structure of the reels, the features, the pay table and the number of pay lines that creates what can be considered the slot's mathematical profile and which lays the foundation for the game. On that, the developer puts graphics and sounds to make the game feel and look nice. So it is quite a bit more complicated than a lottery ticket. And wins do not not cycle.

 

5. Does slots cycle? I have heard somewhere before the RNG is prepped with a seed number and if someone know this number they can predict the outcome of the slot. That would imply its not random in the true sence but that it has a pattern to it thats pseudorandom. We know that NetEnt uses a pseudo random number generator. 

The RNG is pseudo-random (as we don't have quantum computers yet) but it has a huge cycle (longer than the lifetime of the known universe) so in practice it doesn't cycle. The RNG must be certified by a third party entity approved by the licencing authority.

 

I find it hard to belive slots are just a RNG.. Might be random who wins or not but its pretty obvious form clear patterns in allot of games that it is programmed in one way or another to give out certian winning/losing streaks. And why no win after a big win? Why always stone cold. If it was random it should be anything in between aswell.

Believe it! You never had two big wins after each other? Since big wins are rare, multiple big wins in short succession is extremely rare. Humans are good at pattern finding (even when there are no patterns to find), but not very good at understanding statistics.

In conclusion, it is advisable to play only at accredited casinos that operate under a license (LGA, Alderney, AAMS etc).

[Thunderkick]

Please note that we at Thunderkick are trying hard to be available to the players and help them as well as learning about what makes you tick. Our primary focus however is making games so please understand if we decline from answering or if we say that "that is enough questions for now lads".

[ValDes]

I would like to thank personally to the Thunderkick rep for trying to shed some inner light upon the slot's way of working!

 

I have a few questions too, although considering their nature I could understand  if the answer is "that is enough questions for now lads".

 

And so, my questions is actually only one. but it contains lots of smaller ones. How RNG and slot's TRTP affects player after all? I mean we all know what these two acronyms stands for, we know what they mean in reality and that they are used when building casino games, but none of us knows how exactly... Let's take Birds On a Wire as an example. The game's advertised TRTP is 97.2%, but what does it mean in reality? Is this TRTP being applied on an individual basis or upon the playing rounds coming from all players, playing in all casinos, offering this particular game? Over how many rounds is this TRTP expected to reach 97.2%? 1 million spins, 10 millions, 100 millions? 

[Thunderkick]

I would like to thank personally to the Thunderkick rep for trying to shed some inner light upon the slot's way of working!

 

I have a few questions too, although considering their nature I could understand  if the answer is "that is enough questions for now lads".

 

And so, my questions is actually only one. but it contains lots of smaller ones. How RNG and slot's TRTP affects player after all? I mean we all know what these two acronyms stands for, we know what they mean in reality and that they are used when building casino games, but none of us knows how exactly... Let's take Birds On a Wire as an example. The game's advertised TRTP is 97.2%, but what does it mean in reality? Is this TRTP being applied on an individual basis or upon the playing rounds coming from all players, playing in all casinos, offering this particular game? Over how many rounds is this TRTP expected to reach 97.2%? 1 million spins, 10 millions, 100 millions? 

 

Ahem "that is enough questions for now lads"!

 

No, just kidding. Funny how you ask 5 questions in 1! Birds On A Wire has a Theoretical Return To Player (TRTP) of 97.2% which means that over time, if you were to add all the bets for all the players into one big bet stack and all the winnings for all those players into one big win stack and then you measure their height, the height of the win stack would be 97.2% of the height of the bet stack. Hopefully that clears it up.

 

Now it is enough questions for a while *puh, this was hard work; especially for a Saturday*

[ValDes]

Ahem "that is enough questions for now lads"!

 

No, just kidding. Funny how you ask 5 questions in 1! Birds On A Wire has a Theoretical Return To Player (TRTP) of 97.2% which means that over time, if you were to add all the bets for all the players into one big bet stack and all the winnings for all those players into one big win stack and then you measure their height, the height of the win stack would be 97.2% of the height of the bet stack. Hopefully that clears it up.

 

Now it is enough questions for a while *puh, this was hard work; especially for a Saturday*

 

Fair enough! Thanks for clarification, mate.

 

I was 99% sure about the answer, but couldn't resist the temptation to ask.

[Afi4wins]

Ahem "that is enough questions for now lads"!

 

No, just kidding. Funny how you ask 5 questions in 1! Birds On A Wire has a Theoretical Return To Player (TRTP) of 97.2% which means that over time, if you were to add all the bets for all the players into one big bet stack and all the winnings for all those players into one big win stack and then you measure their height, the height of the win stack would be 97.2% of the height of the bet stack. Hopefully that clears it up.

 

Now it is enough questions for a while *puh, this was hard work; especially for a Saturday*

 

Well...like they say, Thunderkick (can we use your name instead next time pleeeease?  )...no pain no gain...for us players as well as for you too.

 

Nobody said it was going to be easy peasy here for you at Askgamblers! Hahahaha. 

[Thunderkick]

Fair enough! Thanks for clarification, mate.

 

I was 99% sure about the answer, but couldn't resist the temptation to ask.

Now that you know, does it feel better or worse? Ignorance can be bliss

 

And to Afi I say: My name is Kick, Thunder Kick.

[Afi4wins]

And to Afi I say: My name is Kick, Thunder Kick.

 

 

Muahahahahaha....        

[ValDes]

Now that you know, does it feel better or worse? Ignorance can be bliss

...

 

Every time an industry guy reveals a small piece of the puzzle called online gambling, I'm feeling better. On the other hand, I'm still wondering how it is even possible for the giants in this industry to keep such information secret from their players?! I mean, the mighty Microgaming doesn't even announce the (T)RTP of its games, let alone explaining in an easy and understandable way what is actually happening behind the curtains every time the Spin button is pressed! After the last couple of years of being both an industry guy and an online gambler, I'm still confused and frustrated by the lack of even basic information concerning the way that most gambling software actually operates....

 

Anyways, thank you for sharing with us as much as you can. I think I've changed my mind about Thunderkick games and would most probably give them one more chance. ONLY because of you, mate.

[Afi4wins]

Heeeey...that's an encouraging bit of news to hear mate! Good...good...very good! 

And welcome back to Thunderkick fan club...when you do come back, that is. 

 

Needless to say...Thunderkick is now at par with my favourite Playtech...in as much as 'I cannot do without them!!!"

 

Okay...okay...not all of their games of course, just 2 of each...2 Playtech games...2 Thunderkick games...

These games keep my bankroll going and keep me playing...

[valentin68]

I am so glad that i found this thread. Except Bork the Berzeker which is very cruel, I love all other Thunderkick slots. I like the fact that each is unique in its own way. I read today all the posts from this thread and learned from the Thunderlink representative answers. I just want to say this: keep up with the good work, your slots are very good in my opinion.

[Luciana]

Anyways, thank you for sharing with us as much as you can. I think I've changed my mind about Thunderkick games and would most probably give them one more chance. ONLY because of you, mate.

 

So, Afi's and mine recommendations for this software, weren't enough?

[ValDes]

So, Afi's and mine recommendations for this software, weren't enough?

 

We are trying to make a serious discussion here, dear. Which means you are most welcome to share your personal experience with Thunderkick games and of course, your perspective when it comes to the very important question of whether gambling software companies are opened and transparent enough. 

[Luciana]

Well I started this thread and I'm it's owner

And I started it because I like those games and those are one of the favourites to Afi. I'm just asking if our praisers weren't enough to motivate you to try those games?

I already did in Thrills

You can open a new thread about software transparency, anytime

[ValDes]

Alright, whatever...

[Afi4wins]

Hmmmm...reminds me of my married days...hahahaha. 

[Luciana]

Guru is having a bad day and I'm getting on his nerves...ok, whatever

[Thunderkick]

Ladies and gentlemen, please! Let us get back on track. One way of perhaps refocus is by me announcing that Thunderkick's latest game is now only days away from release! Get ready for Arcader!

[ValDes]

Ladies and gentlemen, please! Let us get back on track. One way of perhaps refocus is by me announcing that Thunderkick's latest game is now only days away from release! Get ready for Arcader!

 

Glad to hear Thunderkick is preparing the launch of a new slot for Christmas! Anything you could reveal in advance? I'm sure Afi's gonna be  happy to be one of the first to know as one of your most dedicated fans.

[Afi4wins]

Glad to hear Thunderkick is preparing the launch of a new slot for Christmas! Anything you could reveal in advance? I'm sure Afi's gonna be  happy to be one of the first to know as one of your most dedicated fans.

 

Yep! The Guru always know his pupils best!

 

'Arcader' sounds like an arcade action game...let's hope it's a good one this time. Better than Flux I hope. Flux doesn't attract me, just as Starburst doesn't either.