Playtech software not all what it seems to be

[StevoLFC]

Played on many roulette table and online casinos and i know roulette inside out.

Now the last 18 monthsi have  been playing quantum live roulette but started to notice something very strange .

Ok playtech here seems like a honest company but i will proof you wrong.

Ok let me show you why

We bet the multipliers are chosen and placed by the software, the RNG then creates a number and the ball lands on that number. Now any moderater would test this and see that it seems random and statistically that would be correct.

The trick no one catches on too is the multipliers. Why because when we bet the software scans the roulette table yes thats right it scans the  table,  this information is then passed onto the  multipliers that are chosen based on bets placed. Cant have a multi hitting 10 to 20 tines on the run can they. The software number generator which is rule based then chooses a number from a pool of numbers and the next in sequence number is generated but one rule is the actual multipliers placement which is taken into account 

Proof i tested this theory on over 50 to 100   spins  twices recently when not many players whete playing as numbers  have dwindled lately.

I bet a chip on every number on bottom and middle row sometimes top and bottom etc, the multipliers woukd actually by pass the 2 rows 75% !to 85% of the time missing my numbers placed. Of course othe players bets would be counted for but very few were actually betting on my testing    The way the multipliers actually missed my number  was not through bad luck but by there software scanning board as stated its there fail safe to stop multipliers landing so often on numbers heavily betted on. The fact is also 40 to 50% time the number the ball landed on was actually next o a multiplier, a coincidence,  sorry no! The actuall algorithm knows multipliers placement and since the multipliers have scanned the table then its so obvious based on my findings the game does actually know chip placement. Now unless you play this game constantly and bet a lot it would be  very hard to notice and i bet my life on it no testing would actually see this unless the moderator played  constantly.

 Its a blantant dirty trick which i guarentee playtech use on there quantum game. Proof me wrong please because i guarentee i can proof my case

This should be totally unacceptable and is basically cheating customers. I did contact the  uk gambling commision  but unless you hav the actuall hard evidence and possibly the software code they dont care. Also i dont trust the uk gambling commision and my case was provem  when a investigation was carried out last year by certain members of parliament who found the uk gambling commision was toothless and basically a absolute shambles who needed a total reform. 

Stephen Tague 

[ValDes]

Hey there @StevoLFC and welcome to the AskGamblers Forum.  

I'd rather avoid commenting your findings and suspicions in details, but rather remind you that the Playtech gambling software is actually duly tested, approved and licensed by the UKGC itself. All licensing info here - https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/public-register/business/detail/38516

Meaning, if you do believe something is not quite okay with their Roulette game/s, forwarding the matter to the UKGC directly is the best thing to do as they are the only authority out there who's actually capable to conduct an adequate investigation on the matter and come up with justified results and opinion. 

Good luck and keep us posted. 

[xamenos]

There is so much to consider about the online games.

What about that,you said that you choose a period which not many players were active but at that moment we can not know if there are 30 real players or just you agaist 29 fake accounts operated under the provider.

So you think that your one euro bet is not something that should be calculated from the system as dangerous but in that moment the system do anything it can to make you loose.

The system has access to your account balance,your pattern of betting history,its easy to cancel a bet at any time and it always happen to be a winning bet.

I believe its true the casino tell you what is forbidden to do because they do it better .

[StevoLFC]

Hello
I have 20 years casino experience i played on a lot of live and online tables. i also do computer science and know a lot about algorithms.
2 years ago i started playing playtech quantum roulette.  At first seened fun and a lot ot people whete playing. Now u say  its playtech its moderated and checked for any inconsistency in the random number generator. Ok.  
Well after a year of playing i started to notice something was not right especially when not many players where online.  When i put a lot of chips down the multipliers woukd consistently miss my chips . Only occasionally hitting my numbers also the ball would constantly land next to a multiplier A coincidence sorry no, i tested this over 100 spins twice with shocking results if i bet 80% of the table and this was when very few players were actually playing as numbers have dwindled recently a lot. The multipliers would actually miss my numbers chosen 80% of the time, bad luck sorry no it happens all the time The ball woukd aslo land next to a multiplier 50% of the time. This shows you that after i bet the table is scanned to place the multipliers and this information is relayed to the random number generator. The random number  generator then chooses a number based on rules and one of these rules is the placement of the multipliers. This is playtechs fail safe as you dont want the ball landing on the multipliers so often. The RNG then selects a few numbers and the final number is chosen based on multipliers placement

This basically is breaking all the rules of a fair random game. It proves the software is scanning the table and using this information for the RNG final number.
Lately in the lobby you get hundreds of people complaining throughout the week about the fairness of the game . I now totally understand lately and no wonder why the software actualy does know where bets are .placed I always wondete4d why  it was so hard to win and get a few numbers on the run unlike other roulette tables.
This has to stop i will aslo evevually submit my evidence to uk gambling commision and other uk gambling bodies and local government mp
But personally dont the uk gambling commision as they have been provem by a government investigation to be toothless in need of a reform. No doubt playtechs mobey helps with any decisions made against them.
Ok its Playtech so what! they have always been dishonest and got away with murder. They have been in coury numerous occasions and found guilty but sill they have a license its shocking but money talks does it not. 

[cocopop3011]

Hi and welcome to the forum. 

I've always been a Playtech fan if I'm honest but I've never played their table games.  Over the years we've had lots of similar topics about the fairness in these kind of games (Not Playtech but other providers) but sure if you manage to collate the proof please feel free to submit screenshots so we can take a look and offer some advice. 

[Afi4wins]

In all honesty, I'm in the opinion that NO provider is being totally fair nowadays!!!

Each provider has an ace up their sleeve...all their games have been designed to give extra advantage to them, whether table games or slots. The only difference is in the fairness...some are more fair, but most are simply guzzlers.

Where slots are concerned, I still prefer to play my old Playtech favourite games, simply because they still play and pay much better than other provider's games...and their TRTPs have remained the same until now, from decades ago...no lowering of TRTPs, but other controlling mechanisms are definitely in play! 

[ValDes]

@StevoLFC, 

Have just merged your topics, no need to post the same stuff all over the forum.  

In the meantime, curious to know if you followed my advice and forwarded the matter in front of the UKGC who actually granted Playtech's operating license in UK & ROI and therefore, responsible for making sure their software is fair.  

[StevoLFC]

Also only the other day.and i have hard evidence with screenshots  of a admin blantantly telling lies to the online customers on the screen chat window. Many players were complaining in the lobby about playtech  and rigged numbers. The admin then stated the numbers are totally random and the roulette table was manually spun by the host. A total false accusation and a blatant lie. I have screenshot proving this as the table is mechanical and no the host does bot spin the wheel.

For me personally its shocking they lie to customers.

[ValDes]

I wouldn't actually use the word 'lie' without being able to prove it 100%. Something which you failed to do big time so far... 

In other words, please, either share some really meaningful facts and proofs OR make sure to use the proper tone of voice. 

Thanks. 

PS. Still curious if you forwarded any of your 'findings' to the UKGC directly. 

[StevoLFC]

On 9/29/2021 at 3:32 PM, ValDes said:

Hey there @StevoLFC and welcome to the AskGamblers Forum.  

I'd rather avoid commenting your findings and suspicions in details, but rather remind you that the Playtech gambling software is actually duly tested, approved and licensed by the UKGC itself. All licensing info here - https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/public-register/business/detail/38516

Meaning, if you do believe something is not quite okay with their Roulette game/s, forwarding the matter to the UKGC directly is the best thing to do as they are the only authority out there who's actually capable to conduct an adequate investigation on the matter and come up with justified results and opinion. 

Good luck and keep us posted. 

Hello and tthx

Sorry the uk gambling commision and moderators are a total joke even the uk members of parliament who carried out a full investigation into the gambling commision and moderators called them  toothless and  basically a joke who are in need of a total reform.

The moderators are just pathetic they just test the outcome results over a %   they dont have access to code or even get feedback from experience  players. They just are a worthless bunch of people who hav no idea even if games where rigged. 

Thx 

 

[StevoLFC]

On 10/4/2021 at 7:59 PM, ValDes said:

I wouldn't actually use the word 'lie' without being able to prove it 100%. Something which you failed to do big time so far... 

In other words, please, either share some really meaningful facts and proofs OR make sure to use the proper tone of voice. 

Thanks. 

PS. Still curious if you forwarded any of your 'findings' to the UKGC directly. 

Excusec me but i have 100% hard evidence  i have forwarded it to my local government mp and the uk gambling commision and others. I have screenshots proving my evidence so if u want me to send you a cooy leave your  email adress here and please i dont lie . So when you do see my evidence maybe u can apilogise . Thx Steve 

 

[StevoLFC]

Hello

Just posting some evidence of the lies that playtec tell customers. 

As u can see the admin was telling customers in quantum live roulette that the wheel is spun manually by the host when infact its electronic and spun by a motor. So many people where complaining of the game being rigged and  they  were makeing up lame excuses. 

 Many people realise now its like a slot machine and  just pays out at certain times when its profit threshold is met.

I  already have facts and proof they also post false mames and winnings on leaderboard. 

Also i know 100%  that the table is scanned after bets to place multies. . Now this info is deffo relayed to the rng algorithm because the ball lands next to multis 40%  of the tine . How do i know this with testing with a friend over 500 spins . This was done when very few players wete actually online playing as numbers are dwindling as more people realise its such a manipulated game.

Surely if playtech tell customers lies its breaking UK gaming laws 

Thx

Stephen  Tague 

 

Step

[cocopop3011]

You'll need to help me out here because I haven't played live games before, but I thought you could actually see the dealer? So, wouldn't you see if they were spinning th wheel or not?

[StevoLFC]

22 hours ago, cocopop3011 said:

Hello

Please read the screenshots  onecadmin states the game is manually spun which i guarenree its not with 2 years experience on quantum and if u want prove watch youtiube video aand u see it is not manual.  Another admin in the other screenshot proves this by saying itsc not its electronic and spun independentaly with no interaction ftom host  This is correct they only stated this when people complained so at first was a blantant lie with no apology from playtech.   

You'll need to help me out here because I haven't played live games before, but I thought you could actually see the dealer? So, wouldn't you see if they were spinning th wheel or not?

 

[Afi4wins]

53 minutes ago, StevoLFC said:

 

Wait a minute SteveoLFC...are you saying that the live dealers are Playtech staff...not the casino's? It is usually the other way around! And those 'lies' that the host said was probably some stupid error from him/her, not from Playtech?...just my thoughts.

[StevoLFC]

No it was no error and why honestly do u stick up for playtech.  If it was error then  playtech  should apologise but  norhing. I told the admin he or she was wrong yet do they apologise or even  explain themselves. The playtech manager even came online because a very lot of people where complaining about the game. I honestly dont get  it.

 

[cocopop3011]

4 hours ago, StevoLFC said:

No it was no error and why honestly do u stick up for Playtech.  If it was error then  playtech  should apologise but  norhing. I told the admin he or she was wrong yet do they apologise or wven explain themselves. The playtech manager even came online because a very lot of people where complaining about the game. I honestly dont get  it.

 

And what did the manager say?  Sorry, I don't recall if you've mentioned but have you taken this issue up with them or any further? I mean, if you strongly agree this to be the case?

[Flatzem]

6 hours ago, StevoLFC said:

No it was no error and why honestly do u stick up for Playtech.  If it was error then  playtech  should apologise but  norhing. I told the admin he or she was wrong yet do they apologise or wven explain themselves. The playtech manager even came online because a very lot of people where complaining about the game. I honestly dont get  it.

 

cause he is a Playtech Master

[cocopop3011]

2 hours ago, Flatzem said:

cause he is a Playtech Master

Full stop, the end.

[pinnit2015]

Play-Take, for a reason. No better/worse than any other provider - the live dealers are usually the software supplier and heard a few of them put their feet in their mouths, not just them, but evo etc: can't really use it as an ultimate stick to beat a whole company round the head with right enough. 

[StevoLFC]

I have contacted playtech.  No answer on the matter even when you try and explain to to admin they ignore you with there arrogance. I have submitted it to UK  gambling commision and other authorities.  Playtech get away with murder lets face it with absolutely bad regulatiors passing there software.  Its so  manipulated and its gotten so bad lately with so many numbers loosing interest in there online games. Even quantum roulette the numbers have at least halved lately because of hugh production studi  costs,  staff overheads they have  manipulate there software to take even more. If u dont think they use manipulated software then you are just very unintelligent. 

[ValDes]

Ok, cool. Would be awesome if you keep the whole forum community posted regarding the course of the investigation you initiated. 

[ValDes]

Both topics created by the same OP and dedicated to the same matter are now merged. (for those wondering why some of the posts and replies don't quite match.  )

[pinnit2015]

And the unintelligent readers, like myself, will eagerly await to hear the results in the latest casino news. 

[Fiekie247]

4 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

And the unintelligent readers, like myself, will eagerly await to hear the results in the latest casino news. 

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