Source of Income at Betsson

[winalot007]

1 hour ago, pinnit2015 said:

Keep in mind that whilst winning at a casino shouldn't affect your benefits, should it flag up to the DWP then they may start to scrutinise it as 'regular income'  - there was a court case years again about whether it constituted capital, income or earnings but i can't remember the details. 

Whilst playing slots may not impact this much given their nature, if you engage in matched betting (using exchanges) I imagine there would be a bigger risk. 

If you are above 6k in savings you get your benefits taken off you... and if yeah, if you hada regular income from gambling you would too. I unfortunately have neither right now... I am going to play a little next payday though see if I get lucky!

 

[winalot007]

1 hour ago, pinnit2015 said:

Same indicator as if they notice a pattern of reversing and losing withdrawals (though that's somewhat of a cheek given that casino's allow you to), or failed deposits etc: they've been told to use all that info to make an assessment if there is a risk of a gambling issue. 

I ask from time to time.. I think I will ask for a match bonus on my next deposit. 

[Fiekie247]

42 minutes ago, winalot007 said:

I ask from time to time.. I think I will ask for a match bonus on my next deposit. 

Hi @winalot007

I would recommend you play without a bonus. Wagering these days are ridiculous and I firmly believe with the betsson group the wagering is applied on the bonus amount only. I think is x40 or x 20. I would suggest you ask them for some free spins with your next deposit, as the wagering is x15 and the best thing is that their free spins winnings have no max cash out at all.

I hope you come right and get lucky. Maybe give Casino Euro a try, as I play with them as part of the Betsson group.

[pinnit2015]

As far as I remember Betsson aren’t that receptive when you ask for them. Not many casinos are these days. I probably get one offer every two weeks on some of my regular joints and even then you’re talking 50%.

In a few years or sooner I envisage them disappearing completely like Sweden.

Youre better off at somewhere like Casinocasino where you get Cashback etc that has no wagering or max cash outs IMO

[winalot007]

56 minutes ago, Fiekie247 said:

Hi @winalot007

I would recommend you play without a bonus. Wagering these days are ridiculous and I firmly believe with the Betsson group the wagering is applied on the bonus amount only. I think is x40 or x 20. I would suggest you ask them for some free spins with your next deposit, as the wagering is x15 and the best thing is that their free spins winnings have no max cash out at all.

I hope you come right and get lucky. Maybe give Casino Euro a try, as I play with them as part of the Betsson group.

Hi there, I can't actually play at Betsson until my financial life changes so I definitely wouldn't bother going with another casino in the group. I was just trying to get a goodwill bonus as I deposited so much there but no such luck.

[winalot007]

51 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

As far as I remember Betsson aren’t that receptive when you ask for them. Not many casinos are these days. I probably get one offer every two weeks on some of my regular joints and even then you’re talking 50%.

In a few years or sooner I envisage them disappearing completely like Sweden.

Youre better off at somewhere like Casinocasino where you get Cashback etc that has no wagering or max cash outs IMO

I am fully with 10Bet and Casumo for the time being. Even though I have heard 10Bet aren't the best with withdrawal times. Have you heard anything about this? 

[pinnit2015]

35 minutes ago, winalot007 said:

I am fully with 10Bet and Casumo for the time being. Even though I have heard 10Bet aren't the best with withdrawal times. Have you heard anything about this? 

Poor withdrawal times and low limits re withdrawals; wouldn’t touch 10bet; far better out there

Casumo are good but are behaving a bit dodgy with their SOW requests themselves.

Personally iv had no problems with Casumo, Redbet, Videoslots. Depends what you’re looking for; offers, withdrawal speed, slot selection; each casino has their own perks for each of these for example

[winalot007]

26 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

Poor withdrawal times and low limits re withdrawals; wouldn’t touch 10Bet; far better out there

Casumo are good but are behaving a bit dodgy with their SOW requests themselves.

Personally iv had no problems with Casumo, Redbet, Video Slots. Depends what you’re looking for; offers, withdrawal speed, slot selection; each casino has their own perks for each of these for example

I've only deposited a tenner on  Casumo and I got a  full line of explorers on Book of Dead took me up to a ton... didn't make it to a withdrawal though... I wonder if they could prevent me from withdrawing with a SOW check. IS that possible?

[pinnit2015]

19 minutes ago, winalot007 said:

I've only deposited a tenner on  Casumo and I got a  full line of explorers on Book of Dead took me up to a ton... didn't make it to a withdrawal though... I wonder if they could prevent me from withdrawing with a SOW check. IS that possible?

Jesus man you need to start to find the withdrawal button....

They’re all different; if you make 50k of deposits in a day you might get hit with one, you make 50k over two years, possibly not. What’s your gambling budget? 
 

SOW isn’t just based on deposits but how long they know you, your type of play and several other factors that may or may not push you into the high risk category

[cocopop3011]

5 hours ago, winalot007 said:

If you are above 6k in savings you get your benefits taken off you... and if yeah, if you hada regular income from gambling you would too. I unfortunately have neither right now... I am going to play a little next payday though see if I get lucky!

 

I believe its £16K not 6K. 

[winalot007]

21 hours ago, pinnit2015 said:

Jesus man you need to start to find the withdrawal button....

They’re all different; if you make 50k of deposits in a day you might get hit with one, you make 50k over two years, possibly not. What’s your gambling budget? 
 

SOW isn’t just based on deposits but how long they know you, your type of play and several other factors that may or may not push you into the high risk category

My budget is a ton a month.  Hopefully do well on Casumo... wish me luck!

[winalot007]

18 hours ago, cocopop3011 said:

I believe its £16K not 6K. 

Ah right, thought it was 6k. 

[cocopop3011]

Just now, winalot007 said:

My budget is a ton a month.  Hopefully do well on Casumo... wish me luck!

So moving forward, are you leaving Betsson? 
 

The issue is if you have another big withdrawal are you not going to be in the same position when it comes to SOW? 

[winalot007]

Just now, cocopop3011 said:

So moving forward, are you leaving Betsson? 
 

The issue is if you have another big withdrawal are you not going to be in the same position when it comes to SOW? 

I can't play at Betsson as I am not allowed due to my SOW... if I win at Casumo I will be allowed to keep my winnings just not deposit again if they do a SOW and reach the same conclusion. Or am I wrong?

[winalot007]

2 minutes ago, cocopop3011 said:

So moving forward, are you leaving Betsson? 
 

The issue is if you have another big withdrawal are you not going to be in the same position when it comes to SOW? 

I don't know how they just ignored my payout compensation!

 

[pinnit2015]

8 minutes ago, winalot007 said:

I can't play at Betsson as I am not allowed due to my SOW... if I win at Casumo I will be allowed to keep my winnings just not deposit again if they do a SOW and reach the same conclusion. Or am I wrong?

Providing you're not engaged in any illegal activities you'll always be able to keep your legitimate winnings - they can't hold your cash to ransom just cos they don't like the look of the benefits...But they do have the right to not to want to do business with you. 

Here's an example of mine:

Slotmillion - asked for SOW, deposits in 2-3 years totalling 1-2k. Mental.

Stakers - 500 quid in deposits, ish. Asked for SOW

Redbet - 40k in deposits in 1.5 years. No SOW

Casumo - 70k in 3 years. No SOW

So....depends.

I could earn 20k per month but due to credit commitments have 500 quid a month spare, which would mean my 1k per week deposits are unsustainable.

[pinnit2015]

As for compensation - if i earned 20k a year and was depositing 2k a week?

If i showed them the 20k a year but said 'My aunt gave me 800k in her will', that should cover them in terms of their AML responsibilities because they know where the money's coming from, so a comp payment should be the same: in that respect the salary (in the above example) or the benefits (in yours) becomes wholly irrelevant to an extent. 

What your're probably finding is that they've requested the SOW for AML but are now using it for RG and that's a bit of a no-no if they're processing that information.

You're maybe overthinking the SOW - if you're depositing low-ish amounts you shouldn't really get hit by it in the bulk of cases. 

[winalot007]

1 minute ago, pinnit2015 said:

As for compensation - if i earned 20k a year and was depositing 2k a week?

If i showed them the 20k a year but said 'My aunt gave me 800k in her will', that should cover them in terms of their AML responsibilities because they know where the money's coming from, so a comp payment should be the same: in that respect the salary (in the above example) or the benefits (in yours) becomes wholly irrelevant to an extent. 

What your finding is that they've requested the SOW for AML but are now using it for RG and that's a bit of a no-no if they're processing that information

That's what I thought, So how can they just ignore the compensation payment? Should i write a complaint? Is there any point in doing that?  Just to get a bonus? I'm not that interested in depositing again in Betsson but I would have got a decent bonus for all my deposits. 

[cocopop3011]

7 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

Providing you're not engaged in any illegal activities you'll always be able to keep your legitimate winnings - they can't Hold your cash to ransom just cos they don't like the look of the benefits...But they do have the right to not to want to do business with you. 

Here's an example of mine:

Slotmillion - asked for SOW, deposits in 2-3 years totalling 1-2k. Mental.

Stakers - 500 quid in deposits, ish. Asked for SOW

Redbet - 40k in deposits in 1.5 years. No SOW

Casumo - 70k in 3 years. No SOW

So....depends.

I could earn 20k per month but due to credit commitments have 500 quid a month spare, which would mean my 1k per week deposits are unsustainable.

Aha! I see! Neither me or the other half have ever been asked for SOW, guess our deposits are far to less. Not complaining. 
Also, confused myself thinking OP had been refused a withdrawal, just read through thread again . My bad. 

[pinnit2015]

Just now, winalot007 said:

That's what I thought, So how can they just ignore the compensation payment? Should i write a complaint? Is there any point in doing that?  Just to get a bonus? I'm not that interested in depositing again in Betsson but I would have got a decent bonus for all my deposits. 

They shouldn't - if you look at the SOW/SOF etc it covers things like money from inheritance/house sales etc - not just 'regular' income. 

Bit like me getting told because i earn 10k a year (for example) i can't afford 10k a month deposits and then for me to say 'But i won the Mega Moolah Jackpot'

[pinnit2015]

1 minute ago, cocopop3011 said:

Aha! I see! Neither me or the other half have ever been asked for SOW, guess our deposits are far to less. Not complaining. 

Credit checks (soft) on new sign up's are probably on the agenda 

[winalot007]

Just now, pinnit2015 said:

They shouldn't - if you look at the SOW/SOF etc it covers things like money from inheritance/house sales etc - not just 'regular' income. 

Bit like me getting told because i earn 10k a year (for example) i can't afford 10k a month deposits and then for me to say 'But i won the Mega Moolah Jackpot'

Yeah well they are ignoring it... Thing is I have no reason to make a complaint really as no  money left in account. 

[pinnit2015]

3 minutes ago, winalot007 said:

That's what I thought, So how can they just ignore the compensation payment? Should i write a complaint? Is there any point in doing that?  Just to get a bonus? I'm not that interested in depositing again in Betsson but I would have got a decent bonus for all my deposits. 

You have the right to complain but not sure what grounds you'd have tbh pal.

You could ask for clarification as to how they've processed your information - for RG or AML and, if applicable, say you supplied information for AML and they've used it for RG purposes which, strictly, may breach GDPR

[winalot007]

1 minute ago, pinnit2015 said:

You have the right to complain but not sure what grounds you'd have tbh pal.

You could ask for clarification as to how they've processed your information - for RG or AML and, if applicable, say you supplied information for AML and they've used it for RG purposes which, strictly, may breach GDPR

Ok, I will try making a complaint on here, see what the reason is for ignoring my compo. 

 

[pinnit2015]

From IPAC - as you can see, savings are part of the picture etc as well