I am finally done with slots

[pinnit2015]

Only tip for folk is after a run, and possibly losses, on high ish stakes; try and reset your brain by going back to 18c DOA spins etc for while

[blondie]

Well responding to your comment, no, I'm a lowroller and I don't raise my bets. In the rare occasions I'd play with 0.50 cent bets or if I have a massive bonus, 1.25. But then I don't enjoy it that much, it gives me more anxiety as yes, you can win more but the loss can come in quite quicker.

[Poison]

1 minute ago, blondie said:

Well responding to your comment, no, I'm a lowroller and I don't raise my bets. In the rare occasions I'd Play with 0.50 cent bets or if I have a massive bonus, 1.25. But then I don't enjoy it that much, it gives me more anxiety as yes, you can win more but the loss can come in quite quicker.

It seems to me that it is great to follow the strategy that makes you more calm. Happy for you and also want to reachthis.

[blondie]

7 minutes ago, Poison said:

It seems to me that it is great to follow the strategy that makes you more calm. Happy for you and also want to reachthis.

You know, I think it's more important to find a balance and how you enjoy your playtime. For me it's playing specific games and playing with low bets. I've seen so many streamers playing with 2, 5 and even 10 eur bets per spin and while it is possible for someone, it's not something I would ever do, even if I had the funds to do that. Because the highs are obviously high, but the lows can be very low with these types of stakes.

[Flatzem]

30 minutes ago, blondie said:

You know, I think it's more important to find a balance and how you enjoy your playtime. For me it's playing specific games and playing with low bets. I've seen so many streamers playing with 2, 5 and even 10 eur bets per Spin and while it is possible for someone, it's not something I would ever do, even if I had the funds to do that. Because the highs are obviously high, but the lows can be very low with these types of stakes. 

Streamers are in a world of their own, with 100% bonuses daily multiple times. deposits of 3k or 4K or more per day. and bets as high as 50e a spin. in addition to all this they have people donating to them, and affiliate incomes from the losses of players that sign up to sites via streamers links. They don't play under the same rules of normal players, streamers can bet much higher per spin than a normal player would be allowed to during bonus wagering. When people see streamers get the big wins they imagine winning that much and when they see streamers lose a lot they breathe a sigh of relief that it wasn't them losing but the streamer (who can easily afford it).

[cocopop3011]

5 hours ago, blondie said:

Well responding to your comment, no, I'm a lowroller and I don't raise my bets. In the rare occasions I'd Play with 0.50 cent bets or if I have a massive bonus, 1.25. But then I don't enjoy it that much, it gives me more anxiety as yes, you can win more but the loss can come in quite quicker.

I have much of the same kind of gameplay. But if my balance reaches £100+ I am willing to raise my bet up to £1 depending on the game, the amount of wagering I have left and how lucky or unlucky I feel on the day. If I'm trying to finish a wager and I have a healthy balance I will raise my bet if possible but if I don't have a wager and am planning on cashing out I probably won't increase my bet as I'd be afraid to lose it.

[ValDes]

Quit watching streamers long, long , long time ago @Flatzem. Too much hassle determining which one is playing and losing his real money and who's been paid to advertise  the relevant operator in a frankly speaking idiotic way (20, 50, even 100 EUR bets per spin... ) 

[Flatzem]

RELAPSED !

I really thought I was done with slots for good but the barrage of free promo spins and free bonuses and a very poor payout caused me to have a relapse today, (it was mostly the poor payout from the 25 free promo spins) I had been offered 25 promo spins (previously it was 50 tho) and this time I could use it on a slot I hadn't played before (AOTG: Epic Troy {TRTP 96.45%}) so I thought I will just play the free spins and be done with it but after the free promo spins were done I was so disgusted/disappointed with the slot that it had only given a 18.6% RTP, 0.93 return of 5e staked, without any features seen so then after taking some time to think I relapsed and used my own cash to spin on the slot at the lowest stake cause I had no confidence in the slot so 20cent spins only, goal was to just get any feature and be done with it or so I thought.

so on 6th spin (using cash) I get a 2.02e win base game hit (10.1xBet), that would end up being the highest base game win of the entire 354 spin session!

on 11th spin (using cash) I get a free spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid a total of 1.76e (8.8xBet) disappointing! could have stopped here but I wanted to see if there is any potential of this slot so played on.
was +1.88e at this point, RTP 185.45% (while using cash)

on 24th spin (using cash) I get a 2nd free spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid just 0.50 (2.5xBet) very disappointing! but still played on. Could not believe this slot was giving such ***** features.
was +0.18e at this point, RTP 103.75% (while using cash)

on 119th spin (using cash) I get a 3rd free spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid just 0.30 (1.5xBet) super disappointing! but still played on! there was a respin feature I wanted to see get triggered!
was -14.34e at this point, RTP 39.75% (while using cash)
 
on 188th spin (using cash) I get a 4th free spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid just 0.80 (4xBet) again disappointing! but still played on! still wanted to see that respin feature get triggered! I was convinced the design was faulty for it to tease so many times for the respin feature (you need to land two stacks of the same premium symbol)
was -23.99e at this point, RTP 36.20% (while using cash)

on 329th spin (using cash) I get the respin feature (landing the paris respins) it paid 4.00 (20xBet) disappointing! now that I had seen all the features I was finally done with this horrible slot, how is this slot a 96.45% RTP (includes 0.99% for the JP)

During the session there were multiple jackpots going off to random lucky players 285e, 188e, 297e, 232e, as well as the extra power of 3394e went off too.

at end of the session was -39.51e, RTP 39.95% (staked 65.80e)(while using cash).
if including the 25 free promo spins then its a result of -43.58e , total staked 70.80e, RTP 38.44%.
had I not relapsed and left it at end of the 25 promo spins would have been up 0.93e but at end of the relapse result was -38.58e thus relapse cost was 39.51e.

some mind boggling session stats:

there were 252 dead spins (about 71%) during the 354 spins (18/25 in promo spins and 234/329 in paid spins)
there were 74 losses disguised as wins (about 21%) during the 354 spins. (6/25 in promo spins and 68/329 in paid spins)
total of 326 losing spins of 354 (92%). <- that's crazy! (24/25 in promo spins and 302/329 in paid spins)
total of just 28 winning spins (7.9%). <- super low! (1/25 in promo spins and 27/329 in paid spins)
longest streak of losing spins was 42 ! <- how can this be legal? (during those 42 spins a drop of 7.73e, RTP 7.98%)
longest streak of dead spins was 13.

This is another lame playtake release. My advice is to stay away from it. Clearly one of playtechs worst releases. They should be ashamed.

P.S. after being robbed like that, I regained my composure and settled into a blackjack session and was able to recoup the slot loss plus some extra.

 

[Afi4wins]

Hmmmmmm...what can I say? AOTG games are bad enough for me to avoid them TOTALLY! You could have done better with the old favourites...but that's just me I guess.

Thankfully, you managed to recoup your losses, plus a small win...but this can actually cause MORE RELAPSES my friend! So be very aware... 

[pinnit2015]

Not a fan of Playtake in the slightest - had a few decent wins in my days playing there but equally seen beasts like Epic Ape run through 100 quid in nanoseconds on minimum bets. 

[cocopop3011]

On 12/20/2019 at 8:15 PM, Flatzem said:

RELAPSED !

I really thought I was done with slots for good but the barrage of free promo spins and free bonuses and a very poor payout caused me to have a relapse today, (it was mostly the poor payout from the 25 free promo spins) I had been offered 25 promo spins (previously it was 50 tho) and this time I could use it on a slot I hadn't played before (AOTG: Epic Troy {TRTP 96.45%}) so I thought I will just play the free spins and be done with it but after the free promo spins were done I was so disgusted/disappointed with the slot that it had only given a 18.6% RTP, 0.93 return of 5e staked, without any features seen so then after taking some time to think I relapsed and used my own cash to Spin on the slot at the lowest stake cause I had no confidence in the slot so 20cent spins only, goal was to just get any feature and be done with it or so I thought.

so on 6th Spin (using cash) I get a 2.02e win base game hit (10.1xBet), that would end up being the highest base game win of the entire 354 Spin session!

on 11th Spin (using cash) I get a free Spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid a total of 1.76e (8.8xBet) disappointing! could have stopped here but I wanted to see if there is any potential of this slot so played on.
was +1.88e at this point, RTP 185.45% (while using cash)

on 24th Spin (using cash) I get a 2nd free Spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid just 0.50 (2.5xBet) very disappointing! but still played on. Could not believe this slot was giving such ***** features.
was +0.18e at this point, RTP 103.75% (while using cash)

on 119th Spin (using cash) I get a 3rd free Spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid just 0.30 (1.5xBet) super disappointing! but still played on! there was a respin feature I wanted to see get triggered!
was -14.34e at this point, RTP 39.75% (while using cash)
 
on 188th Spin (using cash) I get a 4th free Spin feature (landing 3 golden shields to trigger it) it paid just 0.80 (4xBet) again disappointing! but still played on! still wanted to see that respin feature get triggered! I was convinced the design was faulty for it to tease so many times for the respin feature (you need to land two stacks of the same premium symbol)
was -23.99e at this point, RTP 36.20% (while using cash)

on 329th Spin (using cash) I get the respin feature (landing the Paris respins) it paid 4.00 (20xBet) disappointing! now that I had seen all the features I was finally done with this horrible slot, how is this slot a 96.45% RTP (includes 0.99% for the JP)

During the session there were multiple jackpots going off to random lucky players 285e, 188e, 297e, 232e, as well as the extra power of 3394e went off too.

at end of the session was -39.51e, RTP 39.95% (staked 65.80e)(while using cash).
if including the 25 free promo spins then its a result of -43.58e , total staked 70.80e, RTP 38.44%.
had I not relapsed and left it at end of the 25 promo spins would have been up 0.93e but at end of the relapse result was -38.58e thus relapse cost was 39.51e.

some mind boggling session stats:

there were 252 dead spins (about 71%) during the 354 spins (18/25 in promo spins and 234/329 in paid spins)
there were 74 losses disguised as wins (about 21%) during the 354 spins. (6/25 in promo spins and 68/329 in paid spins)
total of 326 losing spins of 354 (92%). <- that's crazy! (24/25 in promo spins and 302/329 in paid spins)
total of just 28 winning spins (7.9%). <- super low! (1/25 in promo spins and 27/329 in paid spins)
longest streak of losing spins was 42 ! <- how can this be legal? (during those 42 spins a drop of 7.73e, RTP 7.98%)
longest streak of dead spins was 13.

This is another lame playtake release. My advice is to stay away from it. Clearly one of playtechs worst releases. They should be ashamed.

P.S. after being robbed like that, I regained my composure and settled into a Blackjack session and was able to recoup the slot loss plus some extra.

 

So it ended up being bitter sweet then considering you manaed to recoup some of your losses. No more relapses?!!

[Flatzem]

3 hours ago, cocopop3011 said:

So it ended up being bitter sweet then considering you managed to recoup some of your losses. No more relapses?!!

no more relapses, (I must make sure to keep the screen covered/and sound off when doing any free promo spins/free no deposit bonus) I didn't do that most recently and combined with the poor return from the free promo spins pushed me over to relapse. The 3 relapses that I have had since I started this thread have cost a total of 546.51e ... (208e {24/11}, 299e {25/11}, 39.51e {20/12}) enough is enough.

[pinnit2015]

To be honest mate i think the whole 'I'll only play with bonus spins etc' is a bit of a false economy - bit like someone saying they'll only play the videoslots free rolls, not cash - works for a while, from knowing some folk, but then the cash deposits come back.

Know there's been people who claim/have re-trained their brain re gambling and some sections of folk are successful in re-introducing 'self control' (even i have had to do so) but my broad brush thought would be that if you (not you, general you)struggle to control yourself re gambling and frequently tilt every time you play then it's cold turkey or nothing - every person i have known that has had an issue has had to go down this route and for those that tried the old 'just 2 cigs a day' approach, frequently found themselves back in tilt/cash deposit mode. 

But everyones different, so what ever works. 

[pittpitt]

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[Flatzem]

relapsed today after a loss at bingo, and went to lose alot on epic ape 273.45e (betting 0.80e & 1.60e & 2e) several low paying features (4.5xBet on 1.60e bet, 20xBet on 1.60e bet and 2xBet on 2e bet),  and then gain of 0.60 on batman catwoman cash (betting 1e) a couple of low paying features 8xBet and and 12.6xBet, then lost alot on halloween fortune (doing 1e,then 5e and 10e bets, was going to leave this one up 10e but couldnt leave and continued with 5e and 10e bets before it dropped me by about 346.50e doing quick spins... what a relapse. all cause I was chasing a 33e loss at bingo. relapse cost me about 619.35e..... The 4 relapses that I have had since I started this thread have cost a total of 1,165.86e ... (208e {24/11}, 299e {25/11}, 39.51e {20/12}, 619.35e {28/12}). Hopefully next year won't have any relapses. down 640e for today overall, that's 64 deposits for most of you. Must be so nice to deposit 10e/10usd/10gbp and turn them into hundreds or thousands cashouts as you all so easily manage to do including accidental 5e spins, Just look at johnny and his proven system, he deposits a tenner or two every week and turns it into a couple K or more easily playing 20 hours a day on starburst and koi and any other slot he touches doing 8CAD and 10CAD bets. But the reality for most players is that they will be down many many many thousands a year playing these -EV slots that can allow players to spin at 5e/10e or higher and in a few dozens of spins be down hundreds. I won't be touching slots next year (except for maybe the occasional promo spins/free no deposits), leave it to the professionals like johnny and the other players that can stick to the 10e/20e deposits a week doing 0.20 spins), whatever you do don't raise your bets to higher than those 0.20/0.25 you will then raise it to more and more and before you know it will be 5e/10e or more.

after checking on the session stats this is what is found and this is the reality not that fakeness you get from posters that boast about their slot miracles:

Epic Ape

073 spins @0.80e - 11.60e  RTP 80.14%
273 spins @1.60e -124.60e  RTP 71.47%
167 spins @2e    -137.25e  RTP 58.91%
total spins: 513, total staked: 829.20e, -273.45e, RTP 67.02%

Batman & Catwoman Cash

58 spins @1.00e + 0.60e  RTP 101.03%
total spins: 58, total staked: 58e, +0.60e, RTP 101.03%

Halloween Fortune

161 spins @1e -14.75e  RTP  90.84%
018 spins @2e +12.00e  RTP 133.33%
050 spins @5e -111.25e RTP  55.50%
075 spins @10e -232.50e RTP 69.00%
total spins: 304, total staked: 1197e, -346.50e, RTP 71.05%

total combined spins: 875, total staked: 2,084.20e, RTP 70.28%

 

[Flatzem]

Did some further checks on the slot stats for the above session and more shocks are reveal to show how much of a scam slots really are.

the 3 Epic Ape features had 7of8 dead spins, 15of18 dead spins, 7of8 dead spins.

Epic Ape had 416 dead spins of 513 (81%) (dead spins does not include the spins that triggered the FSF even tho the triggers on all 3 occasions paid 0)

the dead spins occurred 60 of 73 spins @ 0.80 bets (82%), 215 of 273 @ 1.60 bets (79%), 140 of 167 @ 2.00 bets (84%)

Losses disguised as wins:  4 of 73 @ 0.80 bets, 22 of 273 @ 1.60 bets, 5 of 167 @ 2.00e bets

combine the dead and disguised losses then we get: 64 of 73 spins @0.80 were losing spins (88%), 237 of 273 spins @1.60 were losing spins (87%), 145 of 167 spins @2.00 were losing spins (87%).

equal returns: 1 of 73 spins @ 0.80 bets, 5 of 273 spins @ 1.60 bets, 4 of 167 @ 2.00 bets.

profitable spins: 8 of 73 spins @ 0.80 bets (11%), 29 of 273 spins @ 1.60 bets (11%), 19 of 167 @ 2.00 bets (11%)
 

(HBGW=Highest Base Game Win)

HBGW on 0.80e = 40xBet = 32e, HBGW on 1.60e = 40xBet = 64e,  HBGW on 2.00e = 18xBet = 36e

...

Halloween Fortune had 135 dead spins of 304 (44%).

the dead spins occurred 67 of 161 spins @ 1e bets (42%), 5 of 18 @ 2e bets (28%), 24 of 50 @ 5e bets (48%), 39 of 75 @ 10e bets (52%)

Losses disguised as wins:  55 of 161 @ 1e bets (34%), 8 of 18 @ 2e bets (44%), 16 of 50 @ 5e bets (32%), 18 of 75 @ 10e bets (24%).

combine the dead and disguised losses then we get: 122 of 161 spins @1e were losing spins (76%), 13 of 18 spins @2e were losing spins (72%), 40 of 50 spins @5e were losing spins (80%), 57 of 75 spins @10e were losing spins (76%).

equal returns: 5 of 161 spins @ 1e bets, 0 of 273 spins @ 2e bets, 0 of 50 @ 5e bets, 2 of 75 @ 10e bets.

profitable spins: 34 of 161 spins @ 1e bets (21%), 5 of 18 spins @ 2e bets (28%), 10 of 50 @ 5e bets (20%), 17 of 75 @ 10e bets (23%).
 

(HBGW=Highest Base Game Win)

HBGW on 1e = 13xBet = 13e
HBGW on 2e = 8xBet = 16e
HBGW on 5e = 5xBet = 25e
HBGW on 10e = 8.25xBet = 82.50e

[Flatzem]

Nobody on this forum or other forums except for a few honest people talks about the sad reality of slots and how they grind people down to nothing and take everything from them, that is the ultimate goal of slots by design, people like to talk/show about the wins they get but you won't see them talk about their losses cause most won't even track that. the fact is vast majority of spins are dead and if you add that to the losses disguised as wins you have an unbelievable high number of losing spins. The high variance slots will just have higher number of dead spins vs losses disguised as wins spins/profitable spins. And the low variance will have higher number of losses disguised as wins.

See in the recent session combining the dead and disguised losses for epic ape we get 416 dead + disguised losses 31 for a total of 447 of 513 (87%) that's the reality folks. In addition to that is the numerous times you get where just one symbol away could have been a mega hit cause a missing symbol on reel 1 or 2 or 3. Usually the ape/diamond. As for Halloween Fortune 76% of the spins were losing spins (135 dead + 97 disguised losses = 232 of 304 (a whopping 76%).

Triggering features can take hundreds and hundreds of spins cause designers know that once a feature is triggered the player is likely to leave the slot cause that can be considered the conclusion to the session so by not allowing the feature to be triggered it keeps the player playing there longer while being allowed to sink hundreds into it and teasing with plenty of near misses on the 5th reel in the case of slots that require to hit a symbol on 1st and 5th reel, or other slots that require three scatters you will get the double scatters sprinkled in just enough to keep you playing. And if you get lots of features you will get the low paying ones as seen in the 3 ape features paying just (4.5xBet on 1.60e bet, 20xBet on 1.60e bet and 2xBet on 2e bet). So even though the average number of spins for a feature on Epic Ape was a reasonable 171 the joke was that they paid only average of 9xBet, that is clear and utter theft. A high variance slot with very high number of dead spins then has the audacity to dish out disgustingly low paying features. Slots have changed and they have changed for the worse.

What about the sessions of how a slot will play, they will play with the player not the player playing the slots its psychological, the balance was dip, then get back up close to starting point before again dropping then again go up close to starting point while carefully not going over the starting point cause the player would then consider leaving and thus less chance to fleece the player of more money. The inevitable drop occurs as the -ev takes its toll and the dead spins/losing spins come crashing down like a tonne of bricks before the balance cannot recover, the song is almost always the same. Anyway stay on the same slot for long enough and the swamp of dead spins combined with the disguised losses will take you down and swallow the balance.

Some people like to talk about hit and runs where they test the waters hoping to get an early win and then run before the tsunami of dead spins/disguised wins takes over entirely as it is by design and how the slot makes its money. But the slot has something else in its arsenal it knows how to keep players stay for longer than they should and that is using the tricks put there by the designers, psychological tricks that keep players playing for longer to trap them in the swamp of dead spins/disguised wins, near misses, the sounds of disguised losses as wins, all these and more play a part in separating you from the funds that are being extracted carefully and expertly while you sit there and watch wondering or not being even aware of what's taking place. In addition to that is the trap that players don't like leaving a slot when down on it the slot so they will have one more spin and one more spin to get up a bit on the slot or try to cause that feature could be on the very next spin. Slot designers know this well so sprinkle in those near misses.

No win is ever enough and no loss is horrible enough to keep players away (except for the few that manage to beat it and those that work on it and put barriers in place, set rules). /rant.

[Afi4wins]

The thing is mate, you, like me too, can elaborate and say many things about how slots are playing and (not) paying these days. I've been complaining about how HTML5 versions have changed the good paying traits of old flash games, which have all by now been diluted and/or broken up, paying smaller wins more times, making up for that one big win by the end of it. The TRTP remains unchanged, but the wins we get are less exciting or satisfactory.

That's basically the main reason why I only play my old favourite games, even though if now they are in HTML5 versions. Newer games are designed as per current ridiculous trends, so I avoid playing them whenever I can, with some exceptions of course.

As for existing flash games, like Supe It Up, Isis, and Captain's Treasure Pro (the last remaining few that I know of), the good paying traits have been taken over by Artificial Intelligence software which are doing away with most of the big wins and dishing out with smaller wins.

Whatever it is, HTML5 or Flash games, all big wins are a real rarity now, with lots of losing wins and mediocre payouts as substitutes. The only way to win big amounts is to play with big bets...but we all know what can really happen otherwise too.

The truth is that lots and lots of punters are not bothered at all about all these things...they just want to play, win or lose, and have fun, until they get into trouble. We can rant, we can say all the bad things that's going on, but nobody listens, or want to take notice! 

[Flatzem]

Slot features used to mean something where you would have a drink and watch the slot dish out decent wins after all the spinning you had done to trigger it, but now what good is it when you are lucky enough to trigger a feature it most cases churns out most rubbish payouts, in land based back in the days getting a 2xBet feature would be unheard of (people would have taken a sledge hammer to smash them if they pulled that on players back then (theres a video of some guy doing that tho you can find it on youtube as well as other acts towards the machines), the features would go on for minutes and minutes as you sat and watched hundreds/thousands being added to your balance but now for example those 3 epic ape features, paying just (4.5xBet on 1.60e bet, 20xBet on 1.60e bet and 2xBet on 2e bet). and to rub salt in the very next spin at end of that 2e feature, the slot spat out a base game win of 2.5xBet just for a laugh and mockery.

 

[Flatzem]

there was this video that showed up at youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKIICpqEJzY

it's about What's way more addictive than people think? and after watching it doesn't mention gambling and I went to see the comments and someone pointed that out.

Rhoda Watkins (6 hours ago) Gambling. Can't believe no one said that. They must all be at the casino.

it did however show that Video game loot boxes and how some people can dump thousands of dollars into trying to getting an item they wanted. Video game loot boxes are kind of like gambling for some people and it's targeted at kids.

 

[cocopop3011]

4 hours ago, Flatzem said:

Slot features used to mean something where you would have a drink and watch the slot dish out decent wins after all the spinning you had done to trigger it, but now what good is it when you are lucky enough to trigger a feature it most cases churns out most rubbish payouts, in land based back in the days getting a 2xBet feature would be unheard of (people would have taken a sledge hammer to smash them if they pulled that on players back then (theres a video of some guy doing that tho you can find it on youtube as well as other acts towards the machines), the features would go on for minutes and minutes as you sat and watched hundreds/thousands being added to your balance but now for example those 3 epic ape features, paying just (4.5xBet on 1.60e bet, 20xBet on 1.60e bet and 2xBet on 2e bet). and to rub salt in the very next Spin at end of that 2e feature, the slot spat out a base game win of 2.5xBet just for a laugh and mockery.

 

Do you think maybe now is the time for you to seek help? It seems you have really taken a tumble compared to the Flatzem we knew a while ago and I'm worried you are getting yourself into something you are not going to get out of.

[Flatzem]

17 minutes ago, cocopop3011 said:

Do you think maybe now is the time for you to seek help? It seems you have really taken a tumble compared to the Flatzem we knew a while ago and I'm worried you are getting yourself into something you are not going to get out of. 

Solving it on my own, so I thought of something to help prevent relapses so here it goes:

going to start keeping a track of how many days I am going without spending cash on slots (only free promo spins/free bonuses allowed with no sound/no screen), this will help to prevent relapses cause of not wanting to break a streak and more. I might update it daily or weekly will see how it goes.

Day #1 completed 29.12.2019

[copyyy]

42 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

Solving it on my own, so I thought of something to help prevent relapses so here it goes:

going to start keeping a track of how many days I am going without spending cash on slots (only free promo spins/free bonuses allowed with no sound/no screen), this will help to prevent relapses cause of not wanting to break a streak and more. I might update it daily or weekly will see how it goes.

Day #1 completed 29.12.2019

Take only pragmatic free spins, set them on turbo + autoplay and finish them in 1minute
Anyway, keep us updated if you manage to cashout maybe from free spins, gl anyway.

[Flatzem]

from a slots documentary there was talk about how sound is used to keep people playing slots and one guy that composes the sounds for the slots had this to say: "Everything is in major key, so happy sounding, if you lose there will be no sound, you don't want to reinforce that you've lost, the winning sounds they feel good about what they've done,  and they keep plugging away".

[Afi4wins]

7 hours ago, Flatzem said:

in land based back in the days getting a 2xBet feature would be unheard of (people would have taken a sledge hammer to smash them if they pulled that on players back then (theres a video of some guy doing that tho you can find it on youtube as well as other acts towards the machines)

This reminds me of my case when I was playing at a video games arcade decades ago...no online casinos yet at that point in time...but illegal gambling arcades were everywhere!

I had been playing and sticking to one game for many days, have lost a couple of thousands on that one game alone, waiting for 5 scatters to come (which I knew wasn't far away, or so I thought), but got only 4 scatters in the end. On top of that, the free spins paid rubbish. That blew my top, I got so enraged, I then punched the glass screen of the machine, shattering it to pieces! Not only that, I had to have stitches to my right knuckles before going home!

That was my one and only time I had really lost my cool on a stupid slot game! A painful lesson learnt the hard way...but remembered for life!