Can online casinos detect your strategy?

[cocopop3011]

Casino's Can Detect Strategies :

 

They Analise betting strategies , have software to detect bots , and would most probably hire ex cheats to look for things

their in the business of making money its logical to assume they can detect Strategies.

 

Are you talking about slots or table games?

[Jockey2015]

Are you talking about slots or table games?

Coco I was speaking in general I would assume both Slots , Table Games , and etc would be subject to Strategy Detection Methods and Analisis .

[cocopop3011]

Coco I was speaking in general I would assume both Slots , Table Games , and etc would be subject to Strategy Detection Methods and Analisis .

 

Okay well thanks for sharing with us what you think!

[Awena]

Hello sorenjo and nice to meet you!!

 

I am not sure if we already met so lets make it happen and welcome to AskGamblers :)

 

Its hot at my place and cheers to all gamblers out there,,Lady Luck to come on that very first spin. )

[Awena]

,,@sorenjo I completely forgot to add my reply to your topic..

 

But there is no 'strategy' allowed so you better stay awayb...did I missed the point ?? .

[cocopop3011]

Hello sorenjo and nice to meet you!!

 

I am not sure if we already met so lets make it happen and welcome to AskGamblers : )

 

Its hot at my place and cheers to all gamblers out there,,Lady Luck to come on that very first spin. )

 

Does this mean you have a withdrawal Awena?

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

You guys have to remember that the games are supplied by (most often) 3rd party software developers and it is their RnG that creates the result. At most casinos (unless they are very small) a huge cluster of spins is performed every minute and to be honest the sofware provider won't even know which player is playing the spins. For them it runs as "sessions". So when you log in to a game the casino supply the software developer with the information about your balance and then a session is created. Once you log out from the session the information about the balance is returned and put into you account at the casino. When you come again you are supplied with a new session but the software developer probably don't even know that it is you coming back for more action. It is just another session. So them remembering your patterns and rigging the game depending on your pattern is not possible from previous sessions.

 

So, the option left is for the software developer to read the pattern for every session from start to finnish but in order to correctly do that you need a lot of computing power (the amount of sessions live at for instance NET ENT at any time is staggering) and it would also take a lot of time into each session before there is significant material available to read out a pattern.

 

We have had these debates quite a few times and at the end of the day these things are not necessary for the casino. When they have a high volume their overall RTP fluctuates with like 0,5% from a bad month to a good month because there is so many spins performed that the statistical variance related to the "true RTP" becomes very small. If they wanted to make more money the RTP could simply be set 1% lower.

 

Last, but not least, the big software providers would not risk their software license by tampering with the RNG. Look at Net Ents annual reports. They are making a lot of money and there is really no point for them in focusing on anything else but making games as fun and exciting as possible to attract the interest from the players.

 

I know that losing streaks and winning streaks might make you think that something is wrong/odd. The same happens at a craps table in Vegas, where players often ask for a change in the dice because they think they might be cut wrong after a period of bad results. 99,99% of the time it is just that - bad results. A bad run of cards, a bad run of dice throws and a bad run of spins is part of the game. The same was as your extremely good run of spins that made you the massive results in a short time earlier is part of the game as well.

[cocopop3011]

You guys have to remember that the games are supplied by (most often) 3rd party software developers and it is their RnG that creates the result. At most casinos (unless they are very small) a huge cluster of spins is performed every minute and to be honest the sofware provider won't even know which player is playing the spins. For them it runs as "sessions". So when you log in to a game the casino supply the software developer with the information about your balance and then a session is created. Once you log out from the session the information about the balance is returned and put into you account at the casino. When you come again you are supplied with a new session but the software developer probably don't even know that it is you coming back for more action. It is just another session. So them remembering your patterns and rigging the game depending on your pattern is not possible from previous sessions.

 

So, the option left is for the software developer to read the pattern for every session from start to finnish but in order to correctly do that you need a lot of computing power (the amount of sessions live at for instance NET ENT at any time is staggering) and it would also take a lot of time into each session before there is significant material available to read out a pattern.

 

We have had these debates quite a few times and at the end of the day these things are not necessary for the casino. When they have a high volume their overall RTP fluctuates with like 0,5% from a bad month to a good month because there is so many spins performed that the statistical variance related to the "true RTP" becomes very small. If they wanted to make more money the RTP could simply be set 1% lower.

 

Last, but not least, the big software providers would not risk their software license by tampering with the RNG. Look at Net Ents annual reports. They are making a lot of money and there is really no point for them in focusing on anything else but making games as fun and exciting as possible to attract the interest from the players.

 

I know that losing streaks and winning streaks might make you think that something is wrong/odd. The same happens at a craps table in Vegas, where players often ask for a change in the dice because they think they might be cut wrong after a period of bad results. 99,99% of the time it is just that - bad results. A bad run of cards, a bad run of dice throws and a bad run of spins is part of the game. The same was as your extremely good run of spins that made you the massive results in a short time earlier is part of the game as well.

Thanks so much for your invaluable input here! There'll always be those players that think casinos can detect your strategy and if I'm honest it's usually the players who are losing! However, me personally if I thought casinos could detect my strategy I simply wouldnt deposit my hard earned money there! So I often wonder why the players who do think this even bother depositing! It just doesn't make sense!

 

But in an industry like this there will always be speculation.ALWAYS! Because some players just don't like losing so will look to blame the casino. IMO anyway.

 

As I mentioned in my first post in this topic, it would be impossible for a casino to be able to detect a single players strategy. I can't imagine the sheer volume of players casinos have an a daily basis, the millions of spins that take place daily so for the casino to be able to pick up a pattern is just mind boggling!

 

But thanks for clearing it up for us!

[sorenjo]

Thanks for your answers

[cocopop3011]

Thanks for your answers

 

Glad to see you back here today sorenjo, how are you today?

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Edited September 24, 2015 by cocopop3011
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[cocopop3011]

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On a more serious note, this is your last warning, if your 4th post or subsequent posts include external links, this profile and your other 10 profiles will be banned from the forum.

 

Thanks and have a lovely day!

[MacdoniS]

I'm confused and amazed on how the sake he managed to won that amount even thou it was already explained!? How lucky are you mate!    You must be the one of the hall famer here at Askgamblers it's genuinely verified.   

 

[Jockey2015]

Well as far as systems go I'm a high roller my system is ill come at you with a huge bank roll , at random , and out of nowhere ...

as much as everyone likes to believe things are fair [pats industry on the shoulder] we know that isn't exactly the case but hey

sometimes you win some times you loose its all a roll of the dice and in the wild west you are allways going to have your cats

and your mice.

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

Well as far as systems go I'm a high roller my system is ill come at you with a huge bank roll , at random , and out of nowhere ...

as much as everyone likes to believe things are fair [pats industry on the shoulder] we know that isn't exactly the case but hey

sometimes you win some times you loose its all a roll of the dice and in the wild west you are allways going to have your cats

and your mice.

 

Hi Jockey,

 

Obviously I will have a hard time convincing you that the games are fair if you truly believe otherwise but the fact of the matter is, that there is no point in creating a game that is not fair. What everyone seem to miss when talking about these things is that a casino doesn't maximize its earnings by taking players to the cleaners. The best players are the ones that play a lot, wins a fair amount of the time and over the course of the year (or several years) gets their true RTP back. Players that know that they have a fair chance of winning and have won before will trust the games and hence decide to play at casinos more instead of buying lottery tickets or whatever people otherwise use their gambling budget playing.

 

You won't make a lot of money if the RTP is very low. If players always lose they will never come back. Over the course of time casino software developers have found out that the casino makes the most money if the RTP is where it is (around 95-97%).

 

When you have already found the optimal return to player percentage then why mess with it? That makes no sense. Furthermore, why do it and risk getting caught and losing your million dollar business by having your gaming license removed.

 

In a large casino the RTP for all players combined will be around the theoretical RTP every month. It might deviate 0.5% from month to month but not much more than that. So, with this in mind and with the fact that the best RTP for creating loyal customers have already been found, then why cheat? There is no motive. It would probably hurt your business to do so.

 

I understand, as cocopop wrote, that a lot of players will feel like they are cheated, when they have long periods without withdrawals. But the fact is that most players withdraw when they win 5-10 times their deposit and hence you actually have to get quite lucky in order to reach those levels. Take a coin and create sessions where you bet heads or tails for €5 per spin with a €100 bankroll and you will see that you won't reach those 5-10 times your bankroll that often. Couple that with the fact that the casino needs to have a lot of bad spins to create "room" for those mega wins (wild lines on dead or alive and stuff like that) that is also paid to players from time to time and the fact that the casino game is a little less than a 50/50 chance and you have the reason why players can sometimes go a long time without withdrawals.

 

Kind regards,

Mike

Anna Casino

[sorenjo]

Terrific answer Mike

 

Thank you Cocopop, I'm good thanks.

[partyhummel]

You guys have to remember that the games are supplied by (most often) 3rd party software developers and it is their RnG that creates the result. At most casinos (unless they are very small) a huge cluster of spins is performed every minute and to be honest the sofware provider won't even know which player is playing the spins. For them it runs as "sessions". So when you log in to a game the casino supply the software developer with the information about your balance and then a session is created. Once you log out from the session the information about the balance is returned and put into you account at the casino. When you come again you are supplied with a new session but the software developer probably don't even know that it is you coming back for more action. It is just another session. So them remembering your patterns and rigging the game depending on your pattern is not possible from previous sessions.

 

So, the option left is for the software developer to read the pattern for every session from start to finnish but in order to correctly do that you need a lot of computing power (the amount of sessions live at for instance NET ENT at any time is staggering) and it would also take a lot of time into each session before there is significant material available to read out a pattern.

 

We have had these debates quite a few times and at the end of the day these things are not necessary for the casino. When they have a high volume their overall RTP fluctuates with like 0,5% from a bad month to a good month because there is so many spins performed that the statistical variance related to the "true RTP" becomes very small. If they wanted to make more money the RTP could simply be set 1% lower.

 

Last, but not least, the big software providers would not risk their software license by tampering with the RNG. Look at Net Ents annual reports. They are making a lot of money and there is really no point for them in focusing on anything else but making games as fun and exciting as possible to attract the interest from the players.

 

I know that losing streaks and winning streaks might make you think that something is wrong/odd. The same happens at a craps table in Vegas, where players often ask for a change in the dice because they think they might be cut wrong after a period of bad results. 99,99% of the time it is just that - bad results. A bad run of cards, a bad run of dice throws and a bad run of spins is part of the game. The same was as your extremely good run of spins that made you the massive results in a short time earlier is part of the game as well.

 

 

 

waaaaah..... do not even think about lowering the rtp, please. its low enough by far. ;-) think about.... raising it. :-) spoil your players. if you raise i promise to deposit at your casino^^

[ValDes]

waaaaah..... do not even think about lowering the rtp, please. its low enough by far. ;-) think about.... raising it. :-) spoil your players. if you raise i promise to deposit at your casino^^

 

Haha, touche! 

[Johnnygotthebone]

I am living proof of this theory.

 

5 casinos gave me more than 20k pure profit playing the same games over and over again from deposits never going over 40 bucks.

 

They figured out what I was doing. Putting in 40 and taking out 80 more than 10 times in a day and more. The 80 sometimes went to 1000 when I hit.

 

Then, come October.....everything changed.

 

Amazon queen. Zeus 1000, Elvis , burst, twin and a few others didn't just stop paying. They completely took every minimal deposit.

 

I realized it early on. Didn't get me for too much but I saw what was happening.

 

On redbet, I killed them. 20 deposits of less than 30€ Every day and probably 20 cash outs per day. Pro ting 500-1000 per day for weeks.

 

Same with the Bettson group. That BETSAFE has those games take me from 20-50 and VAmos I go. But then..... Seconds to lose every deposit.

 

No, I agree with original post.

 

Casinos are not Jesus or Allah where we believe without seeing. I don't believe anything they say. I don't trust them and frankly i wish they would all go bankrupt to be honest. Except the one I play on here and there

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

waaaaah..... do not even think about lowering the rtp, please. its low enough by far. ;-) think about.... raising it. :-) spoil your players. if you raise i promise to deposit at your casino^^

 

(sorry for the late reply - missed this post )

 

Remember, we as casinos don't control these RTP's. A game delivered to us by a software provider has a fixed RTP - and it doesn't change and the game doesn't change no matter what casino you play at. It is exactly the same server/RNG you are playing at no matter if the casino is Anna Casino or another operator.

 

So, even if I would like to take you up on your offer to switch to us for a raise in RTP; I unfortunately can't do it. The game RTP is fixed.

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

I am living proof of this theory.

 

5 casinos gave me more than 20k pure profit playing the same games over and over again from deposits never going over 40 bucks.

 

They figured out what I was doing. Putting in 40 and taking out 80 more than 10 times in a day and more. The 80 sometimes went to 1000 when I hit.

 

Then, come October.....everything changed.

 

Amazon queen. Zeus 1000, Elvis , burst, twin and a few others didn't just stop paying. They completely took every minimal deposit.

 

I realized it early on. Didn't get me for too much but I saw what was happening.

 

On redbet, I killed them. 20 deposits of less than 30€ Every day and probably 20 cash outs per day. Pro ting 500-1000 per day for weeks.

 

Same with the Bettson group. That BETSAFE has those games take me from 20-50 and VAmos I go. But then..... Seconds to lose every deposit.

 

No, I agree with original post.

 

Casinos are not Jesus or Allah where we believe without seeing. I don't believe anything they say. I don't trust them and frankly i wish they would all go bankrupt to be honest. Except the one I play on here and there

 

I probably can't convince you of this but what you are a living proof of is, that cames of chance like slot machines have a high variance. You have had an impressive hot streak and a long cold streak. Nothing else. We can't rig the games and we can't read your patterns. As mentioned, they are 100% fixed and I promise you that the software providers don't care that much about us that they would compromise their integrity, license and huge business by giving us operators this option.

 

If I took all of the players in our casino and listed them after luck / bad luck then you would see, in one end, players that seem like they can win at will. 100 deposits or more and large withdrawals following 80-90% of their deposits. In the other end, players with maybe 500 deposits never a single withdrawal.

 

If you take a coin, flip it 100 times and note the amount of times it hit heads or tail, you would probably get something close to 50 of each (maybe 60-40) and that would be what you would expect.

 

But if you do this 1 million times and look through the results, some of these sessions will have amazing results. 95 heads and 5 tails (and the other way around) and stuff like that. It is natural, when a large number of sessions in a game of chance is being played, some of these sessions will end up showing results that seem almost impossible.

 

The same is the case for casino games. There are so many players out there, that some of them is bound to hit either extremely well or extremely bad and some are bound to hit extremely well to begin with and then turn to extremely bad afterwards.

 

But this is natural and not evidence of anything else than that the laws of statistics do indeed apply to casino games as well.

 

/Mike

[Johnnygotthebone]

Hello Mark from Anna casino, I played at your casino earlier this year, I found your customer service to be one of the rudest I have ever experienced in my life, I left feedback for you a while ago saying this, I hope you guys have figured out that people need to be spoken to with respect when there is a question askEd.

 

That's for recording my statement, I think the forum knows I was just joking around except for the last paragraph

[partyhummel]

(sorry for the late reply - missed this post )

 

Remember, we as casinos don't control these RTP's. A game delivered to us by a software provider has a fixed RTP - and it doesn't change and the game doesn't change no matter what casino you play at. It is exactly the same server/RNG you are playing at no matter if the casino is Anna Casino or another operator.

 

So, even if I would like to take you up on your offer to switch to us for a raise in RTP; I unfortunately can't do it. The game RTP is fixed.

 

 

heyho ;-))) maybe i should mention that - allthough I am grown up - I really love to make silly jokes and run around like a chicken for nothing - just to worry thr crowd. :-)))

 

I know about the fixed rtpand the flip coin priciple of slots. ;-) However sometimes I love tha thought about a kind casino manager pressing buttons to put a player onto a winning streak. ;-) I know that thats only fantasy. ;-)

[cocopop3011]

heyho ;-))) maybe i should mention that - allthough I am grown up - I really love to make silly jokes and run around like a chicken for nothing - just to worry thr crowd. :-)))

 

I know about the fixed rtpand the flip coin priciple of slots. ;-) However sometimes I love tha thought about a kind casino manager pressing buttons to put a player onto a winning streak. ;-) I know that thats only fantasy. ;-)

Hahaha - Brilliant fantasy! And that would be great if it really happened! I think if I was a casino manager and in a fantasy world we could press buttons to help players win I'd do it all the time! The casino would go bust

[partyhummel]

Hahaha - Brilliant fantasy! And that would be great if it really happened! I think if I was a casino manager and in a fantasy world we could press buttons to help players win I'd do it all the time! The casino would go bust

 

 

me too... thats why we don´t have casinos ;-)))