PROOF: Fun Play Is Not The Same As Real Play!

[Afi4wins]

Hi everyone!   

 

Remember our earlier discussions on "is free play or fun play really any different from real play?" ...or "is it really easier to win in the fun mode?"...and I said "yes, it is!" Well, after much trial and error runs on a few selected Playtech games, I finally zoomed in on 1 game that clearly exhibits this difference in its game play. It took me weeks to get all the proof that I needed, spending countless hours playing the game in real mode and in fun mode, just to collect the screenshots of the differences! Then came the screening part of all the images that I have collected, picking out the best examples and putting in important notations for easy reference and comprehension. And to avoid confusion or misinterpretation, I have separated them into different categories, for easier scrutinisation by anyone and everyone interested.

 

Kindly take note that to save a lot of space here, I had to convert those images into pdf pages, so my apologies if they appear too tiny for you to view them with much detail. You can, however, request for a normal screenshot image of any of the image that you see in the pdf pages and I will post them up here, separately, so that all the details can be viewed with greater ease and depth.

 

Okay then, are you ready to see what 'smoking gun' evidences that I have collected and compiled? My proof that playing in the free play mode, or fun mode, or practice mode, IS INDEED EASIER TO WIN than when playing in the real play mode! So take a good look...and decide for yourself. You can agree or you can disagree...it is your prerogative, never mine alone!   

 

 

(Please click on 'Evidence #' to download and view)

 

 

Evidence #1 - Real Money Play vs Fun Play.pdf

 

 

Evidence #2 - Captain America Free Games.pdf

 

 

Evidence #3 - Thor Free Games.pdf

 

 

Evidence #4 - Play For Fun Mode.pdf

 

 

Afi

[sencize]

Nice work Afi casinos should not do this kind of deceptions

[Afi4wins]

Nice work Afi casinos should not do this kind of deceptions

 

Thank you Sencize! 

 

The thing is...most probably every other software is doing the same thing too! Basically, to lure new customers to play with real money, after letting them 'win easily' in the fun mode, hence converting them into new depositing players, which is the main target of every casino. My proof is only on Playtech software, because it is my forte, and my 'home ground' in terms of online gambling.

 

Someone else more proficient in another software could probably come up with similar evidences to strengthen what I have said before...that no matter what software game you are playing with, it is always easier to win in the fun mode than playing with real money. Finding the right game for such evidences is probably the hardest thing to do...because the evidences are not always apparent! 

[Toiletseat]

Afi, you obviously spent a lot of effort in proofing the difference between fun and real play. My respect for that

I think you did a very good job, I am convinced that it is easier to win at fun play. It makes sense, when you win at fun play you are easilier persuaded to make a deposit  for real play slots.

On the other hand, playing the devil's advocate  , it could also be coincidence. Gambling is a matter of randomness.....that's what the casino operators would say, and they would provide images where you could see the opposite. Loosing on fun play, and winning on real play.

 

It's like you said, make up your own mind. With all the images/evidence you've  provided that should be easy. Once again, a very good job from your side.

[ValDes]

My dear Afi.

 

Indeed, what you have done is pretty interesting and useful to know, but it proves absolutely nothing. Why do I say so:

 

1. As an experienced gambler you should know that the factory predefined RTP stats for a slot game (or any other casino game, based on RNG) are expected to be achieved in a huge amount of spins. No one knows for sure what this amount actually is, but rumors say above million spins and even higher. And how many spins you have done total in your research? 1000, 10000... Even if it is 10000, that is totally insufficient to take some serious conclusions from it. 

 

2. Why you have chosen to base your conclusions over game features is a complete mystery for me, to be completely honest?! We all know that features are just part of the game and their outcome is formed based on the same predefined game's RTP percentage as all other spins in the base game. Nothing more, nothing less. In my humble opinion, you should have recorded the whole set of spins and not only the bonus ones. 

 

3. Playtech is a serious player in the field of online gambling and it powers hundreds of online casinos. The company has a long history and is known as a reputable and trustworthy gambling software provider. Its software is tested and approved by some of the most serious independent laboratories worldwide. Yes, it is true they were messed last year in a suspicious story of a HiLo game, which was indeed proved to provide unfair results, but it is also true this game was not a Playtech one. So, what I am trying to say is that to question Playtech's software fairness and its behavior in Real and Free play mode is weird.

 

At the end I would like to surprise you a bit and state that actually I believe you are right. Yes, yes, I do believe there is a difference in the software 'behavior' when it is in Free and Real play mode. But it has its very simple explanation, which in my opinion is that actually every time you start a game in a free play, the amount of spins needed to reach the predefined RTP is reset to zero. And while you are playing in Real mode this is impossible. Here's where it comes from your well spotted difference in a slot behavior. At least I think so...

 

But one way or another, I am ready to assist you with this case and even to send this report to Playtech on AskGamblers.com behalf and request their opinion on it.  

[cocopop3011]

There is without a difference! Well done Afi on your findings!

[Afi4wins]

Thank you everyone for all your most enlightening comments. I appreciate it very much!   

I wanted to click 'like this' on all your comments but I had already run out of quota! 

 

It's like you said, make up your own mind. With all the images/evidence you've  provided that should be easy. Once again, a very good job from your side.

 

That's exactly what I wanted to do, Seat. Just to highlight to all slot players, especially new ones, that playing with fun money is NOT the same as playing with real money. They should be aware of this BEFORE they venture into the real play mode...and start losing everything they've got and owned.

 

 

ValDes, matey, I agree with all your comments, and I don't deny them. In answer to your puzzleness, what I have shown via the images above are only what I want to highlight as the proofing images, all of which are obtained in a CONTINUOUS NON-STOP playing over weeks, ending one day, continuing again the following day from exactly where I had left off! This can be seen in the dates, times and balance in each screenshot. Despite what the RTP and RNG are supposed to do, this is never the case when playing in the fun mode. I tried it at 2 more other Playtech casinos, on different dates and time, but all with similar results!!! I have NEVER WON playing in the real money mode...AND...I have NEVER LOST playing in the fun mode...at 3 different casinos, over different dates and time! If the game is supposed to run without any difference, why is it that I cannot win at 3 casinos playing with real money, yet I cannot lose at any of them in the fun mode?!

 

As to your next comment (item 3), I am not questioning nor disapproving of Playtech's software...in fact, I love their games...well, some of them anyway, not all!  My point was to highlight that 'if Playtech software can be such...wouldn't it make sense that other softwares can be just the same too?' That no matter at whichever casino and whatever software game you are playing, the fact remains that 'it is always easier to win in the fun mode'!

 

I found my proof for Playtech software. If someone else would or could do what I have done with Playtech, they too may find the proof for the other softwares.   As for sending this report to Playtech for their comments, that wasn't my intention...but if this could do a lot of good for AG especially, why not? Possibly this could even send some shivers down the spine of other casino forums for a change!   

[Afi4wins]

There is without a difference! Well done Afi on your findings!

 

Thank you my dear Sharon. 

[Toiletseat]

ValDes,  , with your answer you've proven another thing. You really are a guru, an expert, AG's living Wikipedia. If there was a Gambling University, you would be the professor.

[ValDes]

Thanks for estimating my efforts to help so high, Seat. Much appreciated.

 

Actually I really believe that if you make 1 000 000 spins in Real and Free play mode the final result would be completely the same.  

[Afi4wins]

Thanks for estimating my efforts to help so high, Seat. Much appreciated.

 

Actually I really believe that if you make 1 000 000 spins in Real and Free play mode the final result would be completely the same.

 

I dare to bet you on that mate! 

[cocopop3011]

Thanks for estimating my efforts to help so high, Seat. Much appreciated.

 

Actually I really believe that if you make 1 000 000 spins in Real and Free play mode the final result would be completely the same.

 

Oh I would definitely beg to differ on that one!

[cocopop3011]

ValDes,  , with your answer you've proven another thing. You really are a guru, an expert, AG's living Wikipedia. If there was a Gambling University, you would be the professor.

This is great. Isn't it true that you can edit any document on Wikipedia! As they have Wikipedia police. Wouldn't it be great if we could edit Valdes posts!!! Hahaha we could have some fun with that.

 

(I'm joking of course)

[bigdk88]

Afi we all know one thing for sure its no easier or harder to win on real or on play for fun mode on netent games! the proof? i can't get 5 scatters or 5 wilds on dead or alive not to mention I can bust on play for fun mode on dead or alive yes I busted on play for fun mode this tells everyone exactly how high risk it is lol! busted my play money on other netent slots too you really are at the mercy of the rng with this software lol!

[slotking888]

Afi,

 

how about the auto spin mode & manual,their out come is same?

[yapro]

Afi,

 

how about the auto spin mode & manual,their out come is same?

no any different, since this means absolutely nothing XD

Suggest everyone to read post number 5 from Valdes.

Afi4wins, your proof is not proof unfortunately, but if this was true, than this can be really big bang in gambling world, since such difference is not allowed.

[Afi4wins]

Afi,

 

how about the auto spin mode & manual,their out come is same?

 

Hi Slotking! 

 

Firstly, I must point out that the comparison research that I did in my article between Real Play and  Fun Play was ONLY on Playtech games. The difference in the two game play modes was ONLY apparent especially in Marvel Jackpot games. For a simple reason I guess. There's no jackpot prize in fun play, unlike in the real play...hence the difference in the way the slot game plays becomes very obvious, as I had illustrated in my article. Nonetheless, I do know that a few other Playtech's non-jackpot games are also behaving similarly, through my 12 years of playing the games!

 

In that research which I did, it was carried out on a continuous mode, playing it for at least 6 - 10 hours non-stop a day for several days for each individual category of comparison, using both Autoplay and manual play. The starting balance used is indicated in the first screenshot ($2000) and the end balance after several days of non-stop playing is shown in the last screenshot. Always a win, never a lost in ALL of my tests!

 

Secondly, I am not stating that other softwares are the same...just hinting that the possibility is always there...if anyone wants to test them out and find out for sure, like I did on my Playtech games. Frankly speaking, I wouldn't be surprise if all softwares do have some similarities with Playtech, regardless of what RNG testing and reports say. Humans are humans. Programs are human-designed. Nothing is perfect! Not even those Certifications! I may be wrong of course, as many have already told me before this, but this is my personal opinion and I strongly believe in it, no matter what others say! 

 

Cheers! 

[Afi4wins]

no any different, since this means absolutely nothing XD

Suggest everyone to read post number 5 from Valdes.

Afi4wins, your proof is not proof unfortunately, but if this was true, than this can be really big bang in gambling world, since such difference is not allowed.

 

Yapro, to me it is clear proof! But only for that specific game (The Avengers) as illustrated.

Running such tests takes a lot of my personal time AND money, playing one game at a time, comparing the results, then moving on to the next game for another round of new testings, and I did my best up to what I could afford on those selected Playtech games, before finally zooming in on to The Avengers game for the proof.

 

If I have unlimited funds, I could run tests on any chosen software and look for this indiscriminating evidence! I am sure, one day, even after months or years or testing, I could find that conclusive evidence! Like I said, no software is perfect...or can be perfect! 

[Afi4wins]

Afi,

 

how about the auto spin mode & manual,their out come is same?

 

Slotking, if you're asking can you win more easily on autoplay or manual, the answer is no. Each spin outcome is predetermined the nanosecond you press that start button, regardless of on autoplay or manual play. Each spin result is nonetheless random, but is determined once you start the spin. Those millions of calculations required to ensure randomness of each and every spin are completed within nanoseconds by the processors. Hence you cannot change the outcome of the spin.

 

But then again...who knows! Like I said, nothing can be prefect. Perhaps there could be instances whereby pressing the 'stop' button could change the outcome of the spin...as our 'Queen of No Deposit Bonuses' here have shown to us many many times! 

 

Perhaps someone could do a thorough experiment and research on this too? 

[slotking888]

 

i think we've similar habbit, but fun play & real play is really different... i've only using playtech software for online gambling and dafabet was the only casino that i'm using... when on fun play mode,really easy to win,many years ago i'm using fun play mode at 1st and when i felt that the bonus is going to come,i stop then click play with real money,it really stop at the last screen that i stop at fun play mode but the funny part is after few click,the bonus really came! i've been making a lot of $$$ from that for few days,(300usd per day then i stop) i don't know it's coincident or not then the software sudden change it course,the coin amount of the fun play mode starting with 0.01 like the rest playtech solfware but after click the real play mode,it starting at 0.05! for eg. ironman 2 25 lines,the minimum was 0.25 per spin right? now the casino minimum was 1.25. btw,playtech got fun fun mode,fun mode & real money mode according to me,i called the 1st fun fun mode due to play it without even need an internet and no those pop up real play screen asked to try luck since the spin we click is winning,while the fun mode that need internet to connect always pop up... i'm sorry for my bad english thoigh! ^^

 

 

 

[Afi4wins]

WOW, Slotking!...no wonder our Guru Valdes gets a headache reading long unparagraphed messages like this. I'm out of breath myself after reading it too...hahahaha. 

 

But I got your meaning nevertheless!  Yes, you are right in what you have said about Playtech games. The 2 fun mode - online and offline fun modes - and about switching from fun play to real play and making some wins. But sadly enough, all that has passed and not to be had ever again! Playtech has since made changes to the software after they realised that too many players are knowing this 'loophole' and making quick wins! That's YOU and ME included!!! Hahahaha.

 

In fact, only a few months back, my devious shortcuts at maximising the casino bonuses have been discovered and realised by the casino management...and they quickly made changes to their bonus programs! Now I cannot maximise on their bonuses any more...and it is affecting my game play quite seriously! No joke! It is now a lot harder for me to win...because the casino has removed my 'advantages'.    

 

When we think we are smart...the casinos are even smarter...always! 

[catapultaudio]

As slotking briefly touched on, the playtech 'fun mode' actually generates its random numbers offline on your own computer as opposed to using a certified RNG from online, this can sway the results drastically either for or against you, but the fact is if they ain't taking your money it doesn't make much sense for you to be clogging up there server, even if that means the games dont accurately reflect their true 'for money' version.. its probably not right, but I can't imagine them changing it.

[ValDes]

As slotking briefly touched on, the playtech 'fun mode' actually generates its random numbers offline on your own computer as opposed to using a certified RNG from online, this can sway the results drastically either for or against you, but the fact is if they ain't taking your money it doesn't make much sense for you to be clogging up there server, even if that means the games dont accurately reflect their true 'for money' version.. its probably not right, but I can't imagine them changing it.

 

Sounds as an interesting idea, but I'm afraid there's no way to get a confirmation from Playtech.

 

So, until then, all we are talking here is just speculations...

[helenakp]

WOW, Slotking!...no wonder our Guru Valdes gets a headache reading long unparagraphed messages like this. I'm out of breath myself after reading it too...hahahaha. 

 

But I got your meaning nevertheless!  Yes, you are right in what you have said about Playtech games. The 2 fun mode - online and offline fun modes - and about switching from fun play to real play and making some wins. But sadly enough, all that has passed and not to be had ever again! Playtech has since made changes to the software after they realised that too many players are knowing this 'loophole' and making quick wins! That's YOU and ME included!!! Hahahaha.

 

In fact, only a few months back, my devious shortcuts at maximising the casino bonuses have been discovered and realised by the casino management...and they quickly made changes to their bonus programs! Now I cannot maximise on their bonuses any more...and it is affecting my game play quite seriously! No joke! It is now a lot harder for me to win...because the casino has removed my 'advantages'.    

 

When we think we are smart...the casinos are even smarter...always!

I have no idea ,what are you talking about, buuut I am on Afi side 

[Afi4wins]

I have no idea ,what are you talking about, buuut I am on Afi side 

 

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