Fiekie247 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 If I look at this at Kingbilly casino. They have a few of these red stones games Moon Dog, under Fazi provide but labeled as Redstone. So just asking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiekie247 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 It looks to me similar like Relax Gaming. Many games operating like Print Studios, Big time gaming etc on the relax platform, but a provider on its own. Sorry I don't mean to be funny guys, just asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjax Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, Fiekie247 said: It looks to me similar like Relax Gaming. Many games operating like Print Studios, Big time gaming etc on the relax platform, but a provider on its own. It's exactly like you said. You will see this Redstone tag in almost every screenshot that has been posted. So everything cool with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiekie247 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 17 minutes ago, Blackjax said: It's exactly like you said. You will see this Redstone tag in almost every screenshot that has been posted. So everything cool with it. Nope. They only in a hand full of games, actual Fazi loading games does not contain redstone. But it's cool, Okay I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopop3011 Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Fiekie247 said: Sorry but I have to ask for Clarity, because the other day I checked games by Fazi on king billy and noticed games labels Redstone as the provider , however they run of the Fazi platform. Is redstone in fact a Fazi slot, or just another provider operating in the Fazi platform? Because yesterday I refrained from playing the games as it states Redstone as the provider as per screenshot - Please advise @cocopop3011 WELL…. I wasn’t told this game wasn’t excluded today. HOWEVER, I have just noticed on our site we have it as Redstone, there won’t be an official leaderboard until Monday now anyway but I will need to double check this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopop3011 Posted December 15, 2023 Author Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Fiekie247 said: It looks to me similar like Relax Gaming. Many games operating like Print Studios, Big time gaming etc on the relax platform, but a provider on its own. Sorry I don't mean to be funny guys, just asking. There’s no need to be sorry and we do need clarity so don’t worry, I wasn’t aware it was showing redstone on our site, so let me chat with the AG team Monday Fiekie247 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatzem Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 12 hours ago, cocopop3011 said: @Flatzem Do you have any other game log to any other win amount? I am struggling to make it to your multiplier? here are some more spins that I did after the first spin feature 230x as I said Slotamba bet history shows the amount of profit or loss made for each spin... the stake being 0.10eur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatzem Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, cocopop3011 said: There’s no need to be sorry and we do need clarity so don’t worry, I wasn’t aware it was showing redstone on our site, so let me chat with the AG team Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatzem Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Dolphin's Shine - 584x (Slotamba Casino) you can see that in the bet log the profit on the spin was 52.47eur, with a 0.09eur stake.. thus the total return was 52.56 eur. and if we divide 52.56 eur by 0.09 stake then we get 584xBet cocopop3011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 Since when are multipliers counted by an amount NOT SHOWN as the winning amount in a screenshot? It has always been win amount divided by stake. If the win shows a 52.11 EUR win at 0.09 EUR stake, then the winning multiplier is always counted as 52.11/0.09 = 579x. Not shown results should never be regarded as valid in any contests, otherwise all sorts of complications can arise. A winning multiplier is calculated by dividing the winning amount by the bet size as shown in the screenshot. A simple, straightforward and standard rule. A game log serves ONLY to show the casino, date and time it was won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 By the way @Flatzem, congrats on your nice big win. Flatzem 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 @cocopop3011 The same argument can be applied to this contest too. Fazi Interactive is the provider of this contest and provider of the prizes. Games available under the FAZI label as listed under 'Providers' at any casino becomes eligible for the contest. Fazi's platform may also have other game providers, like Redstone in this case, just as Pragmatic Play has Reel Kingdom, Playtech has Eyecon, and many many other examples. If a Redstone game (eg, Book Of Dread) is available at other casinos but not under FAZI Provider label, then it should not be eligible for this contest. If such ambiguities are accepted, then the rules of a contest become so much more complicated and very difficult to manage! Calculation for a simple winning multiplier becomes very strenuous (needing to check each game log, the spin's winning amount, the stake amount, the total winning amount, and so forth)! Best to stick to the TRIED & TESTED way ... the winning amount shown on a screenshot divided by the stake/bet size gives the winning multiplier! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiekie247 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 I agree The winning amount stated in the screenshot to be devided by the bet amount in the screenshot is what matters. So my Aloha Charm win was 448 zar, my bet was 2 zar 448 zar ÷ 2 = 224x. The winning screenshot take preference, not what the game log shows as a win. Because what I can see according to Flatzem win - When the feature is triggered by landing 3 scatters, the win is 0.36 euro as 3 scatters in dolphins shine pays 4 x bet. So they keep that 0.36 cents win separate from the actual free spins win. So he won 52.11 euro from free spins + 0.36 euro from the scatters trigger = 52.47 euro in total. But the 0.36 euro scatter win is not included in the winning screenshot. The same with playtech games @Afi4wins - it shows the bonus trigger win + feature win, however the winning amount in Playtech screenshot include the scatter wins in the total winning amount. Afi4wins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiekie247 Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 What needs to be established from the gaming provider - Does Fazi own redstone or not. If they do, then redstone should be eligible If they do not , then it will be categorized as Relax gaming who does not own Print Studios, but only run it on the platform. Because print studios shows up under Relax gaming on all casinos but it's not Relax, print studios is a provider on its own. Playtech owns Eyecon and Pragmatic owns Reel Kingdom hence they fall under the same umbrella. Afi4wins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 In my defense to judge @cocopop3011, Book of dread, if in question, is listed on AG and on the Fazi-Interactive website. Upon inspection of Fazi's website all slots in which we've played are listed there but almost all of them are also by Redstone. Exhibits A and B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Fiekie247 said: I agree The same with playtech games @Afi4wins - it shows the bonus trigger win + feature win, however the winning amount in Playtech screenshot include the scatter wins in the total winning amount. Yes! With Playtech games, one screen would show the Triggering win amount from 3 or more scatters plus the actual Free Spins win amount, but the next screen (back to the base game) would always show the COMBINED TOTAL winning amount, and this is what I always take a screenshot of. Other providers may have a slightly different way of showing the free spins win results, but what matters is the amount won shown on the screen in the base game. Each provider has its own system of showing results and game logs. We cannot interfere withwhatever results are being shown or how they are being shown. WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET! Fiekie247 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopop3011 Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Afi4wins said: @cocopop3011 The same argument can be applied to this contest too. Fazi Interactive is the provider of this contest and provider of the prizes. Games available under the FAZI label as listed under 'Providers' at any casino becomes eligible for the contest. Fazi's platform may also have other game providers, like Redstone in this case, just as Pragmatic Play has Reel Kingdom, Playtech has Eyecon, and many many other examples. If a Redstone game (eg, Book Of Dread) is available at other casinos but not under FAZI Provider label, then it should not be eligible for this contest. This isn’t an argument don’t worry Afi. I’m just backing myself here. I did say previously that I wasn’t told this game is excluded, I’m just covering myself before I write the official leaderboard. Icy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopop3011 Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 GUYS!!!! Stop stressing I’m sure it will be fine, not sure why this has been made into a big thing Chill, honestly Icy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopop3011 Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 @Flatzem I’ll check your screenshots later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatzem Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 hours ago, cocopop3011 said: @Flatzem I’ll check your screenshots later. if we go by screenshot win amount display rule then I am fine with that and stay on 579x instead of going by betlog where betlog includes the initial triggering win. cocopop3011 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocopop3011 Posted December 16, 2023 Author Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 hours ago, Flatzem said: if we go by screenshot win amount display rule then I am fine with that and stay on 579x instead of going by betlog where betlog includes the initial triggering win. Sorry not had chance to check yet I’m not feeling very well today, I’m on my phone. I will asap. But it will probably be the initial screenshot, because working things out via the game log isn’t something I want to start going forward. But I’ll get back to you asap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiekie247 Posted December 17, 2023 Share Posted December 17, 2023 Aloha Charm - 904x - Kingbilly Casino Icy, cocopop3011, Afi4wins and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjax Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Last one week of the competition begins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 Okay folks, whilst waiting for our @cocopop3011 to post an official leaderboard, here's a temporary one: UNOFFICIAL LEADERBOARD 1st - @Fiekie247 - 904.2x 2nd - @Flatzem - 579x 3rd - @Icy - 494.5x 4th - @Afi4wins - 346x 5th - @Potatohead - 175x Icy and cocopop3011 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiekie247 Posted December 18, 2023 Share Posted December 18, 2023 This is how I got that 900x, lots of empty spins and 1 spin with 4 wilds - Had it been 5, it would have been 4500x win Blackjax and Afi4wins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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