Flatzem Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Blackjax said: Have you tried Primal megaways. The slot with best base game feature. that's one of the 3 dozen megaways I've played, not given it that many spins only few hundred. Only slightly down on it, it's one of the better megaways that I played, had several features even though only had a few hundred spins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatzem Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 see here a streamer doing bonus buys on the dog house megaways, it didn't go so well for him. tough game. starts at 33m19s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool91 Posted August 12, 2023 Author Share Posted August 12, 2023 I decided to play demo exactly the same style as when I did it for real money after a few more losses . On demo... Between 50-100 bonuses buy over 1000x 2 times. Super easy It's not normal to lose as much as I did... I reached 80,000-90,000 losses. starting from the minimum stake 0.8 up to 28 In 2 months or so. Without having over 1000x After 5-7 years of playing online slots. Now I am convinced that nothing is random. It is a total scam. You catch something big a few times... You can play whatever game you want, the casino won't give you anything anymore, not because the slots are random and you're unlucky. It's because they don't want to. Until you lose at least 2 or 3 times the money you won, you won't have anything big Better not play demo on another site. Now I'm really disappointed. I am also attaching the pictures of the demo game. One more time : 50000 losses between 0.8-15 stake 40000 losses 15-28 Many bonuses over 300. in the base game others...I really didn't keep track, there were so many. Stake increased only after bigger losses. I don't think anyone who has played this slot has more than 200 stiky wild bonuses without having more than 1000x. What else can I say about myself, about 500... Blackjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjax Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 41 minutes ago, Liverpool91 said: I decided to play demo exactly the same style as when I did it for real money after a few more losses . On demo... Between 50-100 bonuses buy over 1000x 2 times. Super easy It's not normal to lose as much as I did... I reached 80,000-90,000 losses. starting from the minimum stake 0.8 up to 28 In 2 months or so. Without having over 1000x After 5-7 years of playing online slots. Now I am convinced that nothing is random. It is a total scam. You catch something big a few times... You can play whatever game you want, the casino won't give you anything anymore, not because the slots are random and you're unlucky. It's because they don't want to. Until you lose at least 2 or 3 times the money you won, you won't have anything big Better not play demo on another site. Now I'm really disappointed. I am also attaching the pictures of the demo game. One more time : 50000 losses between 0.8-15 stake 40000 losses 15-28 Many bonuses over 300. in the base game others...I really didn't keep track, there were so many. Stake increased only after bigger losses. I don't think anyone who has played this slot has more than 200 stiky wild bonuses without having more than 1000x. What else can I say about myself, about 500... The main difference between demo and real play is RTP. I dont know what is the RTP on demo version but in real play it can range between 87% to 96% and that makes a huge difference. NEVER JUDGE A SLOT ON HOW IT PAYS IN DEMO VERSION. Maybe @Jelena_PragmaticPlay can tell us how RTP in demo version of pragmatic play slots works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flatzem Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 demo play and on ST are all at the highest RTP possible. for The Dog House it's 96.51% and The Dog House Megaways its 96.55% and for The Dog House multihold it's 96.06% for The Dog House dice show it 96.51% I've only had a 1000x+ on the Dog house multihold and that was at ST in a cash tourney. Blackjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelena_PragmaticPlay Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 6:01 PM, Blackjax said: The main difference between demo and real play is RTP. I dont know what is the RTP on demo version but in real play it can range between 87% to 96% and that makes a huge difference. NEVER JUDGE A SLOT ON HOW IT PAYS IN DEMO VERSION. Maybe @Jelena_PragmaticPlay can tell us how RTP in demo version of pragmatic play slots works. I can investigate this and come back with more details, of course Blackjax and cocopop3011 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelena_PragmaticPlay Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 On 8/12/2023 at 6:01 PM, Blackjax said: Maybe @Jelena_PragmaticPlay can tell us how RTP in demo version of pragmatic play slots works. Hi I'm back sorry it took me a while, been very busy week. But yea, can confirm - demo versions are based on the highest official RTP available on the particular game cocopop3011 and Blackjax 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjax Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jelena_PragmaticPlay said: Hi I'm back sorry it took me a while, been very busy week. But yea, can confirm - demo versions are based on the highest official RTP available on the particular game I hope its not against the company rules to discuss the lowest possible rtp. I am aware it can be as low as 87% but can it get worse than that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelena_PragmaticPlay Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/18/2023 at 5:00 PM, Blackjax said: I hope its not against the company rules to discuss the lowest possible rtp. I am aware it can be as low as 87% but can it get worse than that too? Hi @Blackjax what do you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjax Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Jelena_PragmaticPlay said: Hi @Blackjax what do you mean? The RTP at casinos. Some streamers discuss about Pragmatic rtp being chosen by casinos and it can be as low as 87%. Do you guys plan to take it lower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jelena_PragmaticPlay Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 On 8/21/2023 at 10:40 AM, Blackjax said: The RTP at casinos. Some streamers discuss about Pragmatic rtp being chosen by casinos and it can be as low as 87%. Do you guys plan to take it lower? Hey @Blackjax As far as I know each game comes with a set of 3 available RTPs and the lowest one is almost never under 94%. So to be honest, I'm not sure how to comment streamer discussions you're mentioning. Do you have some example I can take a look into? Blackjax 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackjax Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jelena_PragmaticPlay said: Hey @Blackjax As far as I know each game comes with a set of 3 available RTPs and the lowest one is almost never under 94%. So to be honest, I'm not sure how to comment streamer discussions you're mentioning. Do you have some example I can take a look into? It was about a few years back when MGA had set some new changes regarding minimum RTP. The streamers name I dont remember now but there was a clip I saw where they discussed minimum RTP of certain providers and included your name along with Playngo, thunderkick, nolimit and few others. Jelena_PragmaticPlay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 Some people still believe in what streamers say or do. I can never trust them...not what they say, not what they do, not even what they say about the games they win big on. Nothing more than propanda and twisting the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ales200 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 But I'm wondering why, as a Provident Pregmatic, you don't have the same rtp on all Casoinos? This does not seem fair to the players? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, ales200 said: But I'm wondering why, as a Provident Pregmatic, you don't have the same rtp on all Casoinos? This does not seem fair to the players? You should know that casinos have the right to use any of the 3 designated RTPs provided by Pragmatic. Each casino may choose a different RTP, hence the same games may perform differently at different casinos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ales200 Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 It's just not fair for one game, you have different chances of winning in different casinos, unfortunately some players don't even know what rtp is, I know two friends, but they have no idea about it, but they've been playing for several years, not to mention some providers who drop rtp to 90 or even lower this is unacceptable for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afi4wins Posted August 22, 2023 Share Posted August 22, 2023 27 minutes ago, ales200 said: It's just not fair for one game, you have different chances of winning in different casinos, unfortunately some players don't even know what rtp is, I know two friends, but they have no idea about it, but they've been playing for several years, not to mention some providers who drop rtp to 90 or even lower this is unacceptable for me! Bro, it is not providers who drop the games RTPs, but casinos choose the lowest RTP given. If casinos are using lower RTPs, then most probably the casinos themselves are lowering them, one way or another. A.I.s are the main culprit nowadays, changing the games behaviour by so much, that a player gets much lower RTPs than usual. Jelena_PragmaticPlay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool91 Posted September 7, 2023 Author Share Posted September 7, 2023 From 06.06.2023- 07.09.2023 same game The Dog House megaways Rounds played 42647 Bet 1061779 Paid 959735 Loss 102044 RTP 90.38% About 500 buy bonuses and a lot of bonuses received in the base game. I don't have an exact number but I think it's close to 1000 bonuses always sticky wild. Never had 1000x 2 times 700 x in bonus buy Once 900x also in bonus buy Once 700x in the base game These are the best payouts in all these Rounds. Considering that most of the bonuses paid maximum 50x and 10x 5x and so on. GO AHEAD and play any demo version you want on this game... There's no way you won't win 1000x in maximum 200 bonuses played. What more can I say in 1000 bonuses. You can't lose that much 102044 on stakes between 0.8 and 28. I had losses of up to 60,000 between 0.8 and 15 stakes. Raising the stake only after big losses. At the stakes I played, if I calculated the losses for each stake separately, there would be losses of at least 10000x. I have been playing slots constantly for 7 years. Almost daily, but I have never encountered anything like this before. Games with high variation pay a little but at some point from so many bonuses and Rounds you still have a 1000x I really tend to believe that it is not a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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