Evolution Gaming Live Blackjack Potentially Rigged

[markxsosa]

Hey everyone,

For the past 6 months or so, I've been playing live dealer blackjack on various sites. These include Jackpotcitycasino, Betway, Bet365, Casumo and Yukon Gold Casino. I've played thousands of hands, ranging from $5 bets to $1000, totalling around $100,000 (including winnings). I always play at Evolution Gaming tables. Since I started playing, I've noticed that as soon as I open an account, I immediately go on crazy win streaks, especially on side bets, where I'd win sometimes thousands a hand. However, these big win streaks are always followed by crazy long losing streaks, up until my last small bet, where I would win. I know that statistically the more you play, the more you're bound to lose after a win streak, but there are certain things I find suspicious about Evolution Gaming. The main issue I have is that I firmly believe that the software provider sends bots to tables when a big win or side bet win is coming. I've noticed this a countless amounts of times, where a "player" would join the table just as I am about to get some suited trips, three of a kind or a straight flush. If this person had not joined the lobby, I would have gotten a ridiculous win. Furthermore, there are often players with weird names, composed of random letters and numbers, that join games and play in an incredibly stupid way. For example, let's say I have a 20, dealer has a 16, and this random player has 19. There have been times where the player decides to hit on this high number, busting at 29, leading to the dealer getting 21. There are also times where the player splits 10's leading me to a loss, etc. This has happened a countless amount of times, and this is why I am convinced that bots are used. I do believe Evolution Blackjack legitimately shuffles the deck, but I do think the system knows the order of the cards. 

Obviously, I may just be upset at certain losses, but now when bot joins the lobby I have learned to reduce my two hands to just one and I still manage to get my win (or the bot decides to not play, in which case I win or lose).

What are your opinions on this matter?

[Flatzem]

39 minutes ago, markxsosa said:

Hey everyone,

For the past 6 months or so, I've been playing live dealer Blackjack on various sites. These include Jackpotcitycasino, Betway, Bet365, Casumo and Yukon Gold Casino. I've played thousands of hands, ranging from $5 bets to $1000, totalling around $100,000 (including winnings). I always play at Evolution Gaming tables. Since I started playing, I've noticed that as soon as I open an account, I immediately go on crazy win streaks, especially on side bets, where I'd win sometimes thousands a hand. However, these big win streaks are always followed by crazy long losing streaks, up until my last small bet, where I would win. I know that statistically the more you play, the more you're bound to lose after a win streak, but there are certain things I find suspicious about Evolution Gaming. The main issue I have is that I firmly believe that the software provider sends bots to tables when a big win or side bet win is coming. I've noticed this a countless amounts of times, where a "player" would join the table just as I am about to get some suited trips, three of a kind or a straight flush. If this person had not joined the lobby, I would have gotten a ridiculous win. Furthermore, there are often players with weird names, composed of random letters and numbers, that join games and play in an incredibly stupid way. For example, let's say I have a 20, dealer has a 16, and this random player has 19. There have been times where the player decides to hit on this high number, busting at 29, leading to the dealer getting 21. There are also times where the player splits 10's leading me to a loss, etc. This has happened a countless amount of times, and this is why I am convinced that bots are used. I do believe Evolution Blackjack legitimately shuffles the deck, but I do think the system knows the order of the cards.  

Obviously, I may just be upset at certain losses, but now when bot joins the lobby I have learned to reduce my two hands to just one and I still manage to get my win (or the bot decides to not play, in which case I win or lose). 

What are your opinions on this matter?

It is possible they could be using bots to just mess up the flow of the table and try tilt players and make them play worse and make it a more of a roller coaster experience, but as far as if they shuffle the deck properly and legit then how would the system know the order of the cards, is there something in the shoe that can read the RFID of each card, surely not. Have you noticed the weird name players at all table limits, cause you may want to move to higher table minimums, where all players will likely be playing optimal strategy.

[copyyy]

I mainly play live casinos, only Evolution the same as you. I know exactly what are you talking about and how some people play, and usually, those people splitting on 20 don't have side bets lol or the ones hitting on 18-19 like what??? and after one or two hands they don't place more bets and get disconnected, I keep losing so many hands because of people doing that so most of the times I just try to play alone.


Another thing is their Infinite/Freebet blackjack that I got destroyed so many times on by "people" hitting on 18-19 usually one or two "players" to make everyone lose, just to sit on the next hand like everyone else on 14-15-16 and watch dealer get 20-21 magically. Dunno honestly there are many accusations they are using the bots on infinite/free bet blackjack that I stop playing it at all.


Yet I still prefer Evolution over NetEnt and ezugi, just can't stand their design and that on NetEnt blackjack dealer gets the second card after player is done. Pragmatic is now into live casino too and they have blackjack tables, seeing them on almost every site now, you should try them and see how it goes/compare with Evolution in terms of "people" doing crazy stuff.

[markxsosa]

6 hours ago, Flatzem said:

It is possible they could be using bots to just mess up the flow of the table and try tilt players and make them play worse and make it a more of a roller coaster experience, but as far as if they shuffle the deck properly and legit then how would the system know the order of the cards, is there something in the shoe that can read the RFID of each card, surely not. Have you noticed the weird name players at all table limits, cause you may want to move to higher table minimums, where all players will likely be playing optimal strategy.

I don't think it's impossible that the shoot has an RFID reader in it. Also, I've seen this at table limits ranging from $10-100. Obviously, these aren't nearly the highest limit tables available, but I've definitely noticed a pattern with the way these other players join and play.

[markxsosa]

4 hours ago, copyyy said:

I mainly play live casinos, only Evolution the same as you. I know exactly what are you talking about and how some people play, and usually, those people splitting on 20 don't have side bets lol or the ones hitting on 18-19 like what??? and after one or two hands they don't place more bets and get disconnected, I keep losing so many hands because of people doing that so most of the times I just try to play alone.


Another thing is their Infinite/Freebet Blackjack that I got destroyed so many times on by "people" hitting on 18-19 usually one or two "players" to make everyone lose, just to sit on the next hand like everyone else on 14-15-16 and watch dealer get 20-21 magically. Dunno honestly there are many accusations they are using the bots on infinite/free bet Blackjack that I stop playing it at all.


Yet I still prefer Evolution over NetEnt and ezugi, just can't stand their design and that on NetEnt Blackjack dealer gets the second card after player is done. Pragmatic is now into Live Casino too and they have Blackjack tables, seeing them on almost every site now, you should try them and see how it goes/compare with Evolution in terms of "people" doing crazy stuff.

Yes, I totally agree. Evolution is by far the best. It's just so frustrating how these "players" join the games, play incredibly stupidly, and how they often join at times where I'd be otherwise getting a huge win. If it happened once in a while, I wouldn't think anything of it (mistakes happen). It's just that there is a visible pattern of this occurring over the course of my gambling. Such a pattern, that I've started to find it VERY suspicious.

[Flatzem]

8 hours ago, markxsosa said:

Yes, I totally agree. Evolution is by far the best. It's just so frustrating how these "players" join the games, play incredibly stupidly, and how they often join at times where I'd be otherwise getting a huge win. If it happened once in a while, I wouldn't think anything of it (mistakes happen). It's just that there is a visible pattern of this occurring over the course of my gambling. Such a pattern, that I've started to find it VERY suspicious.

now about those side bets that many casinos now have for live dealer black and for online computer blackjack have you done any tracking of those stats. These are known as "sucker bets" but I guess if you are running lucky then they will pay off at times (sometimes in clusters you will notice). I checked my last 319 rounds (6 decks)(did not play the sidebets tho) and this is what I get: This is with PP 25:1, Col: 12:1, Mix: 6:1... and 21+3 using 100:1/40:1/30:1/10:1/5:1.

21+3: flushes: 19, straights: 7, Trips: 1, Straight Flushes: 0, Suited Trips: 0... if played 21+3 side bet on all 319 rounds would have been a loss of -97e, RTP 69.60%

PairPlus: Mixed: 7, Coloured Pairs: 7, Perfect Pairs: 6, if played PairPlus side bet on all 319 rounds would have been a loss of -16e, RTP 95%

Combined we get a loss of -113e on side bets. on 319 rounds. RTP 82.29% (this is if playing just 1e on each side bet)

the 6 deck shoes should pay 30:1/15:1/7:1 and 8 deck shoes are 25:1/12:1/6:1...

best is when the shoe is 8 decks for the side bets.  grabbed this from elsewhere:  In a standard eight-deck game, where we have the best odds available, we have just a 1.7% chance of drawing a perfect pair and being paid out 25:1, with slightly better chances of drawing a coloured or mixed pair, at 1.9% and 3.9%, respectively. With a 92.5% chance of not drawing a pair, and significantly high house edges on each type of pair, don’t expect to make a profit in the long run with such a bet (as with any side bet), but to play it for the thrill and excitement, in the hope of getting lucky every now and then, certainly provides some additional fun.

[Flatzem]

one unusual stat that I have found in those 319 rounds is that the dealer was dealt an ace 23 times and not busted once (I busted first twice so still the dealer had a chance to bust 21 times but did not bust at all.) Dealer should have busted at least 3 times.

[imanorange]

Wow this post hits home for me and I'd like to thank the folks who have contributed so far. I do have experienced the same circumstances over and over. Not only that, the dealer also is showing a top card about 8 of 10 times (A-10). If it isn't any of those cards it's either a 9 or a 2. Rarely do you see them with a 6 or 5. If they do, they have an under card conveniently being a 4, 5 or 6 meaning when they turn it over it's either a 10 or an 11.

I've had sessions where I won 1 hand out of 10 mostly getting a 12, 13, 14 or 15 dealt to me. The dealer almost never busts and ends up with a perfect 21 far too many times than normal. I have played a lot of blackjack gambling most live for 30 years. I've never seen such a lack of 10s or As for the players. The dealer has no problem picking those cards up and I would say 7 out of 10 hands ends up with a 20 or 21.

I too have noticed very erratic players pop in and out of the table like popcorn. They will play one hand and leave or switch seats around you. This type of play should be banned as it destroys the flow of the cards. That and the ability to play more than 2 hands at a time. I believe the limit should be 2 hands as this is pretty standard.

Also there are times when the dealer seems to already know you are going to lose or they are going to win. Look at their faces and mannerisms closely and you can tell they know what card is coming next. On that note, search YouTube for blackjack cheats or online blackjack and you'll see some things that will make you think twice.

It looks to me like you guys know the percentages like I do and I can honestly say playing blackjack online with Evolution gaming is dodgy in my humble opinion.. I avoid them now especially the Free Bet and Infinite Blackjack, that is totally rigged.

I find playing Pragmatic and also Ezugi to be fair at the moment.

 

In regards to shuffling, I think that should be done transparently in front of the players along with the cut card for the shoot. Have dice to determine which player shall call a specific number or something transparent in nature like this.

[imanorange]

10 hours ago, Flatzem said:

one unusual stat that I have found in those 319 rounds is that the dealer was dealt an ace 23 times and not Busted once (I Busted first twice so still the dealer had a chance to bust 21 times but did not bust at all.) Dealer should have Busted at least 3 times.

 

How many times was blackjack the end result? I would imagine probably over 50 percent.

Another thing I'd like to point out is the unbelievable amount of horrible hands dealt to a full table with of course the dealer ending up with a 20, many times suited 10s, Js, Q or Ks. You look down at the table and everyone has either a 12 to 15 with one or two players with an 11. They double in some cases and of course get a 2,3 or 4. The other night, I saw a guy with 3/3 perfect pair. He split them and ended up get 4 3s in a row on the first hand making a 15. He hit it again and got a 5. His other hand resulted in 21 and when the dealer flipped over the under card it was a 6 making her hand 16. Of course a 5 from the deck comes out and everyone lost.

I played a lot of hands in Vegas in the late 1990s and early 2000s when there was no side betting except at the old Flamingo where they had pocket Queens of Hearts @ 25 to 1. This was the first time I saw a side bet and I asked the dealer what he thought. He just shook his head indicating it was a sucker bet which I knew already. Funny enough I had a lucky streak going and decided to put a 25 dollar green chip on it and it hit.

With that said regarding side bets, we used to make a lot of jokes about getting straight flushes and suited trips playing in Vegas as it seemed to happy quite often in live play. Rarely do you see this online,like once in a blue moon. Another thing I've noticed is when A's come out they are strung together like 3 or 4 in arow. When or if I see this it's time to go.

[Flatzem]

10 hours ago, imanorange said:

 

How many times was Blackjack the end result? I would imagine probably over 50 percent. 

Another thing I'd like to point out is the unbelievable amount of horrible hands dealt to a full table with of course the dealer ending up with a 20, many times suited 10s, Js, Q or Ks. You look down at the table and everyone has either a 12 to 15 with one or two players with an 11. They double in some cases and of course get a 2,3 or 4. The other night, I saw a guy with 3/3 perfect pair. He split them and ended up get 4 3s in a row on the first hand making a 15. He hit it again and got a 5. His other hand resulted in 21 and when the dealer flipped over the under card it was a 6 making her hand 16. Of course a 5 from the deck comes out and everyone Lost. 

I played a lot of hands in Vegas in the late 1990s and early 2000s when there was no side betting except at the old Flamingo where they had pocket Queens of Hearts @ 25 to 1. This was the first time I saw a side bet and I asked the dealer what he thought. He just shook his head indicating it was a sucker bet which I knew already. Funny enough I had a lucky streak going and decided to put a 25 dollar green chip on it and it hit. 

With that said regarding side bets, we used to make a lot of jokes about getting straight flushes and suited trips playing in Vegas as it seemed to happy quite often in live play. Rarely do you see this online,like once in a blue moon. Another thing I've noticed is when A's come out they are strung together like 3 or 4 in arrow. When or if I see this it's time to go. 

when dealer's upcard was Ace (23 times out of 319 rounds) the end result was a blackjack 6 times. Out of the 319 rounds, the dealer made blackjack 12 times, I had Blackjack 18 times. This is on a 6 deck shoe online computer blackjack not live dealer. Out of those 23 occasions when dealer had Ace upcard I won the round 7 times, dealer won 15 times, and push was 1 time. (I did take insurance twice and won both, I know I really shouldn't take insurance not worth it in long run unless you are card counting and the count is high enough to warrant it). Speaking of card counting online live dealer it's almost always 8 deck shoes and penetration of 50% so making card counting difficult. There was a stream I was watching last year and during the streamers blackjack session someone said in chat that some people have made many thousands doing card counting online at the evolution tables by monitoring the tables for a high count and only betting when the count is good. I guess they would do it in teams and check all the tables and then jump in either betting behind or if table has a spare seat. Don't know exact details of how they went about it but only betting when they had an advantage. Which might happen in some shoes when lots of low cards come out early and the count gets high enough and the shoe is rich in high cards.

I have seen someone say on a forum that they got accused by some online casino of card counting cause they had won about 1K in a session and they banned him from playing live dealer blackjack cause of it. He denied card counting but was probably just innocently varying his bet sizes and just made it look like he was card counting cause card counters have to change their bet sizes depending on the count.

 

[imanorange]

12 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

when dealer's upcard was Ace (23 times out of 319 rounds) the end result was a Blackjack 6 times. Out of the 319 rounds, the dealer made Blackjack 12 times, I had Blackjack 18 times. This is on a 6 deck shoe online computer Blackjack not live dealer. Out of those 23 occasions when dealer had Ace upcard I won the round 7 times, dealer won 15 times, and push was 1 time. (I did take insurance twice and won both, I know I really shouldn't take insurance not worth it in long run unless you are card counting and the count is high enough to warrant it). Speaking of card counting online live dealer it's almost always 8 deck shoes and penetration of 50% so making card counting difficult. There was a stream I was watching last year and during the streamers Blackjack session someone said in chat that some people have made many thousands doing card counting online at the Evolution tables by monitoring the tables for a high count and only betting when the count is good. I guess they would do it in teams and check all the tables and then jump in either betting behind or if table has a spare seat. Don't know exact details of how they went about it but only betting when they had an advantage. Which might happen in some shoes when lots of low cards come out early and the count gets high enough and the shoe is rich in high cards.

I have seen someone say on a forum that they got accused by some online casino of card counting cause they had won about 1K in a session and they banned him from playing live dealer Blackjack cause of it. He denied card counting but was probably just innocently varying his bet sizes and just made it look like he was card counting cause card counters have to change their bet sizes depending on the count.

 

I actually did a little research into the viability of playing blackjack online and whether or not it's legit. I came across several renowned card counting experts who all said pretty much the same thing you eluded to, the deck penetration is such that it's not a feasible undertaking. The conclusion most "professionals" came to was to stick with live games if you wish to generate a profit which was my thinking before even attempting an online session.

It's a much different game live IMHO and to be honest I have seen either the luckiest cards for the house on the planet or my luck is worse than death itself, perhaps something in between. I'll let the reader decide there.

The biggest turn off to me is the erratic and totally moronic play of other players. I do very well if it's just me and the dealer 1 on 1 or with another skilled player, however this is rare so I try to take advantage of a slow table when the chance arises. From my pretty extensive experience in live games, horrible players get razzed pretty well from the other people sitting on the table so it mitigates that aspect or playing at higher stakes tables normally eliminates that aspect but not always.

I wonder what casino that was who banned a player for varying his bet sizes. This is the only way to potentially walk away with winnings. This reminds me of a session the other night that I felt something was amiss. I go to a table with a $20 min and notice there are two players each with 4 wins in a row. So I sit down just as a round is ending. I quickly place a $40 bet and the cards are dealt and I get a blackjack.. Immediately after that hand ended, the other two players leave (I found that strange as they had each 5 wins in a row) and the dealer suddenly changes the shoe without any cutting card whatsoever.

I saw this and thought, something is not right so I bet the minimum $20.  I'm dealt an enticing 11 with the dealer showing a 10 and I declined to double and just took a hit and got a 6 making it a 17 to stand on. The dealer magically has a blackjack, go figure. 

 I immediately clicked off and went along my merry way.

Another thing I have found playing online is it's almost predictable when a losing streak comes on. Without fail, I have noticed when a dealer is hitting 21s and getting blackjacks they tend to tear the table apart. Just my observations so far as I really haven't seen many players make a lot of money, not like one might in a live atmosphere.  I don't like losing constantly so I tend to bolt from a table after losing a couple hands in row at $20 to $50 a round. On the $5 to $10 minimum tables I'll stick around trying to ride out any minefields but I must say they can be brutally long to the point of hopeless abandonment.

In any event, you might want to do some search on YouTube regarding online blackjack scams or cheats. You'll be surprised at what you see. Thanks for the knowledgeable and informative response, I appreciate you taking the time to do so. Cheers!

[Flatzem]

39 minutes ago, imanorange said:



 

I wonder what casino that was who banned a player for varying his bet sizes. 

Search engines show this result: After making a healthy living for the passed 3 years in the betfair casino specifically on blackjack I have received notification that as a result of them suspecting I have been card counting. I have been banned from that specific game. Obviously I have moved to an alternative casino but I do prefer the graphics on the BF site. Does anyone know who uses the same software?

you can put that into any search engine where you will find a link to that forum. But it was someone called Escobar on 20th Aug 2012. 

some of the responses were:

Tancred wrote on Sep 5, 2012: I don't think card counting worked on online casinos. They will also ban you if you win regularly, no matter how you do it.

Gorgeous George wrote on Sep 16, 2012: So if they only deal you one card aren't you allowed to say anything? They'll be banning people for reading the form before betting on the horses next. What about football? You are not allowed to look at the team selections until you have placed your bet. Remember the house always wins, unless it's the one you're sitting in playing online.

pattayaboy wrote on April 6, 2013: I now can't access the live casino.. Its saying please contact betfair helpdesk. Ive won about 1K are they stopping me playing because of that?? Cant even be bothered to call them because if they say im banned because im a winner and not a loser ill flip

 

 

[imanorange]

1 hour ago, Flatzem said:

Search engines show this result: After making a healthy living for the passed 3 years in the Betfair casino specifically on Blackjack I have received notification that as a result of them suspecting I have been card counting. I have been banned from that specific game. Obviously I have moved to an alternative casino but I do prefer the graphics on the BF site. Does anyone know who uses the same software?

you can put that into any search engine where you will find a link to that forum. But it was someone called Escobar on 20th Aug 2012. 

some of the responses were:

Tancred wrote on Sep 5, 2012: I don't think card counting worked on online casinos. They will also ban you if you win regularly, no matter how you do it.

Gorgeous George wrote on Sep 16, 2012: So if they only deal you one card aren't you allowed to say anything? They'll be banning people for reading the form before betting on the horses next. What about football? You are not allowed to look at the team selections until you have placed your bet. Remember the house always wins, unless it's the one you're sitting in playing online.

pattayaboy wrote on April 6, 2013: I now can't access the Live Casino.. Its saying please contact Betfair helpdesk. Ive won about 1K are they stopping me playing because of that?? Cant even be bothered to call them because if they say im banned because im a winner and not a loser ill flip

 

 

Wow man, nothing ceases to amaze me one bit. It sort of reminds me of a personal issue I'm having with a casino at the moment. They can't seem to allow me to withdrawal and want me to lose everything.

Just because the gentleman in question is savvy with the cards and won a $1000 bucks he gets banned? In the grand scheme o things that's not a lot of money or at least it shouldn't be to the casino offering $250 and up a hand tables. This literally could be anybody as many people are erratic or play on emotions going full tilt and in most cases losing. I saw a geezer do that a few weeks back, he was better 100 Euro a hand with side bets of 20 euro on three spots. He lost like 3 or 4 hands in row and brought his bets up to 500 Euros and he won! One of his side bets also hit str8 flush. I was happy for the guy and he did the right thing by leaving the table immediately.  Anybody with half a brain could tell the guy was fuming as the dealer kept hitting miracle cards with 6s showing.

I do not doubt the validity of the information you posted here one bit. Betfair my bloody *ss. 

I don't blame the guy for blowing it off and moving to greener pastures. On a personal note, I might know the guy as I have a condo in Pattaya and have lived in Thailand for 30 years. It's a small World among the foreign community in LOS (Land of Smiles) specifically Pats.

Cheers for posting that and I believe I know the forum in question. If I'm right, it gets a bit too political on several levels there for my tastes. I prefer to live and let live myself and not get personal.

[Flatzem]

4 hours ago, imanorange said:

Wow man, nothing ceases to amaze me one bit. It sort of reminds me of a personal issue I'm having with a casino at the moment. They can't seem to allow me to withdrawal and want me to lose everything.

Just because the gentleman in question is savvy with the cards and won a $1000 bucks he gets banned? In the grand scheme o things that's not a lot of money or at least it shouldn't be to the casino offering $250 and up a hand tables. This literally could be anybody as many people are erratic or play on emotions going full tilt and in most cases losing. I saw a geezer do that a few weeks back, he was better 100 Euro a hand with side bets of 20 euro on three spots. He Lost like 3 or 4 hands in row and brought his bets up to 500 Euros and he won! One of his side bets also hit str8 flush. I was happy for the guy and he did the right thing by leaving the table immediately.  Anybody with half a brain could tell the guy was fuming as the dealer kept hitting miracle cards with 6s showing.

I do not doubt the validity of the information you posted here one bit. Betfair my bloody *ss. 

I don't blame the guy for blowing it off and moving to greener pastures. On a personal note, I might know the guy as I have a condo in Pattaya and have lived in Thailand for 30 years. It's a small World among the foreign community in LOS (Land of Smiles) specifically Pats.

Cheers for posting that and I believe I know the forum in question. If I'm right, it gets a bit too political on several levels there for my tastes. I prefer to live and Let live myself and not get personal.

as I often check for blackjack videos on youtube I found this one today, some dude is using blackjack card counting software as he plays on evolution bj table at gunsbet casino. His Bj card counting software called Blackjack Card Counter has a variety of systems to choose from and displays the running count, true count, cards remaining in shoe, and all he does is click on the 0 (7,8,9), +1 (2,3,4,5,6), -1 (10,J,Q,K,A) buttons as he plays.   He doesn't start clicking on the software buttons until 10:45 into the video when a new shoe starts.  Makes me wonder how many other players are using these kinds of software for their live dealer blackjack gameplay. One doesn't need to use the software if you learn the counting system but this would be a lot more accurate as long as you don't mess up the buttons when you clicking.

 

[Flatzem]

Wanted to add that he has scrolling text saying "Bet behind me when you see +8 or more! (in various languages). Thus more people will benefit from his counting.

[Flatzem]

Went through a lot of his videos, the dude is from Cyprus and sometimes when the count is low he will just place a small bet and remove it in the last couple seconds before the bets close and repeat this over and over to save himself some money (but secures his seat) from having to play in neg counts other times when the count is negative he will just leave the table and find another table. You have to be quick to add up the cards when the dealer places all the cards on the table (he uses the mouse cursor to help with that), so if you see a few tens and aces then add them up, add up the 7's 8's and 9's and click the sum of that total on the appropriate button and same for any 2 to 6's , click them into the software and then as the dealer gives one card at a time you just click the button as required. Wonder how many thousands he has made doing this as he has videos going back to at least a year and yet I only just found his channel today even though I search through blackjack videos almost daily. Also he plays all kinds of music from bands like Queen, but yet I thought youtube would block those as they do on some channels for copyright reasons.

[copyyy]

@FlatzemJust curious how many videos that guy had to record to break 100e profit in 20-30min of playing, watching his videos and seems that he just wants to sell his "system" for 999eur LOL.

[Flatzem]

1 hour ago, copyyy said:

@FlatzemJust curious how many videos that guy had to record to break 100e profit in 20-30min of playing, watching his videos and seems that he just wants to sell his "system" for 999eur LOL.

that's outrageous and using Nicola Tesla's name to tout his system. He claims to be using Nicola Tesla Quantum Physics to bring him money. He even has some testimonials on his site that look fishy. All he does is use various card counting software (his current one is the coloured buttons) and moving from table to table and even changing seats at the same table. In one of the videos he was chatting to other players and telling the dealer to watch him after she finishes work. I've yet to see a video where he busts out his 300eur starting bank roll.

[copyyy]

I think the biggest mistake I do, is search for empty tables to play alone so people don't misplay and make me lose, etc. Just today from 25$ I got up to 200$(full table) and decided to find an empty table once again and lost 90% of the hands. Guess those tables are empty for a reason as usually I always get destroyed when I do it, curious about anyone else having the same outcomes in those situations?

[markxsosa]

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I’ve been playing again over the last few days and it keeps happening. As I’m about to get trips, some bot joins the table and I don’t get it. I was watching a Hypalinx video (casino streamer) and if you watch this video, the same thing happens to him at 42:56. You will see that someone joins the table with two hands, and the person to his right who had to hands leaves, making the new person get the three of a kind. This is exactly what I experience all the time.

https://youtu.be/-iaFtnTEK9c

[Flatzem]

On 1/18/2020 at 7:00 PM, copyyy said:

@FlatzemJust curious how many videos that guy had to record to break 100e profit in 20-30min of playing, watching his videos and seems that he just wants to sell his "system" for 999eur LOL.

So after 2 weeks or so of him not doing any videos/livestreams he then had a livestream session of 4 hours lastnight. I watched most of it, sometimes I'd leave and watch other videos and then returning to it, he started the stream with a balance of about 820eur, but then just after 4 hrs he busted out, making large bets that really shouldn't have been made considering the circumstances when it comes to the running/true counts, he doesn't stick strictly to the card counts and also makes some decisions that are just wrong (not just according to basic strategy but also according to the indices, for example standing on soft 17 vs 7, or splitting 10's vs dealer 5 when TC was less than 5).

I then thought what happens when a losing session like that occurs what will he do with the video? I got the answer when he deleted the video soon after the stream had ended! Yes it wouldn't look good to have a video showing yourself losing 820eur in a 4 hour session now would it when you are trying to sell a system for 999eur!

[Flatzem]

7 hours ago, markxsosa said:

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies. I’ve been playing again over the last few days and it keeps happening. As I’m about to get trips, some bot joins the table and I don’t get it. I was watching a Hypalinx video (casino streamer) and if you watch this video, the same thing happens to him at 42:56. You will see that someone joins the table with two hands, and the person to his right who had to hands leaves, making the new person get the three of a kind. This is exactly what I experience all the time.

https://youtu.be/-iaFtnTEK9c

then the very next hand Hypa gets perfect pair but doesn't have a side bet on it. If you could perhaps keep a list of player/bot names that you find blocking your trips. Something to watch out for if those same names do it to others then there could be something to it.

[copyyy]

11 hours ago, Flatzem said:

So after 2 weeks or so of him not doing any videos/livestreams he then had a livestream session of 4 hours lastnight. I watched most of it, sometimes I'd leave and watch other videos and then returning to it, he started the stream with a balance of about 820eur, but then just after 4 hrs he Busted out, making large bets that really shouldn't have been made considering the circumstances when it comes to the running/true counts, he doesn't stick strictly to the card counts and also makes some decisions that are just wrong (not just according to basic strategy but also according to the indices, for example standing on soft 17 vs 7, or splitting 10's vs dealer 5 when TC was less than 5).

I then thought what happens when a losing session like that occurs what will he do with the video? I got the answer when he deleted the video soon after the stream had ended! Yes it wouldn't look good to have a video showing yourself losing 820eur in a 4 hour session now would it when you are trying to sell a system for 999eur!

Exactly as I said those people doing it are just trying to earn a quick buck with selling those "system" there are so many people doing it for roulette etc that no one believes it anymore. I'm not saying his system doesn't work it may help if you know what are you doing but it still won't make you win and 999e is just absurd price, I'm pretty sure if you search on forums or somewhere you'll find a similar program that is free or much cheaper.

I'm curious myself did that guy manage to sell that system to someone and how much money he made.

[Flatzem]

16 minutes ago, copyyy said:

Exactly as I said those people doing it are just trying to earn a quick buck with selling those "system" there are so many people doing it for Roulette etc that no one believes it anymore. I'm not saying his system doesn't work it may help if you know what are you doing but it still won't make you win and 999e is just absurd price, I'm pretty sure if you search on forums or somewhere you'll find a similar program that is free or much cheaper.

I'm curious myself did that guy manage to sell that system to someone and how much money he made. 

he put the video back up and named it "When You Play TOO Many Hours Blackjack!"

now as far did anyone pay 999eur for a tesla system? supposedly this girl here is one of the customers but really would you believe it? her eyes are shifting around as if to say "no" when she speaks of winning 600 every session she goes to the casino. wonder if there are some sites where you can pay people to say something you want if you are trying to sell some things. to make it look like a testimonial. maybe he found some tourist and said hey come with me I pay you if you just speak to camera for a few seconds saying how much you love my system.

 

 

[copyyy]

@FlatzemYeah it is definitely fake, there are so many sites that you can pay people 10-15$ and they'll do this type of videos, fiver,microworkers. Nowadays it's even hard to trust some of the reviews as you can rack up 500 positive reviews for like 200-300$ on some of those sites.
 

Look at comments on that video, 0 dislikes everything positive 100% paid people to comment and like.