Does anyone actually buy into bonuses?

[skarni]

I'll admit I've won on free no deposit bonuses at couple sites (about $400 cashed out between 777 Casino and Casino Brango sign up bonuses to be specific) but does anyone actually buy the bonus amounts with the ridiculous wagering?

I get emails all the time from this casino or that casino with bonuses up to 600% but really what's the point? If I turn 20 into 120 but 100 of it needs to be wagered 50x or whatever then am I not basically just throwing my money away? The chances are very, very slim to actually go on a winning streak big enough to cash out on that. Especially with wagering rules to make sure you cant spin too high an amount the sites usually have.

The worst example I can think of is Bingo Hall. This is a free chip bonus but I think it's relevant. 25$ free chip with 25x wagering. Sounds reasonable right? I went on a big winning streak, betting low and all and should have nearly been there but when I checked my account after HOURS of winnings I was only 2% into the bonus!

 I went on livechat and it turns out, after much prodding and prying about the math, that on Bingo Hall only 0.6% of what you wager on slots is applied to the 25x wagering.  100/0.6 = 166.66 and 166.66 x 25 = 4166.5x wagering. Absolutely staggering that I later managed a whole 3% by the time I lost it all.  It's despicable honestly, and the livechat  guy said I should just make a deposit so as not to be subjected to the 0.6% BS. Like I'd trust a site with my real hard earned money when it actively practices scam bonuses. Could literally win a dozen jackpots and never make that bonus cash out.

I don't even know what their maximum cashout is. Probably like 50 cents lol and minimum 5000 withdrawal with 4999 transfer fee lol. Just joking but still.

Anyway I'm becoming very very wary of most of the casinos online because of this issue with the bonuses being their main selling point but really its but a dream to expect to win. Some sites have no wagering bonuses which are the one I mainly stick to now. Playojo and Rizk have been good to me. So has piggybang. Im thinking of playing more casino brango or 777 but never again with the bonuses unless its absolutely free chip since I know they cash out and in good time.

Been waiting on Fairgo to get my documents approved since I managed the playthrough on some free Christmas spins and even made the $100AUD minimum required to withdraw. I have a funny feeling about this for some reason, like it's not going to pan out cause its been awhile with no response.

Anyway my point is wagering bonuses are a scam and truly designed to make the casinos more money when the players almost inevitably lose it all to the playthrough requirements.

Agree? Disagree? I don't think all bonuses are bad and its all impossible all the time since I've cashed out a couple times, but it's not a good system to play if you're paying into it.

 

 

[Flatzem]

Some players like the challenge of beating the wagering requirements and gives them more playtime.

[cocopop3011]

3 hours ago, skarni said:

I'll admit I've won on free no deposit bonuses at couple sites (about $400 cashed out between 777 Casino and Casino Brango sign up bonuses to be specific) but does anyone actually buy the bonus amounts with the ridiculous wagering?

I get emails all the time from this casino or that casino with bonuses up to 600% but really what's the point? If I turn 20 into 120 but 100 of it needs to be wagered 50x or whatever then am I not basically just throwing my money away? The chances are very, very slim to actually go on a winning streak big enough to cash out on that. Especially with wagering rules to make sure you cant Spin too high an amount the sites usually have.

The worst example I can think of is Bingo Hall. This is a free chip bonus but I think it's relevant. 25$ free chip with 25x wagering. Sounds reasonable right? I went on a big winning streak, betting low and all and should have nearly been there but when I checked my account after HOURS of winnings I was only 2% into the bonus!

 I went on livechat and it turns out, after much prodding and prying about the math, that on Bingo Hall only 0.6% of what you wager on slots is applied to the 25x wagering.  100/0.6 = 166.66 and 166.66 x 25 = 4166.5x wagering. Absolutely staggering that I later managed a whole 3% by the time I Lost it all.  It's despicable honestly, and the livechat  guy said I should just make a deposit so as not to be subjected to the 0.6% BS. Like I'd trust a site with my real hard earned money when it actively practices scam bonuses. Could literally win a dozen jackpots and never make that bonus cash out.

I don't even know what their maximum cashout is. Probably like 50 cents lol and minimum 5000 withdrawal with 4999 transfer fee lol. Just joking but still.

Anyway I'm becoming very very wary of most of the casinos online because of this issue with the bonuses being their main selling point but really its but a dream to expect to win. Some sites have no wagering bonuses which are the one I mainly stick to now. Playojo and Rizk have been good to me. So has piggybang. Im thinking of playing more casino brango or 777 but never again with the bonuses unless its absolutely free chip since I know they cash out and in good time.

Been waiting on Fairgo to get my documents approved since I managed the playthrough on some free Christmas spins and even made the $100AUD minimum required to withdraw. I have a funny feeling about this for some reason, like it's not going to pan out cause its been awhile with no response.

Anyway my point is wagering bonuses are a scam and truly designed to make the casinos more money when the players almost inevitably lose it all to the playthrough requirements.

Agree? Disagree? I don't think all bonuses are bad and its all impossible all the time since I've cashed out a couple times, but it's not a good system to Play if you're paying into it.

 

 

Was the bonus mainly for bingo games then and that is the reason the wagering percentage was so low on slots?

[skarni]

1 hour ago, cocopop3011 said:

Was the bonus mainly for Bingo games then and that is the reason the wagering percentage was so low on slots?

Bingo is 4%. Still super super low.

[ValDes]

Hello there @skarni and welcome to AskGamblers Forum.  

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Does anyone actually buy into bonuses?

The answer is categorically Yes! Approx. 3 out of  4 regular online punters would prefer using a bonus on a casino deposit instead of playing bonus-free. 

"Bonus is dead" was a mantra circulating across all major gambling forums, including ours, for quite some time and yet, bonuses are actually more alive than ever.   

As for all the 'party-time' coming with bonuses and namely, the insane amount of requirements, rules and terms to follow which some/most online casinos would apply upon using one, well, feel free to search a bit across the forum, pretty sure you'll find countless forum threads dedicated to the matter... Bottom line, both players and regulators are 'pushing' for more clarity and fairness but obviously, most casino operators have a long road ahead till getting there. 

[pinnit2015]

3 hours ago, ValDes said:

Hello there @skarni and welcome to AskGamblers Forum.  

The answer is categorically Yes! Approx. 3 out of  4 regular online punters would prefer using a bonus on a casino deposit instead of playing bonus-free. 

"Bonus is dead" was a mantra circulating across all major gambling forums, including ours, for quite some time and yet, bonuses are actually more alive than ever.   

As for all the 'party-time' coming with bonuses and namely, the insane amount of requirements, rules and terms to follow which some/most online casinos would apply upon using one, well, feel free to search a bit across the forum, pretty sure you'll find countless forum threads dedicated to the matter... Bottom line, both players and regulators are 'pushing' for more clarity and fairness but obviously, most casino operators have a long road ahead till getting there. 

Are they though?

Sweden  -Gone.

UK wise - i reckon Bonus offerings have at least halved in the last 18months-2 years:

Redbets 2 100%-200% weeklys have now become one 50%

Slotsmillions - 2 weekly 100% became one 25%. Then became zero

Vera John before they left offered 2  week and then nothing. 

Casumo used to dish out 250% ones, now ur lucky to see 30%

And so on....

The paying of tax of bonus amounts has hit casinos here hard so it was natural these would be wound down.

[skarni]

So I was correct about fairgo giving me the runaround on their bonus. They dont like my Ontario Photo ID and have asked for both pictures and selfies with alternate photo ID, specifically a drivers license or passport. I have neither, just my Ontario Photo ID which is perfectly valid, legal, and approved on several other casinos I have used.

I may be heading into the complaints section in a few days if they dont respond to my e-mail with good news in good time.

UPDATE: So I've gone into livechat with someone named Tim and he contacted the team in charge or processing ID. They instead requested that I send in a selfie with the ID which was rejected prior since I dont have anything alternate or a birth cerftificate. I've copied and pasted the chat for my records. I've sent my selfie.

Not meaning to derail the topic of the thread with this but it's important for me to take note and keep records.

[cocopop3011]

21 hours ago, skarni said:

Bingo is 4%. Still super super low.

So, no games at all are 100% contribution? 

[skarni]

2 hours ago, cocopop3011 said:

So, no games at all are 100% contribution? 

None.

[ValDes]

On 12/7/2019 at 10:40 AM, pinnit2015 said:

Are they though?

Sweden  -Gone.

UK wise - i reckon Bonus offerings have at least halved in the last 18months-2 years:

Redbets 2 100%-200% weeklys have now become one 50%

Slotsmillions - 2 weekly 100% became one 25%. Then became zero

Vera John before they left offered 2  week and then nothing. 

Casumo used to dish out 250% ones, now ur lucky to see 30%

And so on....

The paying of tax of bonus amounts has hit casinos here hard so it was natural these would be wound down.

The OP was rather referring to whether players are using bonuses or not upon depositing and not to potential drop of common bonus amounts, etc.  And the answer is categorical Yes. 

Agree with all your findings though. Although Swedish players (and lots and lots of UK punters as well ) are now simply massively preferring to play with operators who might even not be duly licensed but offer quick withdrawals and generous bonus offers with crypro-currencies.  That's in case you are still wondering why so many of these operators are popping up like mushrooms after a heavy rain... 

[cocopop3011]

Then I would suggest moving on to a different casino because there are ‘good’ bonuses out there! 

[skarni]

On 12/8/2019 at 10:45 AM, cocopop3011 said:

Then I would suggest moving on to a different casino because there are ‘good’ bonuses out there! 

Look how big this bonus is. 500% 5 times.

Deposit 20. Get 120. At 0.6 percent 100 of it is 166.66x25 wagering = 4166.5x 100 = $416650 to unlock the bonus.. 

Anyway yes I'll be taking my business elsewhere. I still get a ton of free chips from them so may play solely for fun but that's all.

[skarni]

21Dukes and its sister sites have decent freespins bonuses except it's 25$ maximum cashout. with $50 minimum to withdraw. I've made the bonus twice, with $25 still sitting in one of the sister sites but have yet to cash out. I have a strong feeling I'd be pegged a bonus abuser or something anyway since multiple associated sites are sending me 25 freespins every other day and I tend to play them all.

It's all fun and games. I'm actually starting to find myself wanting to gamble for real less and less lately since my last losing streak. I got antsy because Rizk all of a sudden wanted a ton of documents from me for a second round of getting approved on my second withdrawal. I was overall ahead at the time but honestly thought I was just being screwed around so I reversed the withdrawal, blew it and went on a minor losing streak elsewhere. Few days later after some hassle uploading and re-uploading documents Rizk finally approved me again.

Should've just left it alone I guess but I'm so paranoid that I'm going to get screwed by these sites I already considered it gone!  I see so many bad experiences with people getting completely boned for needing insane documentation as soon as they hit it big, cant withdraw into users specific bank (even when its happened before), or they played "irregularly" by changing bets, accounts frozen at withdrawal time for no reason, fake claims that accounts are connected to other "fraud" accounts, etc. I could never play that one site someone posted here for being a forum member? I read the complaints section often.

PlayOJO is about the only site I truly trust right now. Jackpotcity is decent too. But I'm not exactly rolling in cash so I need to be more careful from now on. 

 

[Afi4wins]

I got banned by 21 Dukes for bonus abusing, hahaha, so I then closed my account! That goes for all other casinos that tried to put me in such similar situations, hence almost no more playing at European casinos, except at Asian-based ones. 

[Efti]

On 12/6/2019 at 10:40 PM, skarni said:

Anyway I'm becoming very very wary of most of the casinos online because of this issue with the bonuses being their main selling point but really its but a dream to expect to win.

It wasn't always this way, of course  When I started playing online casino way back when, bonuses had far lower wagering requirements and fewer game/bet restrictions.

I routinely cashed out on almost all the match deposit promos I claimed before table games were effectively banned from contributing to WR, which at the time was usually no higher than x20.

Now it's all about bonuses being graciously granted by casinos in order to 'extend playing time' - in reality, to trap customers into draining away their funds on high house edge slots with a snowball's chance in ***** of completing the almost impossible playthrough 

[skarni]

1 hour ago, Efti said:

It wasn't always this way, of course  When I started playing online casino way back when, bonuses had far lower wagering requirements and fewer game/bet restrictions.

I routinely cashed out on almost all the match deposit promos I claimed before table games were effectively banned from contributing to WR, which at the time was usually no higher than x20.

Now it's all about bonuses being graciously granted by casinos in order to 'extend playing time' - in reality, to trap customers into draining away their funds on high house edge slots with a snowball's chance in ***** of completing the almost impossible playthrough 

I can't speak for years ago because I only started messing around with online gambling in October but I just got some some positive news from piggybang.

 

In other news, I think Bingo Hall wants me dead. 

[Royalik]

I personally take the bonus on some sites because I play it more fun than getting rich

[cocopop3011]

18 minutes ago, Royalik said:

I personally take the bonus on some sites because I play it more fun than getting rich

Not entirely sure that makes a lot of sense. 

[Afi4wins]

5 hours ago, cocopop3011 said:

Not entirely sure that makes a lot of sense. 

Maybe Royalik is one of the rare players that aren't worried about losing their money...just wanna have fun! 

[cocopop3011]

19 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

Maybe Royalik is one of the rare players that aren't worried about losing their money...just wanna have fun! 

Aha! How the other half live!

[3.14ace]

Are bonuses bad? When I look for an online casino, I consider an advantage the ones who give bonuses.

[Fiekie247]

5 hours ago, 3.14ace said:

Are bonuses bad? When I look for an online casino, I consider an advantage the ones who give bonuses.

Depends who you play with and what the wagering requirements are including terms and conditions like restricted games etc.

If a casino has wagering on bonus amount only from x40 or lower and a huge selection of providers and not alot of game restrictions, then I would consider it to be worth while.

However, with recent providers lower RTP versions being presented at some casinos lately, you struggle to get decent hits these days. Especially Play N Go.

[3.14ace]

On 12/19/2019 at 2:14 PM, Fiekie247 said:

Depends who you play with and what the wagering requirements are including terms and conditions like restricted games etc.

If a casino has wagering on bonus amount only from x40 or lower and a huge selection of providers and not alot of game restrictions, then I would consider it to be worth while.

However, with recent providers lower RTP versions being presented at some casinos lately, you struggle to get decent hits these days. Especially Play N Go.

Thanks! I got it!

[Efti]

On 12/10/2019 at 9:47 PM, skarni said:

I can't speak for years ago because I only started messing around with online gambling in October but I just got some some positive news from piggybang.

Not familiar with that site but it's good news indeed if they're moving towards a more player-friendly rewards system