Askgambler still think Martingale is an abuse?

[immo2014]

As I am reading around I saw that one player didnt get the money about "Martingale" abuse and that makes me laugh. Its well known fact that there is no working Martingale system and therefor you cant abuse a nonworking system

I see that some casinos try to prevent payout with "Martingale abuse" but I was more surprised that askgamlersteeam did believed that there is a working Martingale system which you can abuse and thus the nonpayout was correct.

 

I read that issue was 2012 but is this error still valid?

 

I strong suggest out any casinos with "Martingale abuse" into a blacklist as its breaks fundamentals of fair gaming!

 

 no casino in las vegas would even start to try telling "we dont pay because you are using Martingale system" every judge would laugh hard about the casino and the casino could basically close the doors as serious gamlers would not play again there

 

[LeoDubbed]

Well, I know a little bit about Martingale system and the way I see it, the chance of winning or losing is even on every bet despite the stakes and that's very true. But when you're double the stake each time you lose, you will eventually win. For example : Roulette, the chance of the ball landing on red or black is even. So if you bet on red constantly, you will eventually win because the ball will land on red sometime. Repeating the betting strategy will make some profit on the long run. You say this system doesn't work but you know better.

[immo2014]

Martingale does not work at all. it gives you no advantage and any casino which dont pay out because of "Martingale detection" should be asap blacklisted

This is not my opionion this is prooven math confirmed by any serious casino

[LeoDubbed]

Martingale does not work at all. it gives you no advantage and any casino which dont pay out because of "Martingale detection" should be asap blacklisted

This is not my opionion this is prooven math confirmed by any serious casino

Imagine that you are the casino owner and as an owner you see a player keep betting on red and double his stake each time he loses till he wins and start all over again each time he wins. In a land based casino they have limited the stake to some amount. Limiting the amount must means something, right? If the betting system didn't work, then betting limitation is not necessary.

[immo2014]

Martingale dont work. Its simple math. Search google

[volendam101]

Its redicilious to forbid Maringale playing with roulette. Its not a winning system because of the maximum stake, as simple as as that.

It would only be a winning system if you were alllowed to double your losing streak forever....which is capped.

 

On a side note, if any casino has it written in their tc s that its forbidden to play a martingale system up to maximum, then they should be backlisted  to my opinion yes, but in that case forums like AG and others will support casinos in wihdraw disputes. Only reason : its in their tc s and you re supposed to read them first before you start playing.

[MacdoniS]

Depending on what you will play Immo. if you will play roulette this system in a theory will work but not as fancy as you think. The reason why it will not work at all is because the configuration of it is different from the perfect computation of martingale. Anyway, just play fair because no matter what we cheat to a casino they will notice it and will result a lifetime ban without compensation of any withdrawal. 

Please take note that "martingale system" is not really a system and not "considered" as a system of calculation. 

[Raptordinos]

As I am reading around I saw that one player didnt get the money about "Martingale" abuse and that makes me laugh. Its well known fact that there is no working Martingale system and therefor you cant abuse a nonworking system

I see that some casinos try to prevent payout with "Martingale abuse" but I was more surprised that askgamlersteeam did believed that there is a working Martingale system which you can abuse and thus the nonpayout was correct.

 

I read that issue was 2012 but is this error still valid?

 

I strong suggest out any casinos with "Martingale abuse" into a blacklist as its breaks fundamentals of fair gaming!

 

 no casino in las vegas would even start to try telling "we dont pay because you are using Martingale system" every judge would laugh hard about the casino and the casino could basically close the doors as serious gamlers would not play again there

 

Its redicilious to forbid Maringale playing with roulette. Its not a winning system because of the maximum stake, as simple as as that.

It would only be a winning system if you were alllowed to double your losing streak forever....which is capped.

 

On a side note, if any casino has it written in their tc s that its forbidden to play a martingale system up to maximum, then they should be backlisted  to my opinion yes, but in that case forums like AG and others will support casinos in wihdraw disputes. Only reason : its in their tc s and you re supposed to read them first before you start playing.

I agree; sooner or later Martingala system or method, it will make you lose your whole deposit for sure, so why they forbid players to use it. That has no sense for me.

 

In any case, they're a lot of casinos that allow bet systems based on Martingala progressions (positive and negative) so I think this shouldn't be something to worry about.

[ValDes]

As I am reading around I saw that one player didnt get the money about "Martingale" abuse and that makes me laugh. Its well known fact that there is no working Martingale system and therefor you cant abuse a nonworking system

I see that some casinos try to prevent payout with "Martingale abuse" but I was more surprised that askgamlersteeam did believed that there is a working Martingale system which you can abuse and thus the nonpayout was correct.

 

I read that issue was 2012 but is this error still valid?

 

I strong suggest out any casinos with "Martingale abuse" into a blacklist as its breaks fundamentals of fair gaming!

 

 no casino in las vegas would even start to try telling "we dont pay because you are using Martingale system" every judge would laugh hard about the casino and the casino could basically close the doors as serious gamlers would not play again there

 

Well, I don't really think there are many online operators out there who would go without that specific 'irregular gaming pattern' rule listed somewhere within their Terms&Conditions page. Now, whether you and me consider the so called 'Martingale' betting system as a typical example of the aforementioned irregular gaming pattern or not is a matter open for further discussions and interpretations. The thing is that once that system is duly and clearly listed as forbidden within the casino terms then all interpretations go to the background and what really matters is the fact whether player accepted the terms or not. If you are not happy with the casino rules, well then, you should not register and play there and vise versa, once you accepted the rules you must follow these. Simple and clear.  

 

Regardless the fairness of a particular casino term, I believe the best help and assistance you could receive from the relevant regulatory body which first approved these terms and allowed the casino to use them

[immo2014]

there is no working roulette system working on this planet

every casino which trys to scam payout with any kind of betting system abuse complain should blacklisted straigt away

 

there is no excuse

 

every complain from any casino about "illegal playing system" in roulette is fake and scam

 

I would escalete any roulette sysstem abuse claim by any regulation direct to regulation to get the licence revoked

 

this is a serious issue when you dont pay out correct winnings

[ValDes]

Good luck then!  

 

Would greatly appreciate if you could keep us updated once you submit a formal complaint in front of the relevant regulatory body. 

[volendam101]

Dear ValDes, I agree with you . If one accepts t and c s you have to play according to these.

What I would like to know from you , do you find it fair to forbid playing with Martingale system, do you think this is in favour of the player  considering the max bet rule.

Thanks in advance for your personal opinion. greets

[casinopro]

I really dont agree that the Martin Gale system doesnt work. It is not a 100% secure system to beat the casino but it still works to "increase" the winning chances. Even if it does so by 0.01 % its still working if working means improving your winning chances but ofcourse its not working if you want it to mean " a system to rob the online casinos"

[volendam101]

Dear casinopro,  problem is that Martingale system does not give you 0,01 percent advantage when playing.

Just imaging, you put 20 dollars on black...  Red colour falls . Right, then you have to gambe with 40 on black again, and so on and on. Just to get even, mind you.

I can tell you from own experience its very good possible  that Red will fall 8, 10 times, even more after each other. Dont forget maximum stake !

And there is also the 0 , Zero .....  I agree with the person here above, there is no system for Roulette  to win.

[LeoDubbed]

Dear casinopro,  problem is that Martingale system does not give you 0,01 percent advantage when playing.

Just imaging, you put 20 dollars on black...  Red colour falls . Right, then you have to gambe with 40 on black again, and so on and on. Just to get even, mind you.

I can tell you from own experience its very good possible  that Red will fall 8, 10 times, even more after each other. Dont forget maximum stake !

And there is also the 0 , Zero .....  I agree with the person here above, there is no system for Roulette  to win.

If red will fall 8 out of 10 then you should bet on red, right?   

The thing is if it was true about 8 out of 10, then betting a lower stake like $5 on red or black will results a winning in the end of the day. You might think, $5 is not much but if you can win $5 every 5 minutes, imagine how much you win after several hours playing?

[immo2014]

There is no Martingale system period (its simple math)

every casino which is hiding should be blacklisted

[ValDes]

There is no Martingale system period (its simple math)

every casino which is hiding should be blacklisted

 

Well, everyone is entitled an opinion after all, thanks for sharing yours. 

 

I don't see your commenting on the fact that these terms were in fact approved by the relevant regulatory body.  

[BP1369]

Let me explain it with an example. imagine you have 64 euro and you want to increase it to 128 euro. There are two methods:

1- you can bet  all of your money on one color lets say black and as we all know the win chance is almost 50%. 

2- Using the Martingale method: it doesn't matter which stake you start with because if you start with 1 euro you need 64 times win to reach to the desired 120 euro and if you choose 0.5 euro as the initial stake you need 128 wins to increase your balance from 64 to 128.  Lets say you choose 1 euro as the initial stake which is supposed to increase in case of any lose.  since you have 64 euro in your balance if you lose 6 consecutive time you would be out of your balance (1 Euro , 2 Euro , 4 Euro , 8 Euro , 16 Euro, 32 Euro ) total =63 euro . the question is what is the probability of losing 6 times consecutively. it is 1/ 64. which means if you play 64 hands you would definitely face 6 consecutive of a color and since there are two colors the probability of lose is 1/128. As I said you need to play 64 hands to double up your money from 64 to 128. and the chance of lose is 1/128 

therefor the chance of win is again 50%. 

 

So from mathematical point of view the chance of win is exactly equal. But the question is why this method seems lovable and you feel more confident when you are using this method. Because actually you are not reducing the lose probability by using this method you are breaking down it. For example in the previous example the probability of losing in one hand (increase balance from 64 to 128) is 50%. But if you break down it to 64 hands the probability of losing in each hand is 0.7 % how ever at the same time you are decrease the win amount from 64 Euro in one hand to 1 Euro in hand. It seems more safe. 

 

The question you might want to ask is that : if the chance of win is the same why they put limit size for the table. Because they don't want to allow you to break down the probability of the lose and the wining amount too much. if you break down it to 15 consecutive lose. the probability of the lose in each hand is 0.0001 ( by saying lose I mean losing all of your balance in 15 consecutive hands , it is obvious that in each hand the probability of lose is 50%).  By this method, actually you are making a jackpot slot for the casino owner. if he hits the jackpot you would lose a lot of money. But it is really rare and improbable. 

 

So I absolutely agree with you. Setting a limit size for the table and banning the player at the same time is a cheat from the casino. 

[pinnit2015]

No one can possibly win at roulette unless he steals money from the table while the croupier isn't looking - Albert Einstein

 

But what did he know.  

[volendam101]

I quote BP1369 here :

the question is what is the probability of losing 6 times consecutively. it is 1/ 64.

unquote.

 

I dont understand this, I think its 6 times 50 percent, when playing red or black. A little bit less considering the 0 Zero.

 

You can only win with Martingale if there would be no max bet per round.