Netent software in my eyes is cheating

[AceofSpades]

I use to cash out when i double my money. On Netent this havent happend on my last 30 deposits or so. I had another terrible session on friday. Money lostt in less than an hour. 150 euros on 1 euro spin. 2 free spins that payed disgusting x5(JATBS) and x8 Gonzo. , Played some other software as well, but with no luck. I have gambled for years, but now I need to stop. Cant afford to only loose on every deposit without even getting entertainment. 

[nicole1983]

I am so happy that i am not the only one who are losing all the time because i was afraid that nobody believe me.

Today i try again blackjack exposure 10 euro bet each time and starting with 300. Of course same program dealer 14 blackjacks

and me 3 blackjacks. Bank busted on 15 or 16   5 times from the 22 times. Me when i got 12 or more almost Always busted.

Viva la cheating and manipulating netent

[sorenjo]

I have to disagree. I play netent almost exclusively. As soon as yesterday I placed a 15 euro bet and won 2000 euros and I have about 5000 euros this week alone at high stakes.

[hajnrih]

Yeah that's one in a million. Yesterday got my balance up to 700 euros playing bets no more than 1.50. When i started playing bets on 4 and 5 euros a total nightmare. Went bust in about an hour. This always happens with NetEnt slots.

[ValDes]

Yeah that's one in a million. Yesterday got my balance up to 700 euros playing bets no more than 1.50. When i started playing bets on 4 and 5 euros a total nightmare. Went bust in about an hour. This always happens with NetEnt slots.

 

Playing any video slot with bets of 4 and even 5 bucks when your balance is equal to 100 x bet or close to that is definitely a serious risk. You would go bust most of the time... 

[hajnrih]

Playing any video slot with bets of 4 and even 5 bucks when your balance is equal to 100 x bet or close to that is definitely a serious risk. You would go bust most of the time... 

Yes it's a risk but getting 3 bonus rounds on dazzle which pay lower that 10 x bet and getting the wild feature 2 times with no win at all, including not having a win in base play over 10 x bet. Even on Marvel jackpots in 100 spins you are sure to get at least 5-6 5 of a kind wins.....

[ValDes]

Yes it's a risk but getting 3 bonus rounds on dazzle which pay lower that 10 x bet and getting the wild feature 2 times with no win at all, including not having a win in base play over 10 x bet. Even on Marvel jackpots in 100 spins you are sure to get at least 5-6 5 of a kind wins.....

 

Nothing is 'sure' when it comes to online casino games controlled by a Random Number Generator. You could get not 5-6 but 50-60 decent wins within the first/last 100 spins and a total bust within the other spins of your session...

 

Anyways, my point is not to argue with anyone here, but to claim for some common sense and rational logic when discussing this matter, that's all.

 

I am suffering a massive losing streak with NetEnt slots myself recently, kissing $2K a goodbye in less than 7 weeks. And what? Should I start crying out that NetEnt is cheating? To start doubting their business only because me and a bunch of other guys lost with their games over a period of time? Let's be serious, please! We are all serious players here, with lots of experience and a decent amount and quality of knowledge of how the whole casino machine is working. Yes, I hate when NetEnt rolls an update which obviously change the payout cycle for a game I used to know better than my own teeth. Yes, it usually brings a heavy loss to me and most of the other regular NetEnt players. But it does't mean that NetEnt games are cheating!!! I'm sick to death hearing, reading and seeing this ***** all over the forum and I'm tired on explaining one and the same again and again... I just give up on this one... If anyone here believe that NetEnt is offering 'rigged' games then my advice would be very simple "Mate, just stop playing their games!".

 

PS. The last part of my post is not dedicated to hajnrih in particular, but to all questioning NetEnt's fairness.

[hajnrih]

Nothing is 'sure' when it comes to online casino games controlled by a Random Number Generator. You could get not 5-6 but 50-60 decent wins within the first/last 100 spins and a total bust within the other spins of your session...

 

Anyways, my point is not to argue with anyone here, but to claim for some common sense and rational logic when discussing this matter, that's all.

 

I am suffering a massive losing streak with NetEnt slots myself recently, kissing $2K a goodbye in less than 7 weeks. And what? Should I start crying out that NetEnt is cheating? To start doubting their business only because me and a bunch of other guys lost with their games over a period of time? Let's be serious, please! We are all serious players here, with lots of experience and a decent amount and quality of knowledge of how the whole casino machine is working. Yes, I hate when NetEnt rolls an update which obviously change the payout cycle for a game I used to know better than my own teeth. Yes, it usually brings a heavy loss to me and most of the other regular NetEnt players. But it does't mean that NetEnt games are cheating!!! I'm sick to death hearing, reading and seeing this ***** all over the forum and I'm tired on explaining one and the same again and again... I just give up on this one... If anyone here believe that NetEnt is offering 'rigged' games then my advice would be very simple "Mate, just stop playing their games!".

 

PS. The last part of my post is not dedicated to hajnrih in particular, but to all questioning NetEnt's fairness.

hhh didn't think it was, I'm not saying they are cheating but something has happened in the payout in Net Ent slots. My guess is that the RTP is much lower now than it was in the past especially playing on high bets. Will stay away from them for a while until I start seeing some improvement in their gameplay. 

[ValDes]

hhh didn't think it was, I'm not saying they are cheating but something has happened in the payout in Net Ent slots. My guess is that the RTP is much lower now than it was in the past especially playing on high bets. Will stay away from them for a while until I start seeing some improvement in their gameplay. 

 

Could you please show me a single NetEnt slot which RTP /TRTP/ stats has been changed after its release? 

[Afi4wins]

Nothing is 'sure' when it comes to online casino games controlled by a Random Number Generator. You could get not 5-6 but 50-60 decent wins within the first/last 100 spins and a total bust within the other spins of your session...

 

Anyways, my point is not to argue with anyone here, but to claim for some common sense and rational logic when discussing this matter, that's all.

 

I am suffering a massive losing streak with NetEnt slots myself recently, kissing $2K a goodbye in less than 7 weeks. And what? Should I start crying out that NetEnt is cheating? To start doubting their business only because me and a bunch of other guys lost with their games over a period of time? Let's be serious, please! We are all serious players here, with lots of experience and a decent amount and quality of knowledge of how the whole casino machine is working. Yes, I hate when NetEnt rolls an update which obviously change the payout cycle for a game I used to know better than my own teeth. Yes, it usually brings a heavy loss to me and most of the other regular NetEnt players. But it does't mean that NetEnt games are cheating!!! I'm sick to death hearing, reading and seeing this ***** all over the forum and I'm tired on explaining one and the same again and again... I just give up on this one... If anyone here believe that NetEnt is offering 'rigged' games then my advice would be very simple "Mate, just stop playing their games!".

 

PS. The last part of my post is not dedicated to hajnrih in particular, but to all questioning NetEnt's fairness.

 

And so...today...on this very day...our wise guru...has spoken! 

[cocopop3011]

And so...today...on this very day...our wise guru...has spoken! 

 

Finally! I've been waiting for him to jump in on the subject actually, I gave up trying last week!

[partyhummel]

hhh didn't think it was, I'm not saying they are cheating but something has happened in the payout in Net Ent slots. My guess is that the RTP is much lower now than it was in the past especially playing on high bets. Will stay away from them for a while until I start seeing some improvement in their gameplay. 

 

 

heyho- hope you are fine ;-)

 

the rng is not affected by betsize. however - after achieving decent wins on lower stakes - it is less likely to continue producing those decent wins, after you switched to higher stakes. allthough it sometimes happens. 

 

thats when you can play up 10€ to 8000 - and then of course bust because icarus touched the sun raising stakes to 48 euro^^

 

imo the rng might be programmed to kind of clustering winning and losing streaks. no matter what betsize^^

[sorenjo]

My advice would be: Don't raise the stakes after you increase your bankroll a lot on a session. Log.out and maybe raise in the next day/session. It has worked for me, it does decrease your banroll as fast. Get out when you're ahead I just withdrew 4000 euros. Sure I started with 3000 euros. I did this by playing and winning, logged out, and increased the bet next day, only on netent software. 

 

I know this is not a picture of what it will always be like, it is of course about luck also.

[partyhummel]

My advice would be: Don't raise the stakes after you increase your bankroll a lot on a session. Log.out and maybe raise in the next day/session. It has worked for me, it does decrease your banroll as fast. Get out when you're ahead I just withdrew 4000 euros. Sure I started with 3000 euros. I did this by playing and winning, logged out, and increased the bet next day, only on netent software. 

 

I know this is not a picture of what it will always be like, it is of course about luck also.

 

 

totally agree. it is the brakes which gives the casino time to reload from other players just to pump it into your balance. ;-)

 

unfortunately i am one of those who finds no end and usually painfully busts.

[nicole1983]

Keep dreaming that Netent games are random . the biggest joke ever.  What wil be your next joke that even blackjack online is also random and completly fair????? That Always on high bets everything is gone ??????????? What is the different between 1000 on my bankroll and play 5 euro ech bet or 500 on my bankroll and play 2.50 each bet. You wil think the same chance to get the same bonus rounds and to think a lot more money in a bonus round. Let me tell you this , so many times you get more money on a bet from 2.50 than 5.00 euro ech bet or bonusround. RANDOM MY ***** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cocopop3011]

Keep dreaming that Netent games are random . the biggest joke ever.  What wil be your next joke that even blackjack online is also random and completly fair????? That Always on high bets everything is gone ??????????? What is the different between 1000 on my bankroll and play 5 euro ech bet or 500 on my bankroll and play 2.50 each bet. You wil think the same chance to get the same bonus rounds and to think a lot more money in a bonus round. Let me tell you this , so many times you get more money on a bet from 2.50 than 5.00 euro ech bet or bonusround. RANDOM MY ***** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

  Nicole, your honestly telling me that NetEnt slots are not random? Let's just consider how HUGE NetEnt are now...do you honestly think they would have built up such an impeccable reputation by rigging their games??

[partyhummel]

  Nicole, your honestly telling me that NetEnt slots are not random? Let's just consider how HUGE NetEnt are now...do you honestly think they would have built up such an impeccable reputation by rigging their games??

 

 

what has to be considered is: a computer never ever will be able to produce pure randomness. what rngs do is nothing but calculating - they try to simulate randomness by doing that.

 

i have won higher with 6 euro bets than with .90 euro bets btw.

 

and guess what - at rtg a single spin at triple twister gave me 25.000 betsize 250$.

[cocopop3011]

There will always be haters - what I don't understand is why people bother spending their money playing games they believe are rigged to lose! It just doesn't make sense!

[nicole1983]

Maybe i am a hater and a idiot to play almost every day these terrible games. I think that i can inform people to tell my expereince. What people are thinking is not my problem because every player can do what ever he or she wants to do. I earn good money and spend 1000 to 1500 a week on slots. I am a person who wil try every day once to make a withdraw on netent games with a minimum of 2500 euro. I cant remember when was the last time that i make any withdraw. I told a week ago that thunderkick games are one of the best games ever. Many times i make a withdraw. If you play bets like 15 euro each spin there wil be no different like 1 euro each spin.

 

 

I know that people from this forum defending all kind of software but sometimes i think please play blackjack online on netent . Be a hero and deposit 1000 euro and make bets from 25 euro ech game. I can promise you that the 1000 euro is gone in less than 30 minutes. How can you speak over random if the bank on 15 and 16 for 75% not busted. That the player get Always on 12 a 10 and wil busted. That when the player doubled on 10 and 11 and the bank wil never busted on 15 and 16. That the bank get Always plenty of blackjacks and every day a lot more than the player. RANDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People come on now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Try blackjack double exposure , all the time when the bank get 15 and 16 its unbelievable Always a low card. of course when you play 1 euro bets everything wil be normal but when you play higher than 5 euro the nightmaire wil started. Hunderds of forums when you google from reviews by players  and all of them tell the same balckjack is rigged and cheating. And all of then told alsdo the same that on high bets on slots bye money. Of course there wil be Always some people who are really Lucky once and everything what they play they win. Again people sorry for my terribe english but i want only to help and inform people .

[ValDes]

Dear @nicole1983, 

 

If you bother browsing through the forum for just a couple of hours, I bet you will soon realize that people from this forum are definitely not defending any casino, game or software provider. And I really mean any...

 

I'm not an expert on table games, but I think I could help you with advice on how to change your slot playing style so that you could extend your play time and improve your overall experience a bit. Care to share a bit more about how you usually Play NetEnt slots? 

[nicole1983]

Okay

[nicole1983]

Dear Valdes,

 

 

 

Thank you that you try to help me with some advice.  To be honest a few months ago i wil never reply to you. The reason for that is that i play all kind of software and all table games , slots, scratch cards, keno and poker games. I thought that i knew everything and that nobody cant help me but lets see maybe i am wrong. I wil explain to you how i wil gamble and what i deposit . To be honest i wil look Always first what kind of deposit bonus i can take. By the most casinos were i play i am the highest vip so its maybe to sick for words but i am playing in 69 casinos with all kind of different software. So for me its very easy Always to find a casino with a minimum of 150%deposit bonus. Normally i deposit arround 300 euro each time so that i can started arround 750 euro.

 

 

Most of the time i play slots games and when i play netent slots games its starbust , tornado farm escape , flowers , dead or alive, twin spin , gonzo quest and reel rush. Normally i started with a bet from 3 euro each spin when my balance wil be like 750 euro. When my balance wil  be under 500 i wil play on 2 euro each bet. I learn one thing on slots and that is when a slots game give good money i wil raise my bet all the time. But by netent games all the time when i do that its game over. Most of the times when i play netent games from the beginning my whole balance wil be gone very fast and most of the times the 750 euro is gone in less than a hour.

 

 

You can tell me that i make to high bets each spin but under 2 euro its boring for me to play. I am a person who want some action. A few years ago i deposit much more like 600 euro every time and than 150% bonus i started with 1500. Only the wagering was mission impossible most of the time.  Thats why i deposit Always 300 max so that my wagering is not mission impossible. You can tell me that my bet is too high but how is it possible that for example on thunderkick software i can play hours with my system and by netent its gone in less than a hour.  Games like starbust and tornado are the biggest money eaters. Now i understand why al these netent casinos give free spins on starbust. Its a great joke.

 

 

Maybe you wil advice me not to accept a bonus but if i wil deposit 600 i am more sick to lose double money with no bonus. I lose so much money in one year and all of my deposits is with a minimum of 150% bonus. If the 150% bonus was also real money my god !!!!!!!!!!! Than i lose more than 100.000 in one year. I cant believe there wil be a system to beat a computer. All the time people from the chat in a casino told me the same . Bad luck , random standard answers from the book. if i told them how is it possible that i lose 27 games after eachother with blackjack and the dealer get 5 times after eachother an ace in his hands is bad luck. If i try to explain by chat how it is possible that for example with starbust on a bet from 5 euro i get 62 spins not one single price i heard its random!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  So random means stealing in my eyes.

 

 

 

When games are random than it must also possible to get in a few spins big money but for some reason in 8 years time that i play i have never seen this. Always when i hit finally a good price like Always the first 200 spins nothing at all. And here is my point, by thunderkick if i get a good price many times 20 spins later i get another big price. Even by playtech software but here we go again by netent bye bye money . I want to tell you Valdes and all the people who read my story a lot more but my english is so bad that i cant explain my self good to tell how i feel myself in good english

[ValDes]

Okay, thanks for sharing Nicole. 

 

Now, allow me to share my own experience with NetEnt slots /as I previously mentioned, I do not play table games/. Of course, my usual deposit amounts and  bets are smaller than yours, but I get a pretty decent play time and wins for my money this year. In fact, with all ups and downs this year, I'm still around $10K ahead where a huge part of it came from NetEnt slots exactly. So, what are my personal observations based on hundreds of thousands of spins:

 

1/ I rarely play low variance games, except when a bonus wagering is badly needed! Which means that games like Starburst, Fruit Shop,etc and even Tornado Farm Escape are definitely not among my preferred NetEnt slots to chase a win with.

 

2/ Most of my game play goes to mid, high and ultra high variance games, such as Dead Or Alive or Twin Spin for example. Small chances to hit big, but when it pays, it worth all the troubles. Dead Or Alive brought me most of the winnings this year and rewarded my persistence and deposits with huge wins /you can check them all in this topic - Mega slot wins - oh yes, it's possible! /. Winning sessions usually came after thousands of spins and dozens of free spins features, which basically means you need a solid starting balance  to increase as much as possible your play time and chances of course. My strategy is to play with bets equal to balance sufficient enough for 500 spins, e.g. 300 balance means 0.54 bet... When it comes to Twin Spin, what I noticed this year so far is that the mobile version pays better than the regular one. Have no reasonable explanation why, but this is how it worked for me... 

 

3/ Know when to stop... I know this one is the hardest to do and achieve, but if you have a clear plan what do you expect from a gambling session and set your withdrawal amount, then it's a lot easier to stop just on time and end up with profits instead of a bust. I was laughing at this simple strategy couple of years ago, but it proved to be working just fine for me...

 

Of course, all the above is just a tiny fraction of my own gambling experience this year.... Most of it you could read across the forum. We have dozens of experienced players here who could also give and share some quite reasonable advice on how to extend your playing sessions and winning chances. 

[partyhummel]

Okay, thanks for sharing Nicole. 

 

Now, allow me to share my own experience with NetEnt slots /as I previously mentioned, I do not play table games/. Of course, my usual deposit amounts and  bets are smaller than yours, but I get a pretty decent play time and wins for my money this year. In fact, with all ups and downs this year, I'm still around $10K ahead where a huge part of it came from NetEnt slots exactly. So, what are my personal observations based on hundreds of thousands of spins:

 

1/ I rarely play low variance games, except when a bonus wagering is badly needed! Which means that games like Starburst, Fruit Shop,etc and even Tornado Farm Escape are definitely not among my preferred NetEnt slots to chase a win with.

 

2/ Most of my game play goes to mid, high and ultra high variance games, such as Dead Or Alive or Twin Spin for example. Small chances to hit big, but when it pays, it worth all the troubles. Dead Or Alive brought me most of the winnings this year and rewarded my persistence and deposits with huge wins /you can check them all in this topic - Mega slot wins - oh yes, it's possible! /. Winning sessions usually came after thousands of spins and dozens of free spins features, which basically means you need a solid starting balance  to increase as much as possible your play time and chances of course. My strategy is to play with bets equal to balance sufficient enough for 500 spins, e.g. 300 balance means 0.54 bet... When it comes to Twin Spin, what I noticed this year so far is that the mobile version pays better than the regular one. Have no reasonable explanation why, but this is how it worked for me... 

 

3/ Know when to stop... I know this one is the hardest to do and achieve, but if you have a clear plan what do you expect from a gambling session and set your withdrawal amount, then it's a lot easier to stop just on time and end up with profits instead of a bust. I was laughing at this simple strategy couple of years ago, but it proved to be working just fine for me...

 

Of course, all the above is just a tiny fraction of my own gambling experience this year.... Most of it you could read across the forum. We have dozens of experienced players here who could also give and share some quite reasonable advice on how to extend your playing sessions and winning chances. 

 

 

that lern when to stop is my most important lection...^^

[winningfly]

Valdes your recent post is awesome, was very interesting to read and very useful. Thank you for taking time to make something like this!