EDIT: Netent casinos, could they be really cheating and manipulating

[ValDes]

 Nostalgic I guess    I had some great wins On Rock on, Sherwood Forest, Bank Heist, Cleopatra's Coins. So far the only big win I had worth remembering in Net Ent was  on Wishmaster. But still I would play Playtech Marvel slots before any other, any day. Still nu.1 for me.

 

Fair enough, but you still avoid answering my question.

 

By the way, I still adore playing Cleopatra's Coins, Sherwood Forest Fortunes, Hole in Won: The Back Nine and so on and so on...

[hajnrih]

Well i did win about 400 euros on Rock On in 12 minutes so reason enough 

[Afi4wins]

RTG games? Oh geeees...their games are okay no doubt, but I tend to lose my interest after 1 or 2 hours of playing them. Somehow, I get bored with RTG real fast! Hahahaha. Rival games? No rivalry...just the same as RTG for me. My interest in these 2 software has dwindled down to a trickle...could even go completely dry soon enough... 

[Th3 Runn3R]

Aha... The 'funny' comes at a later stage, when you try to cashout from their generosity.

Hear hear!

A lot of bad experience with RTG. Never again make any deposit there. I created an account once and won over $1200, tried to cash out. The next day I can't login and asked the live chat about it they said I had multiple accounts :S (most used excuse for not to pay you out!)

[ValDes]

Well i did win about 400 euros on Rock On in 12 minutes so reason enough 

 

And I hit a random jackpot of almost 8000euro with a single spin while playing Cryptologic's Fantastic Four some five years ago... You could win way bigger amounts while playing games from at least 20 other gambling software vendors.

[Luciana]

The games you could play there:

 

http://prntscr.com/50clyf

 

Made by a software company which I never heard before called Habanero Systems.

 

Yes I know, although I couldn't recognise any of them I played..it's like my memory is erased. They were either too boring or either I played that $30 no deposit bonus, too short. Or both

 

Never heard of that software   So, basically, you can't play free bonuses in Club Gold on other software of theirs, only this one?

[ValDes]

Yes I know, although I couldn't recognise any of them I played..it's like my memory is erased. They were either too boring or either I played that $30 no deposit bonus, too short. Or both

 

Never heard of that software   So, basically, you can't play free bonuses in Club Gold on other software of theirs, only this one?

 

Actually I think they don't have other software?

[Afi4wins]

Club Gold is a complete stranger to me nowadays. Have never gone in to play there ever since they switched over from Playtech. Have no reason to play there either. What a dismal turn around for one of my most favourite casino before. 

[Luciana]

Actually I think they don't have other software?

 

Really?! 

[nicden]

To be honest since i put this topic on line i lose 3400 more with again completly nothing. Games as starbust is a big joke. you wil see a intro with the only high prices  but in more than 200.000 spins i get never a price like that. I play many years in onnline casinos like playtech what is 100 times better than netent. The only thing is that i am a morron to continue playing starbust because every day i think today this game wil pay out once but its normal that you wil get sometimes more than 50 spins not even a price. When i deposit 200 and play with the bonus 200 so 400 totally on abet from 1 euro Always gone in less than a hour day in day out.

Or me and netent casino is the biggest unlucky combination or there is really something wrong. Play reel rush i cant belive what i see so i am deeply sorry but i think that there is really something strange with this software

[hajnrih]

Try Starburst in BGO or Mr.Green.

[ValDes]

To be honest since i put this topic on line i lose 3400 more with again completly nothing. Games as starbust is a big joke. you wil see a intro with the only high prices  but in more than 200.000 spins i get never a price like that. I play many years in onnline casinos like playtech what is 100 times better than netent. The only thing is that i am a morron to continue playing starbust because every day i think today this game wil pay out once but its normal that you wil get sometimes more than 50 spins not even a price. When i deposit 200 and play with the bonus 200 so 400 totally on abet from 1 euro Always gone in less than a hour day in day out.

Or me and netent casino is the biggest unlucky combination or there is really something wrong. Play reel rush i cant belive what i see so i am deeply sorry but i think that there is really something strange with this software

 

Have no intentions to play a smart a** and give you 'precious' advice, however...

 

Maybe it is about time to make a complete change in your laying pattern and style. I mean, why don't you try changing the games and the bets you as a start. For example, you said you deposit usually 200 at a time and this balance is perfect to try playing Dead Or Alive /DOA/ with a bet of 0.45. I'm sure you will have a lot more play time and I am also quite sure if you have some luck you could hit way better winnings than playing Straburst. After all, 5 scatters at DOA at 0.45 bet pay 1125 bucks.  

[luckyloser]

I to have had some thoughts on netent. I doubt it is rigged, but i do however stand firm in my claim that most of their newer games are programmed in a way maiking them next to impossible to win big on, or even get a profit on.

 

Some of netents newer games seams to behave like very high variance slots with no prices in the paytable to justify that variance. Take fore example: Space Wars, Attraction, Aliens, South Park Reel chaos, and especially their newest contribution Cosmic Fortune. I think they are making slots geared towards the more casual player that just plays a few euros now and then, because these newer slots really is a waste of time and money to play if you want to win.

 

I would avoid all those new games. You should instead play slots like; Dead or Alive, Jack and the beanstalk, Gonzos quest. Basicly all the slots older than starburst. You can and will have sick losing sessions on the above stated slots, but if you win you can and will win really big. If you are looking fore huge prices on low bets(winning a couple of thousand from betting only cents) i would play Dead or alive.

 

I used to win allot on netent slots, and suddenly i was always losing, then i realized thats because i was always playing the newest slots. I used to jump around and play all kinds of games in every session, and before i used to be very succsessful at it. But come all games after starburst and it was downhill. Then someone opened my eyes to the game Dead or alive and i had a huge "aha" experience when i hit my first 2000 euro win from a 0.45 bet.

 

Since then i mostly play ONLY Dead or alive. The thing is you will get pretty decent playtime most of the time, even more than on the newer "lower variance" games. Ofcourse you will lose on this to, but i am in a huge profit if i look at my total stats from playing this slot.

 

Actually today i made a 1000 NOK(117 euro) deposit intended to play DOA but winded up trying out these new netent games and my whole deposit was gone in 10 minutes on 3-6 NOK bets.. So im never going to play those games again.

[aspyquat]

Hello

I  used to play on Net Ent for a long moment, had losses on certain casinos and wins on others (Sieger for example)

with Starbust and Wildwater mainly.

Some big ones (my personnal record is 1750 on Sieger)

But after a  big win , seems that the games are stuck on losses..

So now , I deposit 250 max, and I quit quickly if I can withdraw about 500 €.. I do not replay!

[Th3 Runn3R]

Hello

I  used to play on Net Ent for a long moment, had losses on certain casinos and wins on others (Sieger for example)

with Starbust and Wildwater mainly.

Some big ones (my personnal record is 1750 on Sieger)

But after a  big win , seems that the games are stuck on losses..

So now , I deposit 250 max, and I quit quickly if I can withdraw about 500 €.. I do not replay!

I think it's a common thing. Of course after a big win the chance of hitting the second big win is very slim that's why it's a recommend to switch game after hitting a big win otherwise the winning would be swallowed back by the game. win-switch-win-switch my dear fellow gambler.

[Thunderkick]

Th3 Runn3R, on 10 Jan 2015 - 2:26 PM, said:

I think it's a common thing. Of course after a big win the chance of hitting the second big win is very slim that's why it's a recommend to switch game after hitting a big win otherwise the winning would be swallowed back by the game. win-switch-win-switch my dear fellow gambler.

The win-switch strategy will not help one bit. The odds of hitting two huge wins after each other is equally low if you play the same slot or switch to a new one (assuming the two slots have similar payout structures). Just thought we game developers could chip in on this discussion

[Th3 Runn3R]

The win-switch strategy will not help one bit. The odds of hitting two huge wins after each other is equally low if you play the same slot or switch to a new one (assuming the two slots have similar payout structures). Just thought we game developers could chip in on this discussion

It worked for me thou. Keep playing on one particular slot, you'll end up with nothing! zero! nada!

[luckyloser]

Not sure about Netent.. Sometimes it makes me wonder because i have seen weird stuff. But i was playing at a casino that has "achivements" So if you get a win above 15x bet you get a Big win trophy 30x bet Super Big and so on...

 

Then i was playing a game called Casino Zeppelin its by Yggdrasil Gaming. Its kinda simular to Dead or alive with sticky wilds in the bonus rounds. Then when i triggered a bonus round suddenly i got several Super Mega win thropies before the round even started... I was like wtf?

 

Then i get 4 wilds on a line and alot of other wilds but not the 5th.. Anyhow ended up with 800x bet. So obviously that freespin round was NOT RANDOM. At least in the sence of the reels spinning and landing in random positions. Because how could the casino already know that i would get these wins before i got them???

 

Also on the WMS slot Ruby slippers if you get the "whats happening" feature or the crystal ball feature the win amount is credited before the actual bonus is complete on several casinos. This is fine since these features usually delivers one sum and there is only in one spin.

 

But im kinda wondering about that Casino Zeppelin game, how could the casino software know i was going to win before the freespins even started???

[ValDes]

Not sure about Netent.. Sometimes it makes me wonder because i have seen weird stuff. But i was playing at a casino that has "achivements" So if you get a win above 15x bet you get a Big win trophy 30x bet Super Big and so on...

 

Then i was playing a game called Casino Zeppelin its by Yggdrasil Gaming. Its kinda simular to Dead or alive with sticky wilds in the bonus rounds. Then when i triggered a bonus round suddenly i got several Super Mega win thropies before the round even started... I was like wtf?

 

Then i get 4 wilds on a line and alot of other wilds but not the 5th.. Anyhow ended up with 800x bet. So obviously that freespin round was NOT RANDOM. At least in the sence of the reels spinning and landing in random positions. Because how could the casino already know that i would get these wins before i got them???

 

Also on the WMS slot Ruby slippers if you get the "whats happening" feature or the crystal ball feature the win amount is credited before the actual bonus is complete on several casinos. This is fine since these features usually delivers one sum and there is only in one spin.

 

But im kinda wondering about that Casino Zeppelin game, how could the casino software know i was going to win before the freespins even started???

 

Of course the games are totally random and of course the casino software will 'know' the outcome of any bonus feature won just a nano second afterwards. This is how most casino software works actually, the program is totally in aware how much the bonus round is about to return in winnings and all that's left to be done during the bonus round is the according wins to be graphically displayed.

[luckyloser]

Of course the games are totally random and of course the casino software will 'know' the outcome of any bonus feature won just a nano second afterwards. This is how most casino software works actually, the program is totally in aware how much the bonus round is about to return in winnings and all that's left to be done during the bonus round is the according wins to be graphically displayed.

Yes i know this. What i mean is when i played other games in the same casino. This didd not happen. It only happend with this game. Several times..

 

This would imply that this particular game does not have bonus rounds that are random in that sence, but are just a random predetermined price. Same as the whats happening feature and Wild desire feature. But those are one single spin and i understand why the casino server gets the RNG answer for that before the outcome is played out. 

 

But this particular game it shoved the result of 10 spins before they happened. This means those 10 spins where predetermined. As the Thunderkick rep stated free spins on their games atleast are random events governed by the reel layouts. In this other game this is obviously not the case.

[zelmil83]

I agree with ValDes, i feel that "funny part" on my skin many times with RTG...

[Thunderkick]

Regarding Yggdrasil and their game we have no information about how it works but from your description it sounds as if they randomize every bonus spun outcome in advance and then just show them in the client one after the other. The are certainly some benefits to this approach and it will not change the randomness one bit compared to Thunderkick's approach (which is more in line with NetEnt's solution). The downside is that if the casino is informed about the result before the client has shown it and the casino shows an achievement it will give the game away so to speak. And that seems to be the case here.

[luckyloser]

Yes this was my tought aswell. It kinda suck because you can tell by the thropies or lack of if there is going to be a win or not.

 

Same with the wild desire bonus on immortal romance you can tell by the thropie the size of the win or if its not going to be a win.

 

In some casinos even the balance is updated before its complete.

 

Im more curious to how the free spins on dead or alive works. Because there seams to be certain patterns to the wilds. If you get more than two wilds that dont fitt a line when you have 4 on aline the 5th will never come for example.

[luckyloser]

And id rather question microgamings randomness rather than netent. Im now over 1000 spins on Immortal romance without any wild desire bonus round and i have hit 1!!! free spin in two days gotta be 1000-1500 spins atleats.

 

Wild desire 1/200

Free spins 1/160

 

So yeah.....

[Luciana]

And id rather question microgamings randomness rather than netent. Im now over 1000 spins on Immortal romance without any wild desire bonus round and i have hit 1!!! free spin in two days gotta be 1000-1500 spins atleats.

 

Wild desire 1/200

Free spins 1/160

 

So yeah.....

 

Wow luckyloser, do you count your spins or it's just an approximate number?