Any thoughts about Lil' Devil and can I grind it with bonus funds.

[Flatzem]

Any thoughts on this BTG grinder, as well as other grinder games, can I just use bonus funds to grind it..... if its not in restricted games of a bonus is it ok to grind it collecting the hearts or bars or whatever collectable..... and if I grind towards the goal of reach 40 hearts/bars, when reaching 39, then switch to another game , finish wagering on that other game or bust out the bonus..... and then return to Lil dev (or other game that you have collected 39) and then play the spins to get the enhanced bonus...... by getting the 40th item.. or just stay on the game for entire time including for the enhanced bonus...

we all know these grinder games usually cost a lot of money during the collecting stage and the enhanced bonus is likely not going to pay back enough to cover the investment... but if we use bonus funds then it would at least cut the cost of the entire journey.

[Afi4wins]

Hi mate. There are no rules that disallow such thing as what you plan in doing in Lil Devil, but casinos can label your moves and intentions as a 'strategy' and that can be considered as a prohibition.

Several years ago, Playtech's game of Mr Cashback was my top favourite game, and my top winnings earner. In that game, every 50th non-winning spin would pay a cashback reward, the amount depending on the bet size - the bigger the bet size, the bigger the reward. My strategy then was to play the game, spinning until I reach the 49th non-winning spin, then I would switch over to another bet size, thereby starting all over again at spin #1. This way, I had reached the 49th spin on different bet sizes, but I would only play for the 50th cashback spins after ending that session using bonus money. When the bonus wagering was removed, I would then make a fresh deposit, no bonus taken, and play off that 50th spin, thereby collecting the cashback reward for each bet size level. The total cashback won can be quite a lot, especially on the bigger bet sizes.

Playtech later discovered how I was regularly winning on their Mr Cashback game, and they then banned me from playing it. Then they introduced new bonus terms that restricted play on Mr Cashback with bonus money. And that put an end to my glorious winning sessions on Mr Cashback!

Lil Devil works on the same principal, the 40th Heart paying out a cashback reward too, as in Mr Cashback. Bonus terms restrict the use of strategies whilst playing with bonus money, so your plan might just fall into this category. I don't know for sure because I don't play that devil Lil Devil, but I'm highlighting to you what the casino might think of your moves.

Anyway, although the 40th Heart may only be one heart away to be collected, it may take a lot of spins to get that, and if it takes hundreds of spins just to get that one final heart, would it really be worth the cashback reward then, considering the total amount of money already spent on the game from spin #1?

I really don't know but I would really consider it first!

[blondie]

I personally would be careful with this, it is possible that the game won't count towards wagering or your withdrawal later could be cancelled because of this as it can be looked upon as bonus abuse- especially if you choose to get the last heart on a fresh- bonus free deposit. But I think it also really depends on your betsize, I doubt a smaller stakes win would be checked upon, but if it is a higher bet pluss the potential that Lil Devil has, it could cause some troubles. But that again really depends on the casino, bonus policy, bet size etc. I personally wouldn't risk it even if it isn't in the bonus rules. 

[Fiekie247]

In general Lil Devil is restricted at 95% of online casinos while playing with Bonus Funds.

The only casinos that you can play Lil Devil with bonus funds is Casumo Casino that I know off.

I tried many Direx N.V and N1 Interactive and others, and game is restricted anyways.

[Flatzem]

finished the heart collecting and chose be my angel for the heartstopper, queen was the symbol and it paid 15.4x on 50cent stake. what a disappointment.

trigger paid 0.20

1st spin: dead (no queen or heart on reels 2,3,4,5)

2nd spin: dead (queen appears on reel 4)

3rd spin: dead (no queen or heart on reels 2,3,4,5)

4th spin: dead (no queen or heart on reels 2,3,4,5)

5th spin:  pays 0.90 (heart appears on reel 2)

6th spin: pays 0.90 (no new queen or heart)

7th spin: pays  5.70 (new queen appears on reel 2 and 3)

 

took 1045 spins to collect all 40 hearts to get a 15.4x heartstopper........ what can you say about that?

 

[blondie]

2 hours ago, Flatzem said:

finished the heart collecting and chose be my angel for the heartstopper, queen was the symbol and it paid 15.4x on 50cent stake. what a disappointment.

trigger paid 0.20

1st Spin: dead (no queen or heart on reels 2,3,4,5)

2nd spin: dead (queen appears on reel 4)

3rd spin: dead (no queen or heart on reels 2,3,4,5)

4th spin: dead (no queen or heart on reels 2,3,4,5)

5th spin:  pays 0.90 (heart appears on reel 2)

6th spin: pays 0.90 (no new queen or heart)

7th spin: pays  5.70 (new queen appears on reel 2 and 3)

 

took 1045 spins to collect all 40 hearts to get a 15.4x heartstopper........ what can you say about that?

 

Very high volatility game and therefore not a surprise. Had the same thing with Royal Mint with like a 10x bet win for the heartstopper feature, also have had 10x heartstopper Lil Devil features. Typical.

[pinnit2015]

LD is IMO the only true HV monster BTG have - probably the best in terms of gunning for a great payout but not the most enjoyable.

You're going to need to put DOA sessions in to hit big on it, probably 100's of pointless features.

For a hit and run, maybe not as much potential in terms of X wins, DHV is probably the better bet for a 50 quid dipper.

The heartstopper's just a bit of glitz on the cake (and to keep people playing) - the feature to always pick, can't remember the name: the purple isn't really much of a boost tbh. Though the way it's marketed, enhanced, makes it sound better than what it actually is.

Royal Mints a real stinker of a game - almost like you can see the scripted code play out in front of you like rain man.

On the plus side, Reactoonz 2 is out on 1st October and looks non too shabby

[Fiekie247]

I tried LD heartstopper and Gate Of ***** feature always pay bad. I get some benefit from the multiplier feature instead. So choosing that one although the GOH feature has more potential but you need to be very lucky. 

I am busy trying Bufallo Hunter from Nolimit looks like an awesome game especially the 5 scatter bonus, guaranteed return. 

Honestly I have given up playing 90 % of BTG slots. Royal Mint bad, Survivor the fffkin worst IMHO and take ages to trigger. Star Clusters - Can never trigger more than 3 free spins... Urrrgggh

I stick to No Limit City and Some Push Gaming and PP and 1 or 2 PnG at the moment. 

[pinnit2015]

TBH i've completely moved away from NLC over the last few months....the 12kx max win, for a game of that volatility, struck me as being a bit rubbish. Their games just feel far too volatile to the point they're almost anti slotting with a pretty joyless experience to be had - you may as well, if you can, just sit down and feature buy. Almost feels like you'd be better off going and buying a lottery scratchcard or playing Mega Moolah tbh.

Obviously a market for them but i'd rather take a chance these days on a bigger bet of 2-5 quid on a game, if the cash balance is ok with half the volatility for a decent cashout. 

I personally think Push's games are better in terms of value for money, than NLC. 

[Afi4wins]

22 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

TBH i've completely moved away from NLC over the last few months....the 12kx max win, for a game of that volatility, struck me as being a bit rubbish. Their games just feel far too volatile to the point they're almost anti slotting with a pretty joyless experience to be had - you may as well, if you can, just sit down and feature buy. Almost feels like you'd be better off going and buying a lottery scratchcard or playing Mega Moolah tbh.

Obviously a market for them but i'd rather take a chance these days on a bigger bet of 2-5 quid on a game, if the cash balance is ok with half the volatility for a decent cashout. 

I personally think Push's games are better in terms of value for money, than NLC. 

Coming from you mate, I find that a bit strange, hahaha. I remember it was you who recommended NoLimitCity for Askgamblers Best New Provider Award, and it was also you who introduced Punk Rocker and whatnot to the forum. Anyway, I guess everyone is entitled to a change of heart after experiencing some disappointments. 

[pinnit2015]

2 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

Coming from you mate, I find that a bit strange, hahaha. I remember it was you who recommended NoLimitCity for Askgamblers Best New Provider Award, and it was also you who introduced Punk Rocker and whatnot to the forum. Anyway, I guess everyone is entitled to a change of heart after experiencing some disappointments. 

Yeah I know -  and i've had the 1500-2000x from the Shoot Out in Deadwood etc as well, so it's not like i've not hit on it.

But I've just not enjoyed them over the last few months - maybe tried playing them too much but when your balance is -75% within 20 minutes in 15 sessions in a row, you start to yearn for a bit of balance.

Still play them for say the last 30 or so quid  before i log out if had a withdrawal but that's about it

The max win thing has really stumped me though and hence why wondering if they're that great - Jamming Jars/DOA, far outstrip that (and probably more regularly) so made me wonder recently how truly HV in terms of pay they are. Still think, given the micro-wins and no base game, a 12kx max win is quite poor. 

Kinda knew i'd fallen out of love with them when, at 30 quid, i'd boot up Punk Rocker and heavy sigh as if i didn't really want to play, but felt as if i had to. 

 

[Blackjax]

So I have been doing lots of Lil devil grinds lately. Had losses on almost all of them my biggest win in Lil devil was a 6500x on a 10 cent bet but it was from a no deposit  bonus so max cashout was €50. This was 6 montgs ago and after then  managed a retrigger once. Yesterday.

Have taken a 100% bonus on a deposit of NZD50. Did two lil devil grinds, 20 cent bets, got 4 and  bonuses during grinds. Way more than you usually get. First heartstopper was bad but second one paid 250x. Currently doing third. 

[Blackjax]

My third Lil devil  grind in last 20 hours. Took 1206 spins, got 6 bonuses. I have had grinds where I have got not a single bonus or just one bonus during entire grind but 4, 5 and 6 bonuses during 3 consecutive grinds is unbelievable.

[Flatzem]

here's my Lil' Dev story , first time I ever played it was about year and a half ago and played it on 50c (EUR) stake. Had 5 features during the first session. All my play on it has been raw cash.

FSF #001:(21xBet)(stake 50c), 315 {sp#315}(17/07/20)(BMA:"crocodile") drop 49.65, overall -49.65
FSF #002:(12.6xBet)(stake 50c), 101 {sp#416}(17/07/20)(DL) drop 12.45, overall -62.10
FSF #003:(31.4xBet)(stake 50c), 107 {sp#523}(17/07/20)(BMA:"chameleon") drop 15.20, overall -77.30
FSF #004:(29.9xBet)(stake 50c), 42 {sp#565}(17/07/20)(BMA:"scorpion") gain 6.20, overall -71.10
FSF #005:(2493.7xBet)(stake 50c), 17 {sp#582}(17/07/20)BMA:"9") gain 1241.65, overall +1170.55

unfortunately my laptop didn't have good graphics and thus it took about an hour (yes really) to complete the 5th feature and I recorded it on an old faulty camera (had to change memory cards once).

I still needed more hearts to get the heartstopper so I did some more sessions.

the next time I played it was a almost a couple months later and gave it 50 spins at 50c (EUR) to get a gain of +9.65 eur. (peak +13.60)

but then it turned ugly. a week later another session. this time 383 spins, dropped 49.90 eur, had one feature 20.4x with chameleon symbol.

two days later another session during which I finally collected all hearts and had a heartstopper.

30 spins during the session, symbol was the Queen, and paid  just 15.4x !

now at this point was still up on it +1131.85 having done a total of 1045 spins.

came back to the slot 9 months later to start a new heart grind. still 50c (EUR) stake. wish I had started it on lower.

it was awful.

229 spins no features, dropped 73.75 eur , RTP 35.59%

then again 2 months later, gave it another 85 spins and dropped another 29.80 eur, RTP 29.88%

got 10 hearts collected and will stay that way.

so now not played it since then but overall have done 1359 spins, +1028.30e  RTP 251.33%  (peak +1184.15eur spin #620).

during that 5th feature if only the 2nd reel filled up... needed one more 9 or wild to drop in there. and there was a real lack of premium symbols on reel 1 during the feature..got ripped off..they were giving me junk,  even when you get a big win on a  BTG slot they still manage to make you feel ripped off,  got a screen capture of the screen at end of last spin...

 

 

[Blackjax]

Today I officially retire from playing Lil Devil. It was not nice knowing you Lil devil.

Not Thanking you.

[Flatzem]

13 minutes ago, Blackjax said:

Today I officially retire from playing Lil Devil. It was not nice knowing you Lil devil.

Not Thanking you.

what caused this , did it give you a bad paying enhanced heartstopper bonus?

[Blackjax]

20 cent grind. Got one bonus. Lost $80. Heartstopper paid 5x. Heart+red scorpion.

[Flatzem]

2 minutes ago, Blackjax said:

20 cent grind. Got one bonus. Lost $80. Heartstopper paid 5x. Heart+red scorpion.

thats 400x down.....

when I started a new grind last year on 50c , its taken 207.1x and only got 10 hearts collected. at this rate it would take 828.4x before reaching the 40 hearts. and no features during the 314 spins. RTP 34%. Not going to bother continuing with it.

 

 

[Fiekie247]

I just had too many bad sessions on the heartstopper features.

I gave up!

[Afi4wins]

23 minutes ago, Fiekie247 said:

I just had too many bad sessions on the heartstopper features.

I gave up!

I tried the game once or twice, didn't really like it, and I certainly did not even go for the 40 hearts. Never will either.

[Flatzem]

On 1/22/2022 at 2:22 PM, Blackjax said:

Today I officially retire from playing Lil Devil. It was not nice knowing you Lil devil.

Not Thanking you.

and you played it again less than one month later, as you showed your screenshot for the screenshot contest 88.3x

what made you return to playing this game again seriously?

[cocopop3011]

14 hours ago, Flatzem said:

and you played it again less than one month later, as you showed your screenshot for the screenshot contest 88.3x

what made you return to playing this game again seriously?

Haha, yes I spotted his screenshot

This is one game that I have never had an interest in for some reason.

[Blackjax]

15 hours ago, Flatzem said:

and you played it again less than one month later, as you showed your screenshot for the screenshot contest 88.3x

what made you return to playing this game again seriously?

It wasn't me. I was sleeping and by accident my hand fell on the screen and started the game and did few spins. I woke up and the bonus was there. I played it and left.

[cocopop3011]

1 hour ago, Blackjax said:

It wasn't me. I was sleeping and by accident my hand fell on the screen and started the game and did few spins. I woke up and the bonus was there. I played it and left.

Hate it when that happens