[Edited:] Bonus question

[Libbyi]

Hi can anyone help me with a query I have over an in game bonus. I've been playing a game and when I got into the bonus it gives a choice of wht box ,key etc that you can choose but I noticed while playing for example I had £100 before I played bonus game ,but on the top of the page my balance was £120 so I played the game and low and behold I won 20 I thought it was supposed to be a game of chance as the one u don't pick them appears telling you what was behind each symbol, box or whatever it may be. Every time I got into bonus I noticed my balance had changed before I even played Is this the way it's supposed to be?

[ValDes]

Hey there and welcome to AskGamblers Forum  

Have just edited accordingly the title of your first forum topic, hope you don't mind. 

Re your question, well, nothing unusual or suspicious about it.. .Some gaming vendors would build their games with pretty strange visual conception where the winnings from the won bonus feature, etc will be displayed prior the actual bonus play. Any of the bonus feature rounds/features is of course predetermined by the game RTP, it's just a matter of how you gonna show that to players. 

[cocopop3011]

13 hours ago, ValDes said:

Hey there and welcome to AskGamblers Forum  

Have just edited accordingly the title of your first forum topic, hope you don't mind. 

Re your question, well, nothing unusual or suspicious about it.. .Some gaming vendors would build their games with pretty strange visual conception where the winnings from the won bonus feature, etc will be displayed prior the actual bonus play. Any of the bonus feature rounds/features is of course predetermined by the game RTP, it's just a matter of how you gonna show that to players. 

Haha, yeah I remember opening a similar thread to this years ago when I was pretty new to the scene with pretty much the same question about a game that would add the winnings from the free spins before they finished.  Or, something similar along those lines anyway. 

[Libbyi]

So it's quite normal then .

[Afi4wins]

2 hours ago, Libbyi said:

So it's quite normal then .

No, it is not normal, but it does occur at a few casinos.

However, it takes all the fun away from your gaming experience as you can see whether you won or not before finishing a spin. Is that fun? Can that be fun? To me, that is simply unacceptable, and I would not play at that particular casino again.

Better to find another place to play where the same thing doesn't occur. 

[pinnit2015]

It’s just bad programming or if it’s not the same at all casinos it’ll be due to the supplier-casino interface.

Nothing sinister but it is poor; showing you the scratchcard of slots

[pinnit2015]

Only happened twice to be; on BTGs. Once the total win of the 12 spins showed before clicked start and then again on the same game; different sites 

[Flatzem]

31 minutes ago, pinnit2015 said:

Only happened twice to be; on BTGs. Once the total win of the 12 spins showed before clicked start and then again on the same game; different sites 

but but but a BTG rep once said that every single spin is random and not known before the feature is played.

[drskin]

slots from some providers usually where you cant do anything (eg stop the reels) while being on a bonus round predetermine the outcome and you are watching your freespin rounds just like watching a movie basicaly! So what this means is tha the RNG generator provided one outcome for the whole bonus round. Other providers do that in every single spin. 

[Flatzem]

17 minutes ago, drskin said:

slots from some providers usually where you cant do anything (eg stop the reels) while being on a bonus round predetermine the outcome and you are watching your Free Spin rounds just like watching a movie basicaly! So what this means is tha the RNG generator provided one outcome for the whole bonus round. Other providers do that in every single Spin. 

when the game RNG knows the bonus round will pay 0xbet why is that allowed to be let in ? why can't the game RNG reject those types of combinations out of all the millions of outcomes it should not be allowed to have 0xBet outcomes especially when they include a congratulations screen. if the outcome is known before all the 12 spins or whatever number of spins is played out then it should be rejecting the 0x outcomes and select the next outcome that is not going to be a 0x. cause when a player gets 0x they are unlikely to want to play on and its bad for business and reputation. It should be rejecting anything under 10x.... it cant be difficult to put in that code in there. do they enjoy tormenting the players with this torture. psychological mind games and torture.

[Afi4wins]

14 minutes ago, Flatzem said:

when the game RNG knows the bonus round will pay 0xbet why is that allowed to be Let in ? why can't the game RNG reject those types of combinations out of all the millions of outcomes it should not be allowed to have 0xBet outcomes especially when they include a congratulations screen. if the outcome is known before all the 12 spins or whatever number of spins is played out then it should be rejecting the 0x outcomes and select the next outcome that is not going to be a 0x. cause when a player gets 0x they are unlikely to want to play on and its bad for business and reputation. It should be rejecting anything under 10x.... it cant be difficult to put in that code in there. do they enjoy tormenting the players with this torture. psychological mind games and torture.

The RNG is nothing more than a 'stupid' machine...it cannot think or do anything by itself! Unlike AI...that's a learning 'intelligence', but only on what it is programmed to do.

The finger should be pointed to the game providers themselves...for not wanting to prevent zero payouts for their feature games. If a guaranteed-win free spins game can be created and produced, why can't all free spins and bonus games be likewise?

Take Immortal Romance's Wild Desire feature game for example...it could take thousand of spins to get one Wild Desire feature, hundreds and/or thousands of real cash spent to get it, yet it could pay a zero win 3 times in a row (3 separate consecutive Wild Desire features), over more thousands of spent spins! I know because I got exactly that when I was playing the blardy game some years ago...not once but 2 or 3 times over the years!

On the other side, take Playtech games for example...Safari Heat, Dolphin Reef, Panther Moon, and almost all of their other slot games too, NEVER paid any zero win for their free spins/bonus games. I should know also, because I've been playing those games for over 20 years regularly! But those good old days are now gone...play Playtech games now and you may get a zero win!

Blame it all on the game providers and no one else!

[cocopop3011]

On 4/4/2020 at 9:24 AM, Libbyi said:

So it's quite normal then .

Yeah, agree with Afi's reply - it's not normal and probably not something you'll see happen a lot