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yea pretty much what co co and pinnit have said not played on his online site but use his bookies a bit and find he is the best of the high street firms when it comes to his horses and football offers and the blokes not afraid to stick his neck out and give you a chance unlike some of the other firms that I wont mention.

hello williey I did have a look at he betfair site for you and in my opinion it looks like normal roulette spinning to me and the camera angle switching from the side to the top of the wheel is pretty standard to be honest betfair should pay you out allright if your worried about that side of it, the results from it all might be another thing tho lol and it does make people paranoid and you here all sorts from people as pinnit says if you worried about anything go to you local casino as there are more advantages zero being one of those if you bet on the even money shots you get half your money back if zero comes in which you don't get with betfair on there site certainly for the people putting 2600 on red and black as you stated in your post anyway.

hello ebbal well from my own point of view of dealing with them from betting on horses and sports betting,etc have allways found them half sensible to deal with over the years and one of the better bookmakers so I hope they can find a fair outcome for you with all things considered good luck.

hello conjorj1993 no recent updates as far as I no anyway, spoke to the liquidators a couple months ago and got the impression that it was going to be a long drawn out thing as you can see from the above posts that one of the owners is now working for William hill despite the gambling commission stating that anybody who had anything to do with smart live would not be in a aloud in a position of trust again, there was another chap on here that started legal proceedings against smart live at the start of the year and I personal messaged him a couple of weeks ago to see how things were going and I am awaiting a reply but all in all gone very quiet lately.

hi kelapa I get your pain I really do been there and seen it for myself mate and have seen it go 25 to 30 times on red and black seen all those numbers not come in for 400 0r 500 spins not going in those dozen numbers you speak about 25 to 30 times, streets, half the wheel,blocks of numbers vosions etc not going in 6 number streets for 90 spins, etc,the losing runs are horrendous as someone else said on this thread earlier a bottomless pit, I have seen similar results on air wheels as I have done on normal roulette wheels I have seen in jump in red at the last second when I have bet on black and equally the same the other way around where I should of lost, also seen people win a lot of money from bounce outs,etc, I have seen the same number come in 4or 5 times on the bounce and many other weird events and I have said some really stupid things myself to people years ago about it not being right but when you see how bad the losing runs are on there own they don't need to fiddle live roulette and also I have met several other people who have seen more roulette than I have come to the same sort of conclusion I even seen one of my mates bet number 36 all night long from 8oclock until nearly 4.00 oclock in the morning and the croupier said right its the last tree spins of the night as they shut at 4.00 in those days and he said that's it I/m not betting that 36 number anymore I/v had enough he had bet on it for about 300 hundred spins so I put a bet on it for him and it went next door in number 11 and would believe it went in 36 the last 2 spins of the night and we never had a penny on it lol that was about 20 years ago and all my work with it since then I have watched 1 number over 37 thousand spins there are 37 numbers on a roulette wheel and would you believe that number came in nearly a thousand times and would you believe half way through on about 18,500 spins it had came in about 500 hundred times, so in lay mans terms I don't want to bore people to much but all my work over thousands of spins is telling me that it all levels back up again bare the house edge comes into play over thousands of spins but the losing runs are horrendous and people would need so much money for this could right a book on it and have payed to learn in the past, I get where you coming from mate some of your stats you have put up are shocking but I don't believe live roulette is fiddled.

hi xleps81 yes for sports bets I also find bet365 very good also they give you free bets on football matches, horses, etc but most of the big bookies are all pretty good really vc bet, paddy power,stan james, sky bet, etc, depends what your looking for really allways found them very fair over the years.

hello oriole and welcome there are a few people on this site that play blackjack and study this sort of thing your talking about I myself play mostly roulette but there are a few threads on here that cover most of what your saying and I/m sure people will reply for you in time but if you go to the forum main page and go for casino general there some stuff on it on page 2 there about halfway down the page under the heading blackjack fair play or not hope that helps for now anyway cheers phil.

hi dave thanks for your information just about sums things up disgraceful will contact William hill myself about this, the only update I have is a man on here has started legal proceedings against smart live a couple of months ago and said the gambling commission should have done something about it a long time ago before if got to this stage and should not have been left to him to do it never a true of a word spoken and I said if he needs any of our help here just ask because we are all sick to death about them I thanked him for doing it and he said he would keep us updated on here.

hi all have seen a lot of roulette action in my time and have seen 19 reds in a row and 24 blacks in a row and more similar stats for 50/50 stuff and many more stories from older people to even more than that ,so for anybody new reading all of this go very carefull with martingales and many more of these mickey mouse systems that are about because in my opinion it happens a lot more than the odds for it suggest.

https;//www.gov.uk/government/news/cma-lauches-investigation-into-online-gambling sorry about that I everybody I think this is the right link now well I did say above that I was not great with computers lol phil.

hi amy I think we are all getting a bit fed up with this sort of thing now sorry to here about that I no how you feel we have all had trouble with that smart live lot and it was on bbc breakfast show a few weeks ago about online casinos not paying out people properly with confusing bonus terms etc I think 3 or 4 million pound was mentioned and I have sent them a letter complaining to them about all this sort of thing as I feel the gambling commission etc has got to do a lot more and it cant be aloud to go on like this its sending the wrong message out to the crooks that they can get away with it, the competition and markets authority are looking into all this and want as much information as they can from us I am not great with computers but I will give you the details http;/www.gov.uk/government/launches/cma-launches-investigation-into-online-gambling so I hope this helps if only to save others in the future cheers phil.

hi all lost for words with some of this now we have been let down with so many different organizations its untrue and to throw this last bit on us when it appears we cant do much about it just about sums things up for me, if anybody has any other suggestions or knows any other way of going forward please say because I feel really sorry for the next people to fall victims to all this sort of thing in the future and have the contempt we have had from all these people, anyway thanks for all everybodys help cheers phil.

hi cocopop yea will be around the forum a bit from now on, there are some very knowledgeable people on this site and its great to be able to learn from each other and help some of the new ones on here if helps the right word lol yea have been around a enough casinos to no the time of day and seen things not many would believe so if I can help anybody I will.

hi all sounds a bit like the ones in the bookies we have over here bad news mate and very addictive and not sure about the percentages they pay out compared to normal real live auto roulette or real casino wheels heard rumors there worst but but someone on here might be able to tell you more allright for a bit of fun mate but don't go getting to involved with them mate a few of my friends I have know for years betting on horses dogs football etc have had to ban themselves from betting shops because there so bad and addictive hope I/m talking about the wright thing for you anyway lol.

hi cocopop 3011 yea I just about manage to stay a head because of my work I have done with it all but I would not recommend it for anybody new starting, some of the things I have seen with it you would not believe all those numbers don't come in for 400 or 500 spins at times and then you will see a number come in 10 times in a matter of just 30 or 40 spins at times as if to pay it back sort of thing but it really does make you think all sorts at times and have said some pretty stupid things myself to people in the past about it lol, great site you have got here by the way never new it was about until about a month ago anyway keep up the good work cheers.