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Aaaah...welcome Toyer to the foyer over here!

Go to bonus section and activate the bonus and finish the wagering. Wagering is 10x bonus. So Blackjax bro...you owe me a steak dinner!

Yep, you read it correct the second time around bro...so get at least $2500 ready for the comp!

Okaaay...I'd like a steak treat pleeeeease!

Oh, come on mate...I know I can do a Google translation, but please keep it in English please, as out Cocopop has already stated above.

Understood mate, but what I really meant was that those full Wild reels are each counted as one single symbol only, thereby reducing thousands of winning ways! If each Wild symbol is in 1x1 size, then the winning ways would be in the thousands! So that 117649 ways is actually a big lie, because there would ALWAYS be big sized symbols on the reels, thereby greatly reducing the winning ways! That 117649 ways is ONLY possible when all symbols on the reels are the SAME SYMBOLS and of 1x1 size! Not many players realise this important aspect of Megaways games, so they just keep on loving them.

It paid only on 108 lines? Out of how many possible lines? Not 117649 ways I guess...but if that was the case, then it shows what a BIG LIE that 117649 ways to win really is!

I guess you've not looked into its paytable, otherwise you would know how the Wilds and the symbols would pay. I'm simply not interested in any Megaways game, so I'm not bothered to look into this game's paytable. Right off, I can say that the win values of all the symbols would suck...typical of all Megaways game...only the multipliers are boosting up the wins. Yet...5 full Wild reels paid only 945x...geeees!

Well, welcome to the real cruel world of slots gaming mate! I was probably the first one to notice all the changes taking place in my favourite games about 2 or so years ago, when flash games were being converted into HTML5 versions. I've even talked about it many times in some topics here in the forum. The changes were very evident to me, and the games seemed to have been drastically transformed into zombies...the walking dead...the games were alive but the payouts were dead! Then later on, I realised how the blardy A.I. has been controlling and regulating the wins, especially the bigger wins, and how the spins have been stretched much farther apart, dishing out even more dead spins before triggering a feature game. My usual 1000x and over wins have been cut and chopped into 2 or more 500x wins instead...the 1000x wins have literally been wiped out by now...I simply cannot get them anymore! Not many believed me when I first talked about it, maybe they think I was hallucinating, or just my bad luck...but more and more regular players are noticing it now.

Well mate, stay truthful and stay honest, and you are most welcome to be a regular member here. We don't have any hard feelings, nor keep grunts or grudges, but we do try to help out others as best as we can. As you can see from all the replies here, we are only giving advices to you, on what you should do, or not do, that's all.

Our Guru-san has said many times before that whatever a poster writes or complains in this forum, he/she is hiding lots of important details, simply to make the matter looks favourable to them! This is yet one more such case, even appearing very eager to bring the matter up to a Civil Court, when every other details showed a downside.

Aaaah...the POWER of a PM! It's as important and effective as a Prime Minister...that Prime Message...

I'm really amazed at this latest win mate...but shouldn't this win pay much more bigger than your last win? With 5 full Wild Reels, with multipliers, yet it is a smaller win than your 2436x???

Last night I sent an email to the casino, complained about their illogical reasoning and refusal to refund my lost 25EUR bet, sent them a link to this topic, and finally requested for a permanent closure of my account. Several minutes later, they closed my account. Case closed.

What it all boils down to is that if you don't like or cannot accept the terms of the casino's Business Contract, then don't play at that casino. Go play somewhere else that has your acceptable terms, and good luck in finding one as well. Over the years, I have closed my accounts at hundreds of casinos, simply because I cannot accept their terms, or their level of customer services. You just need to see everything in the right perspectives and know where you stand, and what to do.

You're certainly one damn lucky player!!! But congrats anyway mate.

Some years ago, there was one or two such instances whereby the player was so dissatisfied with the outcome of his complaint to the casino and vowed to take the matter up to a Civil Court. Nothing more was ever heard from that person, nor on the outcome of the court case. Don't even know if the case was heard in the court or not. Personally, I think your argument is quite baseless, because you are using a Consumer Contract terms in your arguments, as opposed to a Business Contract terms that casinos use. There can NEVER be an individually negotiated contract done with casinos, because it is not a Services Contract, which would involve a client and a services provider, and the terms must first be negotiated and agreed upon. Anyway, good luck in whatever you choose to do next.

That's actually a CONFLICTING term! See the copied bonus terms above. Clause 25 states that if a bonus is accepted, no withdrawal is allowed because the deposited money is locked together with the bonus money. Clause 8, on the other hand, allows the deposited money to be withdrawn, which conflicts with clause 25, unless it means a withdrawal of the deposited money BEFORE playing, or AFTER the bonus has been cancelled.

Yes, definitely! I will kick their 's' and make them bite the dust very soon!

Clause 25 already states very clearly that your deposited money is locked with the accepted Bonus. Meaning, whatever winnings you may have accumulated are therefore also locked with the bonus. No two ways about that, the way I see it. As for the casino's decision being final, I cannot say much on that. The Business Contract may give them that right, but a Court Of Law may say otherwise. Save your money and try with an ADR first...no point wasting money on legal fees for such a 'small' sum in question.

Well, if you don't mind paying lots of money on the legal fees, then you can always take the matter to a Civil Court for proceedings.

This is the Bonus Terms at BitStarz Casino: 25. When accepting a deposit bonus, kindly remember that your deposit is locked with the accepted bonus. This means that you have two options, either to complete the wagering requirement of the bonus, or cancel the bonus. If you choose to cancel the bonus, the bonus and all winnings attributed to the bonus will be lost. Wagering with both the bonus money and your deposited cash will count towards the wagering requirement. 26. In the event of any dispute, the decision of BitStarz will be final.

And that is also why a lot of disputes with casinos need ADRs to resolve them, because it involves legalities and interpretations. Anyway, I'm not saying that you shouldn't get your winnings or deposits back, I cannot decide on that, so perhaps you do need an ADR to get it resolved for you. What looks like a simple interpretation of a Bonus Term can go either way in court.

I have just read that article...however, it's a UK Law, probably no longer an EU Law, but doesn't matter. The big question is...is playing at casinos considered a Consumers Contract or a Business Contract? Most, if not all, Business Contracts are designed to protect the businesses, unlike Consumers Contracts which are designed to protect cunsumers. The Contra Proferentum above is referring to a Consumers Contract.

What does the Bonus Terms at BitStarz like?