New Accounts: Do they change RTP?

[Piper89]

Hi All

It keeps getting Ramed down our throats that casinos have no control RTP.

If this is the case how come 9 times out of 10 when we open a new account and take the first second r third despoit bonus.

It's bonus after bonus big win /mega win/super mega win then bang

[Afi4wins]

Well, personally, I would say that it's all in the program of the games...how the algorithms are designed and programmed to work good in the early stages, then becoming really dead after reaching a certain predetermined point.

 

I have played and seen so many new games that behaved exactly like that...very good and giving wins at first, then going dead for long stretches of time.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with the casino manipulating the RTP, which is forbidden anyway, so it must all be in the games design itself.

Anyhow, it's all theories and even conspiracies that no one can ever debunk anyway...except by the game designers themselves! 

[MountainKing]

Well, personally, I would say that it's all in the program of the games...how the algorithms are designed and programmed to work good in the early stages, then becoming really dead after reaching a certain predetermined point.

 

I have played and seen so many new games that behaved exactly like that...very good and giving wins at first, then going dead for long stretches of time.

 

I don't think it has anything to do with the casino manipulating the RTP, which is forbidden anyway, so it must all be in the games design itself.

Anyhow, it's all theories and even conspiracies that no one can ever debunk anyway...except by the game designers themselves!

But isn't that a form of manipulation on someone's part if it's designed or programed to hit good at first then totally die down?

 

Like I have noticed on a few occasions that I always get monster hits when I'm working under a max cashout, how convenient for the casino.

[Afi4wins]

But isn't that a form of manipulation on someone's part if it's designed or programed to hit good at first then totally die down?

 

Like I have noticed on a few occasions that I always get monster hits when I'm working under a max cashout, how convenient for the casino.

 

Nope! That's not manipulation at all - that's all part of designing and programming - the hidden secrets behind each and every game design! It's just like making your own cake...the ingredients may vary, how you put the ingredients together may vary, how you make the cake taste better is secretive...but in the end, it's the final product that counts - whether you love the cake or you simply hate it! 

 

Paying early big wins is one way to attract lots and lots of players - once they keep getting wins, they would become attached to the game, hence would keep on playing it, until they finally hate it, or simply stop playing it.

 

Games like Immortal Romance, Jack And The Beanstalk, amongst so many more other games, have paid their biggest maximum possible wins very early on after being released - 5 Wild Reels in the Wild Desire feature, 5 Wild Reel Harps in Jack's Free Spins game, retriggers with huge wins in Gonzo's Free Spins game, and so on! But since that time, it has not ever occurred again, simply because it's a once-in-a-lifetime kind of max win, but millions of players have been chasing for those wins unsuccessfully, bringing in huge revenues for the game provider, and that is the main target of each and every game! 

[MountainKing]

Man I struggle with that, to me that is the definition of a game being rigged if I had to say lol

[Afi4wins]

Man I struggle with that, to me that is the definition of a game being rigged if I had to say lol

 

Well mate...your definition of 'rigged' isn't correct at all...if I may say so...hehehe. 

 

A rigged game would hardly give you any big wins...probably only small wins...because the main aim of rigging would be to maximise the incoming revenue, to reap in as much money as possible, regardless of how the game would be playing...agree? So...what I have described above isn't rigging either...it's cleverly designing a game! Hehehe. 

[MountainKing]

Well mate...your definition of 'rigged' isn't correct at all...if I may say so...hehehe.

 

A rigged game would hardly give you any big wins...probably only small wins...because the main aim of rigging would be to maximise the incoming revenue, to reap in as much money as possible, regardless of how the game would be playing...agree? So...what I have described above isn't rigging either...it's cleverly designing a game! Hehehe.

But to me rigged means it's designed to draw you in ultimately benefiting them even more.. So for a game to say sure we will give you a few bucks early on but then we have our game set to ***** you the more you play, that to me is not just "rng".

[Afi4wins]

But to me rigged means it's designed to draw you in ultimately benefiting them even more.. So for a game to say sure we will give you a few bucks early on but then we have our game set to ***** you the more you play, that to me is not just "rng".

 

Ah...okay...but by your definition of rigged, that would put each and every casino game as 'rigged'...because no matter what game you choose to play - table games, live casino games, or slots - the casino would always win in the end!

 

As for that RNG thing...it is nothing more than an 'automated tool'...any automated tool cannot work properly, or as desired, if it doesn't follow certain preset rules and conditions in its working mechanism! That is called pseudo-randomness...a necessity for all RNGs to deliver the required results! A purely 100% random RNG would deliver all sorts of non-desirable results!!!

 

Now...combine a game algorithms, with all its designed and programmed characteristics...then allow the RNG and RTP to manage and deliver all the results...and voila...you have a working game that knows exactly what to do! 

 

Is that rigging? Certainly not! That's intelligence...artificial + human! 

[LeoDubbed]

There's a reason why the RTP is always below 100%. Let's say the RTP of all games is 95%, whether you lose or win, the house will always get that 5%. That mega big win you've won it was actually other players losses and your losses will be other players winnings, this goes the same with jackpot games, that jackpot money is not money of the casino, it's other players money. Have you noticed that the payout of jackpot games is slightly lower than normal games?

[utterer]

I do wonder whether the Bigger wins one gets during bonus's (which no doubt then have a 30 to 70x play through requirement making them all but to often meaningless) are there mainly to up the overall RTP? 

[LeoDubbed]

I do wonder whether the Bigger wins one gets during bonus's (which no doubt then have a 30 to 70x play through requirement making them all but to often meaningless) are there mainly to up the overall RTP? 

Most big wins are won during bonus round indeed but there are some exceptions on a few Play'N Go games where the big wins only can be won in the base game such as Golden Tickets, Energoonz. Most people could say that bonus money is a way to increase the odd of winning but to me it's only extends your gameplay, whenever I claimed bonus money I mostly end up with zero balance and in some occassions just managed to clear the wagering but could not request a withdrawal because of low balance. Also, always claim the minimum bonus because the bigger the bonus the bigger the wagering amount.

[Piper89]

Well it has happened again opened an account with William hill vegas despoit £10 and play with £50 x30 wagering .

Playing as I normally do all bets below £1 wagering completed in 4 hours cashed out £650 then another £450 the following 2 days.

Guess what nothing in my last 4 sessions I'm going to keep an open mind about these people not controlling RTP.

Betway wagering completed £5200 cashed out followed by another £1600 over the next 2 sessions then hammered me for £600 no payouts since Sept.

Willing hill

Shadowbet wagering completed £600 cashed out nothing since

Virgin games wagering completed £450 cashed out then another £600 over the next week now this place has went well sour.

Starspins wagering completed as above £600 but here I'm still doing ok.

Casumo didn't take any bonus x28 cash outs for 4 weeks they also dried up.

32red wagering completed £800 cashed out still getting the odd small cash out.

I could go in all night but my point is none of these casinos have played anywhere near as well as they did during intial period after opening account...

[cocopop3011]

@Piper - I've moved the above post here from your last location since it didn't really make sense to post this in the same thread where we discussing uploading screenshots from a mobile

[pinnit2015]

I think there’s merit in the whole compensating element of slots but in terms of different RTPs for new accounts I think that’s a bit tinfoil hattery. You’d need software and casino collusion and until something’s ever proven, I’ll air on the side of non scepticism

 

Incidentally I’m the opposite. Almost never cashed out on a welcome bonus

[Johnnygotthebone]

Hi All

It keeps getting Ramed down our throats that casinos have no control RTP.

If this is the case how come 9 times out of 10 when we open a new account and take the first second r third despoit bonus.

It's bonus after bonus big win /mega win/super mega win then bang

[Piper89]

Cocopop thanks for moving the post I knew I had posted in the wrong thread but I took a brian ***** and forgot about it

[cocopop3011]

Cocopop thanks for moving the post I knew I had posted in the wrong thread but I took a brian **** and forgot about it

 

Hehe - I'm laughing at the word our system has starred out

[Johnnygotthebone]

Hi All

It keeps getting Ramed down our throats that casinos have no control RTP.

If this is the case how come 9 times out of 10 when we open a new account and take the first second r third despoit bonus.

It's bonus after bonus big win /mega win/super mega win then bang