[Edited:] Speculations about online casinos?

[Baldurseljan]

There are many reason's why i'm writing this post. The biggest reason though is to open up a discussion of online casino's. 

 

The question which I want to ask you 

,,Are all Online Casinos in the world doing things 100% legally ??".

 

In my opinion the answer is NO!! 

Why ? The real reason why I assert that opinion is if that would be the case, how come is there no big worldwide organization which check in their business activities?? 

 

Isn't our right as a costumer to know if they are doing things legally??? Who protects our rights there? 
No one! 

 

The truth is online Casinos have way too much power and the government by our countries allows them to do whatever they want. At least they don't check it or make sure things are done legally. 

 

Have you ever wondered if the Jackpots in this online business sites are even real?? Most people don't think about this. They all think....the chances of winning are so unlikely anyway!! 

 

Think about this for a moment. Do you really trust a business idea which main purpose is to make money from us all??

 

Think about this from another angle. When you buy a lottery ticket, than at least you know that if someone wins the jackpot... isn't it? The jackpot is at least not as big as last weekend.

 

But in this technologically advanced world it is very easy to program a fake jackpot. Isn't it?

 

Do you know someone who has won a huge jackpot online? I bet you don't . 1 millions? 10 millions? 100 millions? On what site then ? I bet at least most sites lie about these Jackpots. Most sites doesn't even publish their winners username ? Or at least publish some facts about the winners? What nationality, when the jackpot was pay'd? How come the newspapers by each country don't talk about an new millionaire in this category??

 

All just a myth. Tell me your thoughts about this all?

 

 

[LeoDubbed]

100% legal ? of course not because there are many rogue casinos out there. When playing online casinos, best to check them first, read the players reviews. I do think there are plenty legit online casinos out there too. I play to have fun, I would never ask about the source of their income because it is none of my business.

If I was a jackpot winner, I'd stay anonymous because money makes people crazy, if a jackpot winner announced publicly, the next day your doorbel would never rest. Jackpot winners were announced, country of origin, age and occupation but never the name. So, no consperacy theory here mate.

[Afi4wins]

How come the newspapers by each country don't talk about an new millionaire in this category??

 

You are wrong there Baldurseljan! A businessman won a 6.9million jackpot in my country and the news was published in the local newspaper! But of course, personal details about the winner were not revealed for confidential and safety reasons.

 

Microgaming's Mega Moolah's Jackpot winners are always published in casino's forums. I don't live in their countries so I wouldn't know if the local newspaper talked about the winners.

 

Playtech's Marvel Jackpot winners always had their usernames displayed onscreen almost immediately, for others to see.

 

Winners of other smaller jackpots don't ever get such publicity...there's no reason to brag about someone winning a 2000 EUR jackpot, for example.

 

So...jackpot prizes are real, and the winners are also real.

 

What probably isn't real are jackpot prizes that suddenly get reset back to the minimum amount, with no mention at all of any winners. These could be faked jackpots. Resetting the jackpot amount makes it look like someone has won it...but there won't be any news on the winner at all. Yes, I have seen this happening at some casinos...but I also know that those casinos are rogue ones!

[Baldurseljan]

100% legal ? of course not because there are many rogue casinos out there. When playing online casinos, best to check them first, read the players reviews. I do think there are plenty legit online casinos out there too. I play to have fun, I would never ask about the source of their income because it is none of my business.

If I was a jackpot winner, I'd stay anonymous because money makes people crazy, if a jackpot winner announced publicly, the next day your doorbel would never rest. Jackpot winners were announced, country of origin, age and occupation but never the name. So, no consperacy theory here mate.

 

That is really my point here. Do you seriously have to check the Online Casinos? Is that really your responsibility? There is a surveillance over the food you buy in the store right? Think about this. Why isn't there a global surveillance which stops this kind of criminals? This is the brilliant business Idea to make people actually believe they could win a Jackpot. The chances are so small anyway to win a Jackpot, that it wouldn't even cross people minds! 

 

I'm not saying every online Casinos are fake, but in my opinion there could be plenty of them doing exactly what i'm saying. 

[Baldurseljan]

You are wrong there Baldurseljan! A businessman won a 6.9million jackpot in my country and the news was published in the local newspaper! But of course, personal details about the winner were not revealed for confidential and safety reasons.

 

Microgaming's Mega Moolah's Jackpot winners are always published in casino's forums. I don't live in their countries so I wouldn't know if the local newspaper talked about the winners.

 

Playtech's Marvel Jackpot winners always had their usernames displayed onscreen almost immediately, for others to see.

 

Winners of other smaller jackpots don't ever get such publicity...there's no reason to brag about someone winning a 2000 EUR jackpot, for example.

 

So...jackpot prizes are real, and the winners are also real.

 

What probably isn't real are jackpot prizes that suddenly get reset back to the minimum amount, with no mention at all of any winners. These could be faked jackpots. Resetting the jackpot amount makes it look like someone has won it...but there won't be any news on the winner at all. Yes, I have seen this happening at some casinos...but I also know that those casinos are rogue ones!

 

I'm going to quote the same answer which I said to Leodubbed and also below i'm going to respond to your view of the situation.

 

Do you seriously have to check the Online Casinos? Is that really your responsibility? There is a surveillance over the food you buy in the store right? Think about this. Why isn't there a global surveillance which stops this kind of criminals? This is the brilliant business Idea to make people actually believe they could win a Jackpot. The chances are so small anyway to win a Jackpot, that it wouldn't even cross people minds! 

 

I'm not saying every online Casinos are fake, but in my opinion there could be plenty of them doing exactly what i'm saying. 

 

Here i'm also going to respond to your answer.

 

First of all I want to say one thing, i never mentioned that every online Casinos cheat. I'm saying that I think that most of them do it. Why? If the Jackpot are real in every Casinos wouldn't there be more be like at least 10.000 millionaires winning online Jackpots? They are nearly "payed" every week isn't it? according to the Casinos there are so many new millionaires walking down the streets. They don't even have to prove it anymore ? Just something you need to trust. And yes you are right , a few Casinos actually mentioned their username winning this Mega Moolah's Jackpot. But really think about this... Is that happening in every Online Casinos? No. 

 

Great for the Business man to win the Jackpot, maybe he already owned the Casino and the Newspaper so he could write this brilliant story  

 

My point is here with all due respect that I honestly think the majority of the online Casinos are lying. This is just a software which 95% of the gamblers are so addicted that they just want to take the next spin. They don't even bother anymore to go out and walk into next Casino. They just go online.... You are more likely to win a jackpot if you bet higher hahahaha. Yes sure you are...... You lose 10 times faster that I can guaranteed,,,, And a few times they win the mini Jackpot hahahaha......

 

Think about this for a second. I'm not trying to be rude in anyway, but this is just my view of the situation. Millions of addicted people playing and some of them loosing their families, taking their own life or at least destroying their finances. That is real justice isn't it? And especially if the Jackpots aren't even for real........ 

 

If online Casinos are cheating like I think.... don't you think that their members should be in a lifelong jail? Telling a story that could be the biggest lie you would ever witness.....

 

Good night mate and I am looking forward to your response.

 

Best regards

 

 

[Afi4wins]

Well Baldurseljan, when it comes to taking risks and spending lots of money at a casino, then it becomes our responsibility to check and to make sure that what you are buying is something not rotten and worth buying - just like checking for expiry dates on foodstuff, looking for fresh fruits, not decaying ones, and so forth.

 

But, humans, being humans, not everyone take this seriously enough. There are lots of players out there who simply want to have fun, regardless of which casino they are playing at. Yes, everyone wants to win, and expects to win once in awhile, and no one can accept continuous losses, not even the blardy rich ones.

 

All the Gambling Authorities are already doing their bit of controlling and governance on these casinos, and they can only do so much - just as how the police force are doing their part for the public too. But if the public or the player insist on being careless or reckless, then there's nothing more than the authorities can do. Everyone has a duty to look after one's self-interest and not depend on the authorities for everything!

 

Yes, just like humans too, casinos are no different. There are good ones and there are bad ones. There are law-abiding ones and there certainly are some which insist on making their own rules!

 

But in the very first instance, all forms of gambling should be banned totally, but this is not possible of course. If all legally licensed casinos are banned, illegal ones would blossom from within the darkness and create an even worse scenario for the public and authorities!

 

In the end, like it or not, it becomes our responsibility to take care of ourselves first, to walk down a safe path and to avoid those with hidden mines in the ground! Yet so many are not even being fair to themselves, for being indifferent and not caring at all about such things, and these are the people that create more problems for everyone.

 

Casinos will continue to be such! They exists purely for reaping in money for their own purposes, and they give a damn for players. It's only the casino's employees who have to struggle and do their best to make things comfortable and pleasant for the users. The casino owners only care about their wallets!

 

So, before buying a jackpot chance, wouldn't it become necessary that one should check it out first? To make sure that the jackpot prizes are real and not just scams? Just like when you buy a music CD, wouldn't you check out to make sure that you are buying a legitimate CD and not a pirated one? Yet, how many buyers actually do all these checking...or even bothered if it's a legitimate one or not???!!!  

[LeoDubbed]

That is really my point here. Do you seriously have to check the Online Casinos? Is that really your responsibility? There is a surveillance over the food you buy in the store right? Think about this. Why isn't there a global surveillance which stops this kind of criminals? This is the brilliant business Idea to make people actually believe they could win a Jackpot. The chances are so small anyway to win a Jackpot, that it wouldn't even cross people minds! 

 

I'm not saying every online Casinos are fake, but in my opinion there could be plenty of them doing exactly what i'm saying. 

I'm wondering where you want to go with this?

[Afi4wins]

Well matey, for one thing, Baldurseljan here is trying to make others be aware of all the lies and cruel realities of casinos. But in truth, our world itself is already covered in uncountable lies and false facts, so much so, no one can be absolutely certain of anything anymore!

 

The way I see it, this will go on forever, because humans are like that - some never learn, some don't even bother to learn, and some don't even blardy care about anything else but themselves and their money!

[pinnit2015]

Most business exist with the purpose of taking money from you. Even the government in the context of a socialist utopia. 

 

As for acting 'legally' - it's a bit more complicated than that. If you're referring to 'fake wins' then there are bodies, certainly in the UK, that will police that (for want for a better word).

 

Don't really see where you're going with most of what you've said but I am sceptical of some of the adverting - down to my last 10 pounds, won a jackpot with a 30p spin? Really? 

 

Some affiliates must take some of the blame as well - take Casumo; good casino but poor affiliate management allowed advertisements that were simply wrong (4 wild reels in Starburst?-Only 3 are possible) and they got fined by the ASB recently. 

 

I'm very much anti-Government interference - most already have their fingers in pies. Take here in Scotland for example - minimum alcohol pricing done in the name of 'protecting vulnerable people' Rubbish. Australia is doing what it's doing in terms on online gambling, not for social protection, but because of lost revenues. 

 

Addiction to gambling can't be pinned down to adverts for example - may be because of external pressures, social deprivation etc etc. 

 

But yeah - some of the casinos, but more so affiliates, are a bit loose with the advertising standards. 

[Baldurseljan]

Thank for the answers guys, I really appreciate them. I'm also just trying to compare online casinos to the real casinos. In the online Casinos world I think they have so much power to deceive people. When you are living in a such a technical world then it's easy for that business models to cheat against you. That is my point. I totally agree with Afi4wins about you always have to look for yourself at some point. That is a fact in life in general. But this is a business and in business everyone who is involved in that must be telling a story which you could trust it's true. If you buy a lottery ticket then you know that it's more likely to be struck by a lightning then winning the jackpot. But at least you know that for sure. But in this kind of business world can you be sure? No. You can't.
Can you mention the sites which you can totally trust in the Jackpots situation? I would just like to hear our opinion on that. In online casino world everything is a top secret and the software they could easily be designed to deceive people. Don't you agree?

 

Pinnit2015 I totally agree with the advertising part. This is unacceptable, like you mentioned be Starburst for example. How is this not against the Law? Incredible..........

 

I think at least there is a big difference between a real casino and a online one. This should just not be legal. It is a different story to bet on a football match online, those events are in front of everyone eyes. This slot thing is not.

 

All the best guys.

[Afi4wins]

Well Baldurseljan...inspite of everything we have said and are trying to do, for the benefit of other unknowing players, I still do not expect anything much to change...simply because there are way too many players out there who do not bother to take time and do some initial checking-ups before playing at any casino.

 

A nice big deposit bonus is definitely a huge attention-grabber. Jackpot Prizes are also another attraction, even those that come in Mini, Midi and Maxi jackpot prizes, which aren't that big anyway, but would still attract players. False advertisements have even caught me off-guard a few times, but I certainly wrote back to the relevant casino and gave them some bull dung, if you know what I mean, hahaha.

 

In a nutshell, for dummy players, so to speak, if jackpot prizes are what they are after, then go for the reputable ones, like Mega Moolah, Mega Fortune, Hall Of Gods and Age Of The Gods (formerly Marvel Super Heroes) jackpots. These are guaranteed jackpots by the game providers themselves, but even so, please don't go chasing after these jackpots at rogue casinos! 

[Baldurseljan]

Haha all the best mate. I'm not going to chase them... I simply won't play online slots anymore. I agree that this is not going to change for now at least... only maybe if you could win them in court. In history i'm not sure if that has even happened in this category... I doubt it. They have way to much power and a backup by their Government in many cases.

 

Thanks for a constructive discussion. 

[pinnit2015]

Most of the progressive jackpots are a 'pooled' exercise between casinos - Playtech will transfer the money to the casino and then the casino to the player, so if you really wanted to verify the jackpots you could examine their financial statements 

 

You could argue that whatever form of advertising, you can't confirm? Eg. does the dyson vacuum cleaner really have that many testimonials and suck up that much dirt? 

 

Personally speaking -  i think having the regulation of the UKGC and the ASB is more than enough here. If you doubt the validity of such claims....REPORT! I've yet to hear of any fictitious jackpot wins here in the UK - only those who don't get paid  Between that and casinos displaying their audited certifications i think anything else on them would be overkill - the only exception to that is that I think what we lack here is a casino Ombudsmans like the Financial Conduct Authority

 

EG - in the UK we had Tesco selling horsemeat as beef! - these things happen and the problem is that the regulator normally only comes AFTER the event. So it's not just casinos that we're talking about here....

 

Where their is money there's greed - regulation, whistleblowing and deterrents are all you can hope for. 

 

Unfortunately some casino's operate with limited impunity and the financial sanctions, other than losing customers, isn't that great - Give you that one

[Afi4wins]

Haha all the best mate. I'm not going to chase them... I simply won't play online slots anymore. I agree that this is not going to change for now at least... only maybe if you could win them in court. In history i'm not sure if that has even happened in this category... I doubt it. They have way to much power and a backup by their Government in many cases.

 

Thanks for a constructive discussion. 

 

You're welcome mate...and any constructive discussion is always a good one...

but sometimes, a non-constructive discussion could also do some wonders too! Hehehe.

 

Example?  

 

Hmmm...sorry...I can't think of one right now...hahaha. 

[pinnit2015]

PS even for the non financial minded - have a read of Netent's annual accounts-you will find them interesting as they talk about the slots, expanding into other areas and even reference the specific slots 

[Baldurseljan]

Pinnit25, thanks for your helpful answer. I will at least take a look and see if I have enough strong case to back this up. 

 

If you know some sites which have been under such supervision, please comment and let me know. 

 

All the best.

[pinnit2015]

There was a case last year of the Casinorewards Group - it was a disgusting ad that make false references ( i believe) to a guy who had just lost his wife/kids (or something similar) to cancer, so he went and played a slot and hit the jackpot. I'm not sure if he did win it and it's just the 'backstory' was false.

 

Other things like 'Dave was up to his ears in debt' and hit the jackpot. They then proceed to quote 300k in debt. However....that included his  mortgage so it was wayyyy misleading. 

 

If you go to asa website you'll see the recent rulings. Not exactly the same as what you're saying, but you'll see the similarities in how affiliates and casinos bend the truth/mislead. 

 

Affiliates have been getting hammered but i'm pretty sure the casino's aren't entirely innocent as well. 

[cocopop3011]

Haha all the best mate. I'm not going to chase them... I simply won't play online slots anymore. I agree that this is not going to change for now at least... only maybe if you could win them in court. In history i'm not sure if that has even happened in this category... I doubt it. They have way to much power and a backup by their Government in many cases.

 

Thanks for a constructive discussion. 

 

Awww I'm gutted I missed out on this discussion!! Feel free to start another constructive discussion of course 

[ValDes]

Awww I'm gutted I missed out on this discussion!! Feel free to start another constructive discussion of course 

 

Actually, you missed absolutely nothing dear... Same old ''industry doubts'', followed by same old speculations...  

[pinnit2015]

Actually, you missed absolutely nothing dear... Same old ''industry doubts'', followed by same old speculations...

Which, if some of the asa ruling have shown, are not without merit 

 

Personally, i don't distrust casinos or i wouldn't play there, but 'professional scepticism' is no bad thing 

 

People might have thought a well respected brand like Volkwagen wouldn't have mislead them, but they did

 

By virtue of RTP's being below 100% slots are inherently rigged but that doesn't mean there's anything illegal 

 

There are casinos that a morally bankrupt but, here's an idea, don't play at them. Simple. Same way as supermarkets/car manufacturers are not beyond reproach in the examples above. Been like that since the dawn of time. 

[ValDes]

Which, if some of the asa ruling have shown, are not without merit 

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I guess we will have the rare opportunity to be direct witnesses to that process... Very curious to see how some of the ASA new advertising requirements would ever be set in place...

 

 

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Personally, i don't distrust casinos or i wouldn't play there, but 'professional scepticism' is no bad thing  ...

 

My personal credo for the last 15+ years being ton all possible sides of the 'barricade' when to comes to iGaming business... Works like charm so far.

 

 

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People might have thought a well respected brand like Volkwagen wouldn't have mislead them, but they did ...

 

Just like Google, FB and Apple are doing with gathering personal info without any permissions or saving billions of corporate taxes.... That's life and it's worst 'dimension' called business...

 

 

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There are casinos that a morally bankrupt but, here's an idea, don't play at them. Simple. Same way as supermarkets/car manufacturers are not beyond reproach in the examples above. Been like that since the dawn of time. 

 

Couldn't agree more! 

[Baldurseljan]

Actually, you missed absolutely nothing dear... Same old ''industry doubts'', followed by same old speculations..

 

Great debate Mr. ValDes. Are you connected into this online business model? At least bring some good reasons why you are stating this opinion of yours. 

 

Funny to see some nonsense assertion like this. Back it up and then I will listen. 

 

,,Same old industry doubts", Yes of course....every business model so far in the history have been 100% legal.

 

Thx for your input Einstein. 

[ValDes]

Great debate Mr. ValDes. Are you connected into this online business model? At least bring some good reasons why you are stating this opinion of yours. 

 

Funny to see some nonsense assertion like this. Back it up and then I will listen. 

 

,,Same old industry doubts", Yes of course....every business model so far in the history have been 100% legal.

 

Thx for your input Einstein. 

 

Reading such posts make me feel sorry for players like you - lack of respect, lack of basic industry knowledge, lack of sense of humor... 

 

No point in arguing with someone who is not ready to listen in a first place, so I'm done here. Which doesn't mean your arrogant attitude will be tolerated of course. One more of the same ***** quoted above and you will be kicked out from here in a blink of an eye, guaranteed! 

 

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