Question regarding eCOGRA

[Stu54321]

Hi,

 

I have a question regarding Ecogra

 

If I'm asked to supply an affidavit from Ecogra and to Ecogra, does this mean that providing all is correct and true and they get what they have asked for then will I have the case ruled in my favour?

 

I ask due to if being requested for this information then I assume when provided it will go in my favour or they wouldn't of asked for it.

 

Appreciate any comments or help/advice

[Afi4wins]

Hi Stu, welcome to Askgamblers forum. 

 

I'm no expert on such things, but from my understanding of law proceedings, asking for affidavit is a necessity before any case can be ascertained as valid for the next proceeding (judgement) or otherwise. Without any affidavit, a case is just a lot of empty talk and no authority would take up the case.

 

Submitting your affidavit to eCOGRA does not mean that they will act in your favour. All it does is to substantiate what you are claiming against a casino for their wrongdoings or Breach of Rule. eCOGRA need to scrutinise these affidavit to get a good and clear picture of the whole situation. That's all it does. The outcome of it all (the final decision) would depend on eCOGRA's own discretion.

 

Hope that helps Stu. 

[ValDes]

Hi,

 

I have a question regarding Ecogra

 

If I'm asked to supply an affidavit from Ecogra and to Ecogra, does this mean that providing all is correct and true and they get what they have asked for then will I have the case ruled in my favour?

 

I ask due to if being requested for this information then I assume when provided it will go in my favour or they wouldn't of asked for it.

 

Appreciate any comments or help/advice

 

Hello there and welcome to AskGamblers. 

 

Like Afi4wins suggested above and as far as I am in aware of the eCOGRA's complaints process, submitting affidavit is just part of the necessary procedures and requirements to get your case reviewed accordingly. So, you'd better comply with their requirements and do all necessary to cooperate during the complaints process and keep in mind that this has nothing to do with the possible outcome.

 

Let us know in case you need further assistance. 

[Stu54321]

Hello everyone and I thank you for your quick responses, much appreciated,

 

I was under the impression that when Ecogra sent me a response and was asking for proof of documents or they would close the case in casinos favour then it seemed that they were looking for a resolution on my side after I sent this document proof when they come back asking for swear on oath affidavit at a solicitors office which has been done and now awaiting reply from My solicitor who is dealing with Ecogra,

 

I wasn't sure that the affidavit was important in most cases at this early stage of ADR, it would be good to see cases put before Ecogra previously or court even which have been resolved , is their any where I can find such information?

 

I know it doesn't probably matter what amount we are talking about here regarding Ecogra but it is substantial and over £250,000, it's been ongoing for over a year now so hopefully will receive some good news soon,

 

 

 

Thanks once again

[Afi4wins]

Hello everyone and I thank you for your quick responses, much appreciated,

 

I was under the impression that when Ecogra sent me a response and was asking for proof of documents or they would close the case in casinos favour then it seemed that they were looking for a resolution on my side after I sent this document proof when they come back asking for swear on oath affidavit at a solicitors office which has been done and now awaiting reply from My solicitor who is dealing with Ecogra,

 

I wasn't sure that the affidavit was important in most cases at this early stage of ADR, it would be good to see cases put before Ecogra previously or court even which have been resolved , is their any where I can find such information?

 

I know it doesn't probably matter what amount we are talking about here regarding Ecogra but it is substantial and over £250,000, it's been ongoing for over a year now so hopefully will receive some good news soon,

 

 

 

Thanks once again

 

OMG!  That is a huge amount of winnings my friend! No wonder it has taken so long to resolve.

 

If that amount was won from a jackpot, this shouldn't be much of a problem at all, but if won from playing games alone, then there's a lot at stake and everyone would need to be 100% sure before making a final decision.

 

Anyhow, all the best to you and hope you get your money soon! 

[Stu54321]

Thanks Afi

 

I think around over 60 big wins altogether , was unbelievably lucky , just started small and increased stakes over more wins and just had my day I guess.

 

As I said I thought promising as the win wasn't simply ruled out by Ecogra , (non bonus related) but the company has paid a substantial amount already then said I broke terms and confiscated account then come back with a further offer to settle after involving professional help which I refused the offer and here we are. It would be nice to find similar cases which are hard to come by, it's been a rough year knowing I won legitimately but they have me on a technicality.

 

I do know of cases previously where people have been paid in same circumstances but due to the amount I think they are trying to get out of it.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated however

 

Thanks again

Stu

[Afi4wins]

Hmmmm...wish I can help you out with more advice...but I guess I can't.

 

With technicalities involved, your lawyers would be in a much better position to do these things for you! 

[Stu54321]

Yeah your right, I guess I'm just looking for an answer that I won't find until a judge decides

[Afi4wins]

Yeah your right, I guess I'm just looking for an answer that I won't find until a judge decides

 

When you do get your money, then let us know...so we can join in the rejoicing! 

[MacdoniS]

I agree, you must wait the decision of eCOGRA because the proof that you submit is the basis of them all. If you think that your proof was stronEg the decision of eCOGRA must be in your favor mate. Good luck to your pending case Stu! 

[MacdoniS]

When you do get your money, then let us know...so we can join in the rejoicing! 

and also if you got it and have some time you can bring us a bottle of beers...    

 

 

[Stu54321]

I agree, you must wait the decision of eCOGRA because the proof that you submit is the basis of them all. If you think that your proof was stronEg the decision of eCOGRA must be in your favor mate. Good luck to your pending case Stu!

 

 

Thanks for this

 

Sorry what did you mean by basis of them all please?

 

The proof I have is exactly the proof Ecogra has asked for , this is why I thought their is a chance in my favour but apparently I did breach a term so I already ruled out Ecogra due to breach in term and so I've heard any breach in term will be ruled in favour of casino no matter what, so was just doing Ecogra as i have to as it helps in court , this is why I'm surprised to be asked for affidavit as they already know the full story and assumed it would of already been ruled against, Ecogra have had the case since November - if that makes sense ! Anyway, any questions pls ask

 

Stu

[Stu54321]

and also if you got it and have some time you can bring us a bottle of beers...

 

 

 

Thanks for the positive words guys, first time on a forum like this and I must say I do like it, but I don't want to get my hopes up to much at this point but if it comes in then I'll sort something for the forum for all your comments and help and I will even tell others of my experience after I win or lose however their may be a gagging clause but that's if I name the casino I think.

 

 

Question: I would like to ask what do people think about taking a online casino to court over a contractual dispute and does anyone have any experience of this? (I can't find a case of this sort anywhere and I have searched high and low)

 

Also I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Weather a term was broke or not I believe a judge looks at this in many different ways to black and white like a lot of ADR's (like Ecogra so I believe) the judge however I believe wants more fairness and to do the right thing other than casinos simply not wanting to pay which is the way it seems especially after being made a decent 5 figure offer as soon as I got proffessinal help involved only after telling me I wasn't getting a penny.

 

I can prove beyond any doubt that I didn't actually do anything wrong Other than a "genuine mistake" which in most cases can very easily be rectified using a third party authorisation form, and yes a breach of terms which I wasn't aware of even after accruing winnings of over £10,000 and then being fully verified and then providing all the documents requested by the casino at that point to verify me "which was all accepted which I have proof" so then I carried on playing and then after turning over around £250,000 pounds and then being paid a large some of money and only at this point they say I breached terms and wanted their money back then a second letter come with keep the money paid with a large sweetener to have me go away.

 

 

Thoughts on this are appreciated

 

Questions welcome

 

 

Stu

[ValDes]

I wouldn't really recommend you revealing so much details regarding your case, especially considering the fact it's being dealt with eCOGRA as we speak. Confidentiality has always been an integral part of the ADR process and maybe it's just about time stopping the discussions and wait for their final decision. Just a friendly advice...

[Afi4wins]

Your issues may be a very sensitive topic to talk and discuss about, because of those little 'technicalities' which none of us at Askgamblers really know about. I'm afraid that even some suggestions might be given 'wrongly', based purely on 'assumptions', which is not really good for you, Stu.

 

Looking at 'contracts' in a broad horizon, it is without any doubt that any contractual documentation is made to favour and in favour of the intended benefactor of the contract. Casino's Terms and Conditions are likewise too, simply to protect the business and to protect the huge amounts invested into the casino. There isn't a complete '100% fairness' in any contracts - contracts are almost always siding the benefactor, even if only by a very small margin- usually found in the very fine prints.

 

When we agree to abide by the casino's T&Cs, we are actually taking up a contractual agreement with the casino, and casino's T&Cs are well known to be more heavily siding the benefactor, the casino. These T&Cs can never be made to be completely fair, but can be made to look like a reasonable 'win-win' proposition, acceptable enough for all concerned authorities to approve and implement.

 

What this all means is that, we, the general public, have very little inkling of the actual 'hidden meanings in the fine prints'. These may be so ambiguously documented so as to allow a certain 'favour' to the benefactor, and lawyers know this. Hence, where such technicalities and ambiguity comes into play, such as in your case, Stu, then it is best to leave everything to your more-informed lawyers. Since this case is still on-going, certain statements by anybody may become 'implicative' and detrimental to your case, especially when this matter goes into the courts!

 

So please, be very careful with what you say or do, Stu. We don't want you to jeopardise your good chances, much less to smear it with accidental 'implicative' accuses or statements against the casino or the Gambling Authorities. 

[Afi4wins]

I wouldn't really recommend you revealing so much details regarding your case, especially considering the fact it's being dealt with eCOGRA as we speak. Confidentiality has always been an integral part of the ADR process and maybe it's just about time stopping the discussions and wait for their final decision. Just a friendly advice...

 

2 minds thinking alike and posting at the same time too! 

[MacdoniS]

Thanks for the positive words guys, first time on a forum like this and I must say I do like it, but I don't want to get my hopes up to much at this point but if it comes in then I'll sort something for the forum for all your comments and help and I will even tell others of my experience after I win or lose however their may be a gagging clause but that's if I name the casino I think.

 

 

Question: I would like to ask what do people think about taking a online casino to court over a contractual dispute and does anyone have any experience of this? (I can't find a case of this sort anywhere and I have searched high and low)

 

Also I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) Weather a term was broke or not I believe a judge looks at this in many different ways to black and white like a lot of ADR's (like Ecogra so I believe) the judge however I believe wants more fairness and to do the right thing other than casinos simply not wanting to pay which is the way it seems especially after being made a decent 5 figure offer as soon as I got proffessinal help involved only after telling me I wasn't getting a penny.

 

I can prove beyond any doubt that I didn't actually do anything wrong Other than a "genuine mistake" which in most cases can very easily be rectified using a third party authorisation form, and yes a breach of terms which I wasn't aware of even after accruing winnings of over £10,000 and then being fully verified and then providing all the documents requested by the casino at that point to verify me "which was all accepted which I have proof" so then I carried on playing and then after turning over around £250,000 pounds and then being paid a large some of money and only at this point they say I breached terms and wanted their money back then a second letter come with keep the money paid with a large sweetener to have me go away.

 

 

Thoughts on this are appreciated

 

Questions welcome

 

 

Stu

Yeah, there is a saying that...

 

Don't Count Your Chickens Before They Hatch

 

Same as your case you must be patient Stu all will be fine. 

[Hellridah]

I'll be watching this topic with keen interest seems intriguing indeed ! . 

[cocopop3011]

I'll be watching this topic with keen interest seems intriguing indeed ! . 

 

Out of curiosity have you had any issues with eCOGRA, or just interested?

[ValDes]

Out of curiosity have you had any issues with eCOGRA, or just interested?

 

Sincerely doubt you will ever receive an answer to your question, dear... Gamaliel aka Astaroth aka CasinoVizier asked for his account to be closed, the reason - he was trying to use AG forum for the purpose of advertising his own affiliate website without our permission which is a blatant violation of the Forum Rules. 

[cocopop3011]

Sincerely doubt you will eve receive an answer to your question, dear... Gamaliel aka Astaroth aka CasinoVizier asked for his account to be closed, the reason - he was trying to use AG forum for the purpose of advertising his own affiliate website without our permission which is a blatant violation of the Forum Rules. 

 

Tut, Tut!! Naughty boy 

[Jockey2015]

Hi,

 

I have a question regarding Ecogra

 

If I'm asked to supply an affidavit from Ecogra and to Ecogra, does this mean that providing all is correct and true and they get what they have asked for then will I have the case ruled in my favour?

 

I ask due to if being requested for this information then I assume when provided it will go in my favour or they wouldn't of asked for it.

 

Appreciate any comments or help/advice

 

So how are things coming along mate did you get a result ?