Problem with max bet at Caribic Casino

[LeoDubbed]

Ok so you want to compare to land based casinos do you, ok great!

1. A land based casino will not allow you to bet above the maximum allowed, whereas an online casino lets you just so they can use it against you.

 

2. I have seen it happen maybe 2 or 3 times at a blackjack table where someone has accidently bet above the max, the dealer ddnt notice and the hands where dealt, the dealer noticed mid hand or at the end of hand, called the boss over and the boss said each time let the hand play with results standing, the person won each time and was allowed to keep his winnings. Had he lost I reckon he may of had a case to get the excess refunded, although thats a whole different issue and dont concentrate on that point due to convenience.

 

3. I wasnt asking for my money back i was looking to cashout my own money which i had deposited, the land based equivalent of still having the chips in my hand.

You are missing the point here.

 

Were you or were you not playing with bonus money?

If you didn't then like I said before, there's no way you could bet above the maximum bet allowed. I've played blackjack before and in my experience I couldn't bet higher than the limit, I tried.

[cocopop3011]

You are missing the point here.

 

Were you or were you not playing with bonus money?

If you didn't then like I said before, there's no way you could bet above the maximum bet allowed. I've played blackjack before and in my experience I couldn't bet higher than the limit, I tried.

 

It's my understanding that he wasn't playing with a bonus but there is still a $50 max bet even without a bonus and he placed $90 hands

 

Totally agreed I should have read them first, so what price do i pay for not reading them first? Please explain to me and everyone else interested (as i know there are quite a few) how you feel about the actual main point i'm raising. I realise this may be inconvenient to the agenda of many users to make an educated response to my issue. So if you feel the need to divert your comment from my main point of concern then could you please save it for a more relevant post.

 

I will copy and paste my point of concern and if there is anyone with a fair mind, no agenda and an education level above year 7, your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Please I ask again do not throw me a diversion or tell me I should have read the rules as I'm clearly stating I DID NOT READ RULES, but my question is what price should I pay for this oversight?

 

For this to be entirely fair it must mean that the casino would have refunded him had he lost any money he deposited, at least from the moment he accidently bet too much forward. Surely u people aren't condoning a casino be allowed to take your winnings from you, yet had you have lost the money after breaching or abusing (by gambling over the allowed amount) still be allowed to keep the money you have lost, given you had no chance of winning and could only in fact lose from that point on. Nobody is suggesting that is fair i hope are they?

 

See if the casino has not bothered to cap the bets that they put a maximum on and they still allow people to make these bets, then when they go to withdraw decide to tell them they broke the rules so they cant have their money, then surely anyone who breaks the rules should get the money they deposited back also, because in hindsight they where gambling with no possibility of winning, where they not?

 

I will try to simplify this for everyone with my example cut and paste from above

 

Wouldn't read about it, but I was unsure about these max bet rules and accidently gambled many hands above the allowed limit, then someone told me that the max was well below what i was wagering, so I immediately stopped and lowered my bet, then when i got to the amount i deposited I thought I'd better contact support to tell them this to see if i still can win or whether i may as well cashout now, despite being told they would be with me shortly i waited an hour, then couldn't wait any longer and continued to gamble and lost the lot in straight hands, now should i get this back or not? Given that I had no possibility of winning as when I went to cashout I would have been told I abused bet.

 

The amount I lost was $1000. One could elect to look at it this way (although I'm not), is failing to read the rules worth a $1000 fine?

 

A simple answer. Yes. Not reading the rules means you lose $1000.

 

It really doesn't matter whether any of us here think this is fair or not, we could argue that point all day long. Fact of the matter is the casino has rules and whether we like them or not you broke the rules and have to face the consequences.

 

And before you jump down my throat that is applicable to any member at any casino, this is NOT personal to you.

[LeoDubbed]

Well, I guess Coco just explained it clearly. I think you should take it to the casino and find out what they have to say. Losing money is not a good feeling and we all make mistakes and learn from it. As my nana always says, if you make a mistake, own it, man up and move on.

[andy123]

It is a very sad state of affairs when the casinos run the forums like they do here,leodubbed and admin are the same person, both males, not a pretty girl like in the picture, they are devoid of any common sense or compassion for the families that get torn apart from problem gambling.

 

They failed to address any point I made and just ridiculed me. Good job to have is it mate? How'd you sleep at night? Im not bothering to respond to your worthless commentary,you have a strict agenda that you steadfastly abide by. Catchya later mate.

 

BTW what casino do you gamble at?

 

Sorry forgot that employees arent allowed to gamble.

[andy123]

It's my understanding that he wasn't playing with a bonus but there is still a $50 max bet even without a bonus and he placed $90 hands

 

 

A simple answer. Yes. Not reading the rules means you lose $1000.

 

It really doesn't matter whether any of us here think this is fair or not, we could argue that point all day long. Fact of the matter is the casino has rules and whether we like them or not you broke the rules and have to face the consequences.

 

And before you jump down my throat that is applicable to any member at any casino, this is NOT personal to you.

Why wouldI jump down your throat, you did exactly as I predicted in my post, didnt address anything and asked me not to jump down your throat cos we could argue this all night or something you said. I just merely asked if we could discuss it but you casino workers dont want us doing that, because its not convenient ,pfft!

[andy123]

Why are you continuing to be rude? Do you honestly think that there will be anyone here at the forum that will want to help you with the stinking attitude you have just because you didn't read the terms?

How was I rude? More to the point can you cut and paste me a quote, just one single quote from the thousands you have made where you have actually tried to genuinely help someone? Your definition of help is undoubtedly to convince people that the manner in which your casino has scammed them is totally justifiable, then in your passive aggresive manner slowly and courteously get inside their head, and the heads of all the readers and convince them that it was totally all their fault and they need to get over it and stop being such a sook.

Your very good at this as you do it for a living. You mate are a sociopath without a sole and no conscience whatsoever. Its people like you that need to be jailed for life!

[andy123]

OK for the sake of facilitating an actual discussion on myquestion, let me try and make it very clear. Please distinguish my question below from with any question about whether the casino has the contractual right to take any winnings. It is related, but this was not my question. 

 

For the purpose of clarity, this discussion is about my initial deposit amount only, not about any winnings over and above my initial deposit amount.  Lets leave this out of the conversation.

 

Using a real example. Lets say that, i was betting at a new casino and without realising, I breached the maximum bet rule by playing $90 instead of $50. I then continued to play without realising that I had breached the maximum bet rule. In any normal casino, virtual or otherwise, you would not be allowed to play over the maximum bet permitted. So any reasonable person would see it as a reasonable assumption that, by being able to place a $90 bet, the casino would not then stipulate rules disallowing this. Now to be clear, this was not bonus money, this was my own money and I had not accepted any bonus and no bonus requirements were applicable to the money. 

 

Now, having breached the maximum bet rule without realising, I continue betting. I then realise the potential mistake and initiate conversation with the casino informing them of the situation, and I do not receive any response. Now, the casino was aware of my breach, because I had also sent them a message seeking information and advice.

 

Now what price should I pay for this oversight?

 

Is it fair that the casino allows me to continue betting, despite them being aware that I have breached the maximum bet rule which automatically excludes me from being able to win any money?

 

Should the casino be allowed to retain the money I deposited, given that:

a) it was 'dead' money, meaning that there was no possibility to win any money from it and similarly, the casino knew they was no potential for them to lose any money because they had excluded the player from winning;and

the money was 'dead' money due to the rules which the casino chose to loosely enforce? By loosely,I mean that they enforced the rule contractually, but did not enforce the rule operationally (even though they have the means to do so). 

 

From the moment that there was no longer the opportunity to successfully wager, is it fair that they keep this money? From the point that the contractual terms were broken, the consequences took effect immediately,so should the casino allow the player to continue wagering, despite the casino knowing that the 'punishment' was already in force?

 

Essentially, even though the consequences take effect instantly, the casino actually allows the player to continue wagering, and then only retrospectively enforces the consequence on the player.

[LeoDubbed]

How was I rude? More to the point can you cut and paste me a quote, just one single quote from the thousands you have made where you have actually tried to genuinely help someone? Your definition of help is undoubtedly to convince people that the manner in which your casino has scammed them is totally justifiable, then in your passive aggresive manner slowly and courteously get inside their head, and the heads of all the readers and convince them that it was totally all their fault and they need to get over it and stop being such a sook.

Your very good at this as you do it for a living. You mate are a sociopath without a sole and no conscience whatsoever. Its people like you that need to be jailed for life!

Do yourself a favor, stop gambling! It's clearly you have more problems than gambling only. We are trying to explain to you and share our experience but apparently you just won't accept them. I really feel sad for you, I truly am but blaming others for your own doing won't get you far in this world. Get help.

[ValDes]

Alright, enough is enough! 

 

Andy, you should go to a psychiatrist, it's urgent, obviously...

 

And of course, enjoy your permanent vacation from here. ...

[Fiekie247]

Alright, enough is enough! 

 

Andy, you should go to a psychiatrist, it's urgent obviously...

 

And of course, enjoy your permanent vacation from here. ...

Its to forum topics like this where i do not bother to respond.

 

Because i know Guru will take care of things like this.

[cocopop3011]

Alright, enough is enough! 

 

Andy, you should go to a psychiatrist, it's urgent obviously...

 

And of course, enjoy your permanent vacation from here. ...

 

  Well said! Thanks for jumping in on this one Val, much appreciated. I was silly enough to give him the benefit of the doubt of a decent reply 

[cocopop3011]

Its to forum topics like this where i do not bother to respond.

 

Because i know Guru will take care of things like this.

 

Well yes!! I should have taken care of it after his first rude post, guess I'm too gullible 

[Fiekie247]

Well yes!! I should have taken care of it after his first rude post, guess I'm too gullible 

Comon you Sharon - We know you have a soft spot lol.

[cocopop3011]

Comon you Sharon - We know you have a soft spot lol.