Can online casinos detect your strategy?

[ozhsv]

I am a bit paranoid to reveal my "strategy" but here goes: I play 5 spins at the lowest stake, and then 1 spin at high stake, and then I just repeat. But yeah, I guess it is just about luck.

Interesting, but dont u get tired continually changing your bet?

 

And in regards to your question - I have occasionally wondered the same. ie is someone watching me and ***** down my returns, particularly when Ive significantly increased my balance with some good wins, but I really doubt it. For one it would be illegal, and if your playing at one of the more reputable casinos therefore very unlikely. With regards to your losing streak I can identify with you. Shortly after I started betting regularly a few mths ago I had a big win on Gold Factory slot winning $2000 then betting big I upped it to $4000 which I withdrew. Since then I had a few decent wins - $1200, $900, $1000 and a few smaller wins in the hundreds of dollars but the last 2 weeks I cant seem to win anything lol. Cocopop3011's advice is something I am going to take onboard. I'm just having a run of bad luck. I think the trick is though not to try and 'force' your wins by betting bigger. I'll keep depositing $20-$30 as I used to and betting small with a goal of having some fun. if I win great, but I wont be sucked in to chasing my losses. I think I'll get lucky again sooner or later. You have to lose to win.

 

As a side note, I know a guy who started a Bitcoin casino a couple of years ago & he let me test it for him before it went public. I noticed sometimes I won big then other times I couldnt win a thing. When I queired him about it he said "the slot machine will only pay from what it has accumulated". in other words, sometimes it just doesnt 'owe' anything and has no positive balance (bearing in mind the 96% return it paid) so it couldnt physically pay a big win. I'm assuming this is how most online casinos operate. 

[cocopop3011]

You have to lose to win.

 

 

 

Your absolutely spot on! Of course you have to lose to win, no one ever wins, wins, wins!

 

Never go into a session expecting to win because chances are you'll be disappointed. I go into my sessions expecting nothing but a gaming session which I enjoy, anything extra I get out of it is a bonus.

 

Just my opinion of course.

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

Interesting, but dont u get tired continually changing your bet?

 

And in regards to your question - I have occasionally wondered the same. ie is someone watching me and ***** down my returns, particularly when Ive significantly increased my balance with some good wins, but I really doubt it. For one it would be illegal, and if your playing at one of the more reputable casinos therefore very unlikely. With regards to your losing streak I can identify with you. Shortly after I started betting regularly a few mths ago I had a big win on Gold Factory slot winning $2000 then betting big I upped it to $4000 which I withdrew. Since then I had a few decent wins - $1200, $900, $1000 and a few smaller wins in the hundreds of dollars but the last 2 weeks I cant seem to win anything lol. Cocopop3011's advice is something I am going to take onboard. I'm just having a run of bad luck. I think the trick is though not to try and 'force' your wins by betting bigger. I'll keep depositing $20-$30 as I used to and betting small with a goal of having some fun. if I win great, but I wont be sucked in to chasing my losses. I think I'll get lucky again sooner or later. You have to lose to win.

 

As a side note, I know a guy who started a Bitcoin casino a couple of years ago & he let me test it for him before it went public. I noticed sometimes I won big then other times I couldnt win a thing. When I queired him about it he said "the slot machine will only pay from what it has accumulated". in other words, sometimes it just doesnt 'owe' anything and has no positive balance (bearing in mind the 96% return it paid) so it couldnt physically pay a big win. I'm assuming this is how most online casinos operate. 

 

What really protects you as a player in the casino world is the way it is build up. This is not really done on purpose but just the way the industry has developed. 99% of all casinos are build up in a way where they have several suppliers servicing their casino:

 

- Gaming Software Providers (NET ENT, Microgaming etc.)

- Operational providers (management systems to handle payments, player handling, partners etc.)

 

There are much more than just those, but those are the most important and your security really lies in the seperation between the Gaming Software Provider and the Operator. NET ENT doesn't want to give casinos a chance to "manipulate winnings and loses". The games have an RTP and there are such a mindbending number of spins on NET ENT slots worldwide every month, that by the end of the month NET ENT (as a whole) will be extremely close to the "real RTP". My guess would be that if the avr. RTP of all NET ENT slots is 96.5% (example) then this number landing at just 96.2% or 96.8% would be considered a "huge variance from the norm".

 

 

NET ENT has chosen to build up their games with this exact RTP becuase they have analyzed that this gives the best results (yes, it is a cruel world we live in). Coincidentally this also benefit the players since the optimum has been deemed to lie at quite a high level of payback to the player. But you can rest assured that if the optimum was at 85% then the GSP's would have placed the RTP there.

 

So, since this is the optimum the GSPs don't want to deviate from that and obviously they don't want the scandal and risk of losing license that a big case of "adjusting winnings/loses" would create. Hence, they don't give anyone the option of messing with there games.

 

When you play a game from a certain GSP you actually play on their server. The casino operator "tells" the GSP when the sessions starts, how much money you have in your wallet and that gets transferred to the game. Once you close the game the GSP tells the operator how much money you have left and that is transferred to your wallet with the operator (in a nutshell).

 

What goes one while you play a game the operator have no technical way to interfere with or manipulate. Simply because it is not in the interest of the GSP (and probably also because it would be douchebaggery at a high level).

 

So, an operator having a bad month have no technical way of "manipulating" the results to save the month during the last 5 days. Also, since GSPs don't care at all who wins or loses (they just want the RTP to come home) there is no incentive for them to regulate the winnings/loses of individual players.

 

This build up of the industry is really good for the players.

 

Technically you should only worry about a casino that has developed their own games and control them themselves (note in this regard that you still get the same security if a casino has custom games, as long as they are made and delivered by a 3rd party GSP).

 

Your absolutely spot on! Of course you have to lose to win, no one ever wins, wins, wins!

 

Never go into a session expecting to win because chances are you'll be disappointed. I go into my sessions expecting nothing but a gaming session which I enjoy, anything extra I get out of it is a bonus.

 

Just my opinion of course.

 

An important point here is also, that players have a tendency to lose a little or win a lot. Most player withdraw after winning maybe 5-20 times their deposit. This naturally also creates more sessions of loses than wins than for instance a player who always withdraw after doubling up.

[cocopop3011]

Thanks again for your invaluable input.

 

I think in this industry there will always, always be speculation around this and you have your two types of gamblers.

 

Those who gamble who believe its down to pure luck and those who gamble yet still believe that somehow the casino can rig whether you win or not. It's these types of gamblers I will never, ever understand.

 

If I ever suspected that a casino was able to detect how I play and influence my winning or loosing I'd never even look twice at that casino again let alone deposit my hard earned money there.

[Azzthatch]

I know that in the UK especially any game offered has to be certified to a certain level, not only that companies such as Stan James are regularly audited to make sure that we offer a fair and safe gaming experience...

 

All game results are a 100% random and overall customers should expect around a 96% payout percentage. However, the 96% payout percentage is across the board and is calculated over millions of bets, therefore as an individual you will experience periods of wins and losses, that's all part of the game unfortunately.

 

Just make sure you play within your means and if you do win, happy days

[LeoDubbed]

I agree with you azzthatch,

 

Online slots are different from landbased casino, if you win at a landbased slot (big win) the chance of hitting another big win after that is very small. I said small but not impossible.

When I won a big win at an online slot I just refresh the game so you play on a new session

[ValDes]

I agree with you azzthatch,

 

Online slots are different from landbased casino, if you win at a landbased slot (big win) the chance of hitting another big win after that is very small. I said small but not impossible.

When I won a big win at an online slot I just refresh the game so you play on a new session

 

Not working for me though. Moreover, in 99% that's a sure recipe for a disaster as it will result in losing all winnings from the previous session... But still, if it works for you then everything is fine I guess.

[sorenjo]

I agree with you azzthatch,

 

Online slots are different from landbased casino, if you win at a landbased slot (big win) the chance of hitting another big win after that is very small. I said small but not impossible.

When I won a big win at an online slot I just refresh the game so you play on a new session

As I understamd it is all random, so whether you refresh or not does not matter. All that matters is when you hit that spin button, correct? But yeah if it works for you that's kewl

[LeoDubbed]

With refresh I ment log out and log in again then play the game, that's how you get a new game session. By pressing the refresh button it won't work because you'll be entering the same session...picked up where you left off. A new session shows the standard coin value.

[LeoDubbed]

There is one slot where you can convert your bonus money into real cash but apparently they found out

[cocopop3011]

There is one slot where you can convert your bonus money into real cash but apparently they found out

 

Not sure what you mean with this - care to elaborate?

[LeoDubbed]

Well cocopop,

I am a very curious person and I always looking for a way to beat the system or just finding the flaw.

A few month ago I found a slot game that has (had) a flaw.

This game actually convert my bonus money into real cash and this way I earn a few hunderds of euros.

A few weeks ago I tried it again but they have fixed the problem

I think a few people have noticed this.

This game has a manually trigger bonus round so I played till my bonus money was gone...log out...log in and then trigger the bonus round(s) and the outcome of those bonus rounds are (were) always real cash!

[ValDes]

Well cocopop,

I am a very curious person and I always looking for a way to beat the system or just finding the flaw.

A few month ago I found a slot game that has (had) a flaw.

This game actually convert my bonus money into real cash and this way I earn a few hunderds of euros.

A few weeks ago I tried it again but they have fixed the problem

I think a few people have noticed this.

This game has a manually trigger bonus round so I played till my bonus money was gone...log out...log in and then trigger the bonus round(s) and the outcome of those bonus rounds are (were) always real cash!

 

Hehe, if you refer to games such as Castle Builder and Tower Quest you should know that casino are perfectly in aware of this so called strategy from day one these games have been released.  

[LeoDubbed]

Hehe, if you refer to games such as Castle Builder and Tower Quest you should know that casino are perfectly in aware of this so called strategy from day one these games have been released.

and they have fixed this problem...pity...veeerrry pity LOL

[ValDes]

and they have fixed this problem...pity...veeerrry pity LOL

 

Let me assure you that this ''trick'' is being used by online punters from ages and it was Microgaming who first described it as an example of irregular play when wagering with bonus funds....Some 10+ years ago as far as I remember...  

[LeoDubbed]

Let me assure you that this ''trick'' is being used by online punters from ages and it was Microgaming who first described it as an example of irregular play when wagering with bonus funds....Some 10+ years ago as far as I remember...

now I really feel like a noob.

[ValDes]

now I really feel like a noob.

 

No need to, we are all learning on the go when it comes to online gambling since it is changing rapidly all the time...

 

Here's an example of how Microgaming and Casino Rewards casinos fixed this flaw:

 

 

 

Colosseum Casino reserves the right to withhold any withdrawals and/or confiscate all winnings for irregular play. 'Irregular play' includes but is not limited to any one or more of the following types of play:

1. Placing single bets equal to or in excess of 25% or more of the value of the bonus credited to the account prior to the play-through requirement for that bonus having been met;  A single bet in Roulette counts as the total of all chips placed on the table when the wheel is spun.
2. Using the double-up feature to increase bet values;
3. Even money bets on Sic Bo, Craps and Roulette
4. Starting a game's feature after the bonus balance used to build up the credits towards the feature has reached 0.

[LeoDubbed]

No need to, we are all learning on the go when it comes to online gambling since it is changing rapidly all the time...

 

Here's an example of how Microgaming and Casino Rewards casinos fixed this flaw:

thanks for the heads up ValDes, I never read those terms, too much text to read and I never want to fall asleep behind my desk

[ValDes]

thanks for the heads up ValDes, I never read those terms, too much text to read and I never want to fall asleep behind my desk

 

Naah, you must start reading these terms, all of it... Otherwise you risk not only fall asleep but also losing your hard earned withdrawal due to some bonus term violation. 

[cocopop3011]

Well cocopop,

I am a very curious person and I always looking for a way to beat the system or just finding the flaw.

A few month ago I found a slot game that has (had) a flaw.

This game actually convert my bonus money into real cash and this way I earn a few hunderds of euros.

A few weeks ago I tried it again but they have fixed the problem

I think a few people have noticed this.

This game has a manually trigger bonus round so I played till my bonus money was gone...log out...log in and then trigger the bonus round(s) and the outcome of those bonus rounds are (were) always real cash!

 

Yep and it was only recently we were talking about such games in another thread actually.

[Johnnygotthebone]

I used to live thinking that casinos were keeping track of my game play.

 

So I started changing my IP and opening new accounts under other people's name.

 

End result, no change. When it's destined for u to lose, u will lose.

 

Like me on 32red in 2014. I tried everything. 5 accounts in all I think. IP addresses from everywhere. Never made a withdrawal. 50k in deposits.

 

All random. Providers don't base their pay outs on your play.

 

 

One thing I believe though is that every casino has its own arrangement with providers. Although many debate this theory, many don't. At the end of the day, only the casinos know therefore being unable to prove this theory makes it unjustifiable.

 

If u play smart, u may win. I have not made a deposit since my Friday winnings. Yup. I like to have the upper hand and stay in control. Even if a casino was able to detect a strategy, good luck detecting mine. Impossible.

 

Since there is really no strategy to game, just COMMON SENSE, I am confident casinos do not track a million spins per second.

 

I am sure of it this for slots. But.... Blackjack and Roullette is a different story. I saw 12 blacks show up in a row. 10 even numbers etc.... That's ridiculous.

 

I used to play Roullette live, that does not happen. Now do they track you? Maybe. Who knows.

 

Play smart and stop thinking you are being studied. You're not. I am living proof of this. I used to lose all kinds until I got Smart. Play smart.

[LeoDubbed]

I used to live thinking that casinos were keeping track of my game play.

 

So I started changing my IP and opening new accounts under other people's name.

 

End result, no change. When it's destined for u to lose, u will lose.

 

Like me on 32red in 2014. I tried everything. 5 accounts in all I think. IP addresses from everywhere. Never made a withdrawal. 50k in deposits.

 

All random. Providers don't base their pay outs on your play.

 

 

One thing I believe though is that every casino has its own arrangement with providers. Although many debate this theory, many don't. At the end of the day, only the casinos know therefore being unable to prove this theory makes it unjustifiable.

 

If u play smart, u may win. I have not made a deposit since my Friday winnings. Yup. I like to have the upper hand and stay in control. Even if a casino was able to detect a strategy, good luck detecting mine. Impossible.

 

Since there is really no strategy to game, just COMMON SENSE, I am confident casinos do not track a million spins per second.

 

I am sure of it this for slots. But.... Blackjack and Roullette is a different story. I saw 12 blacks show up in a row. 10 even numbers etc.... That's ridiculous.

 

I used to play Roullette live, that does not happen. Now do they track you? Maybe. Who knows.

 

Play smart and stop thinking you are being studied. You're not. I am living proof of this. I used to lose all kinds until I got Smart. Play smart.

Not really smart of you creating account with someone else's name because that's what they call a fraud. be careful mate.

[Johnnygotthebone]

Wife and friends only slots.

 

Doesn't really matter anymore anyway, all of those of been excluded along time ago

[abilene]

Hi Sorenjo. Firstly, congratulations on your winnings. And secondly, I don’t think so online casinos detect your strategies. I believe while playing online or in a land based casino it’s the matter of your luck that also plays with you. Hope you will win again soon.

[Max.Shawn]

I don't think so they can distinguish anybody's strategy. They have their own particular programming which is very much customized by steps played by the player. 

In the event that you are playing <snip> at a trusted online club you are sheltered to play else you can confront trick.

Edited January 22, 2016 by ValDes
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