How slots work

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

Finally found out how to pronounce YGGDRASIL correctly...at Youtube...where else!

It is pronounced ig-druh-sirl. 

 

This looks wrong to me

 

Maybe you heard a non-scandinavian pronounce it because the will often make it sounds like an "i" instead of a "y" since that sounds is very uncommon in English. I really had to go the cartman way to come up with a sound that sounds like it

[luckyloser]

Here; Ygg·dra·sil \ˈig-drə-ˌsil\

 

 

Kinda hard to explain because we scandinavians pronounce the Y sound very different from english.

 

In Norwegian a Y is a vowel. It has one sound to it, just the Y.

 

In English Y is a consenant its pronounced W-H-Y where the Y sound at the end sounds like an I sound. 

 

So its really difficult to explain how to pronounce it right.

 

 

Here they get the YGG part right, the DRA sound almost, but the SIL part sounds wrong, because its an english speaker saying it and he has an accent.

[Luciana]

Du er morsom ) I know a few words including fi fan (something like ..go to *****?)

[Afi4wins]

Oh geees...but thank you both for trying to explain the correct pronunciation...appreciate it!

Maybe when I have a Norwegian girlfriend, then I'll be able to pronounce it perfectly!

 

For now, close enough is good enough for me...iigg-dre-sirl...

Or maybe I should just refer to it as 'that G-G game'...hehehe

[luckyloser]

Haha, Veldig bra, hvor har du lært det?

Its; Fy F A E N, but close lol.. F*** means F*** or S*** but its actually an old word for the Devil. F A E N  sjøl = the devil himself is an old saying. 

 

Where didd you learn Norwegian?

 

Wow, askgamblers auto censor apparently understands norwegian aswell 

[luckyloser]

Anyhow back on topic: 

 

 

 

We all know slots uses Psudorandom generators. 

 

So basicly they are not random as they will repeat when the RNG hits a simular seed number to whats been used before. It will basicly repeat a pattern.

 

It works kinda like this(simplified)

 

We seed the RNG with a number fore example the current time 2026 now multiply that by itself 2026*2026 = 4104676 then it ouputs the middle number of this as the result: 10467 then again it mutiplies 10467*10467 and then this formula repeats untill the RNG hits a number it has used before and then the sequence that first came after those numbers will repeat again.

 

So when the RNG again comes to the number 10467 again or any other number it has previously picked it will repeat the sequence derived from this number and onwards. Hence its not random... In fact if you know the seed number you can actually calculate the results to come.

 

So if a player knew the game mechanics and the RNG seed, they could actually always win.

[luckyloser]

So that they are using a PRNG is a fact not something i claim. And this is how a PRNG works.

 

So this raises a few questions with me. 

 

Do the game developers know the seed number? Is the seed number random?

 

In fact they can calculate the optimal seed number for proffit.. Or they could calculate a seed that makes the game pay very weel the first days after launch or vice versa. This would IMO be cheeting.

 

The only way these companies and casinos can claim its truly random is if they can prove that the seed number is totally randomly picked and is not calculated by them.

[Afi4wins]

Interesting points and facts there Luckyloser!

 

I guess scientifically, anything can be proven to be correct or proven to be wrong...if anyone bothers to go in-depth into all these Einstein stuff. Not for me, thanks.

 

But after all the millions of spins I've played on my favourite slot games, I KNOW FOR SURE that SOME winning cycles REPEAT THEMSELVES!!!

The winning amounts may differ...but to a certain extend, the win patterns can be PREDICTABLE!!!

[Luciana]

Haha, Veldig bra, hvor har du lært det?

Its; Fy F A E N, but close lol.. F*** means F*** or S*** but its actually an old word for the Devil. F A E N  sjøl = the devil himself is an old saying. 

 

Where didd you learn Norwegian?

 

Wow, askgamblers auto censor apparently understands norwegian aswell 

 

Hhahaha

 

Cool, thanks for correcting me..I just remembered it from live speaking

 

I have very good friend from Oslo

[luckyloser]

Hhahaha

 

Cool, thanks for correcting me..I just remembered it from live speaking

 

I have very good friend from Oslo

 

So have you ever been in Norway before?

[Luciana]

Not yet To be honest, was never attracted too much with it

[Afi4wins]

So have you ever been in Norway before?

 

If you asked me mate, my answer would be "no way..."

Not that I don't ever want to go to Norway...there's just no way for me to go there now.

[luckyloser]

Not yet To be honest, was never attracted too much with it

 

 

If you asked me mate, my answer would be "no way..."

Not that I don't ever want to go to Norway...there's just no way for me to go there now.

 

Its not that bad here   I live right outside of Oslo, and its cool, but up north and stuff i think its kinda boring. Pretty nature but, not very urban lol

[AnnaCasinoOfficial]

So that they are using a PRNG is a fact not something i claim. And this is how a PRNG works.

 

So this raises a few questions with me. 

 

Do the game developers know the seed number? Is the seed number random?

 

In fact they can calculate the optimal seed number for proffit.. Or they could calculate a seed that makes the game pay very weel the first days after launch or vice versa. This would IMO be cheeting.

 

The only way these companies and casinos can claim its truly random is if they can prove that the seed number is totally randomly picked and is not calculated by them.

 

I only know about the way RNG's in the gaming world work from back when I was in the poker industry. That is quite a while ago and it has probably updated from that time but this was how it worked:

 

1) You have a regular deck of 52 cards

2) These cards are constantly "shuffled"

3) Depending on the time you take to make your action the outcome can actually change

 

However, this makes the game subject to analysis and abuse if the shuffling is static. A computer would be able to meassure, if the last card to come out was for instance the ace of spades, how long it needed to wait until the action taken (bet, raise, check whatever) would result in for instance the ace of diamonds coming out.

 

This is countered by continously disturbing the RNG with something truly random - atmospheric disturbances. Basically a machine meassures atmospheric disturbances and this disturbance is random and hence continously disturb the shuffline algorithm so you can never calculate "where it is at".

 

In online casinos this becomes even better for the casino since there are millions of combinations that can be shown on the screen of the player and not just 52 cards (minus the ones already dealt) when it comes to poker.

 

So, if I am correct in my previous posts and an online slot basically work as cards and there is millions and millions of cards (and if you bet €1 on each of them you get the exact payback percentage back once finished) then basically the RNG that picks the number (which you are 100% correct can never be truly random) is continously scrambled by some form of natural randomness. Hence making it impossible for players to try and calculate when the next big win will hit and also ensure that operators/software provider can't predict the outcome either.

 

And if you think about it this makes sense. Imagine how easy it would be for a regular emplyee at a software developer to have one of his friends play at an online casino and then feed him information about the next big win, if this was something the employee could know about. Obviously the company that build the software would never allow this leak to happen since it would destroy their business so you can be fairly certain that they have safeguarded their product.

 

Now, my knowledge from the poker world is from probably 6-7 years back so I assume that it is done in a smarter way today but the concept should be roughly the same. They have a complicated RNG which can never be truly random and then they have a system that "mess with it" using truly random elements of nature to "move it around".

[raverbabe]

My boyfriend is a computer programmer and as an avid gambler himself he has written various slot simulators and so forth to try and gauge if on-line games are truly fair, and in his opinion, they absolutely are... he creates tests blocks of millions of spins then chooses random blocks of 5-10k spins and looks at the results to see if they could potentially match a session he has experienced, with generally good results. If anybody is interested in learning more about this technique or any other aspect of programming gambling games I'm sure he would be willing to contribute here though I know he is a little concerned as we share the same IP. Nevertheless his username is catapultaudio I believe. Tell him Amy sent you and I'm sure he'll be happy to answer any queries you may have

[ValDes]

My boyfriend is a computer programmer and as an avid gambler himself he has written various slot simulators and so forth to try and gauge if on-line games are truly fair, and in his opinion, they absolutely are... he creates tests blocks of millions of spins then chooses random blocks of 5-10k spins and looks at the results to see if they could potentially match a session he has experienced, with generally good results. If anybody is interested in learning more about this technique or any other aspect of programming gambling games I'm sure he would be willing to contribute here though I know he is a little concerned as we share the same IP. Nevertheless his username is catapultaudio I believe. Tell him Amy sent you and I'm sure he'll be happy to answer any queries you may have

 

We would most welcome any input and feedback here coming from a well experienced gambler who' s capable to conduct such serious tests on top of all. Catapultaudio is known and respected member of the AskGamblers forum, however I'm not sure he's one of the most active in here. So, both of you, feel free to share here anything you would like to.  

[zerooo]

i think this is the right topic to post some more words from me about slots.. i have been thinking, i saw some videos of playing games. some guy pressed spin button and a few seconds later he stopped the reels. he said that results will be the same.. before i saw this kind of videos i didn't think a lot and i thought that will be different results. now when i ended up thinking i think the results will be the same right? Because when you click spin button you already have winning/non-winning combination, no matter if you stopped the reels the results will be the same?

[ValDes]

i think this is the right topic to post some more words from me about slots.. i have been thinking, i saw some videos of playing games. some guy pressed spin button and a few seconds later he stopped the reels. he said that results will be the same.. before i saw this kind of videos i didn't think a lot and i thought that will be different results. now when i ended up thinking i think the results will be the same right? Because when you click spin button you already have winning/non-winning combination, no matter if you stopped the reels the results will be the same?

 

Yep!

 

This is exactly what I keep explaining for years, but some players refuse to accept.

[cocopop3011]

Yep!

 

This is exactly what I keep explaining for years, but some players refuse to accept.

 

Hehe! I don't think it's players refuse to accept, it's just some players like to have their own philosophy of how slots work. And if they think the stop button works for them then its what works for them.

 

I used to be one of these players,   however I of course know now how they work. But my beliefs at the time is what made gambling so exciting. So I just think its each to your own.

 

It doesn't really matter whether or not the stop button will change the outcome of the spin it's what works for each individual player. And I don;t want to take anyones belief. If that makes sense??

[ValDes]

Hehe! I don't think it's players refuse to accept, it's just some players like to have their own philosophy of how slots work. And if they think the stop button works for them then its what works for them.

 

I used to be one of these players,   however I of course know now how they work. But my beliefs at the time is what made gambling so exciting. So I just think its each to your own.

 

It doesn't really matter whether or not the stop button will change the outcome of the spin it's what works for each individual player. And I don;t want to take anyones belief. If that makes sense??

 

I'll put that post into a frame on my wall, hope you don't mind!

[cocopop3011]

I'll put that post into a frame on my wall, hope you don't mind!

 

Hehe! Sure! 

[luckyloser]

Been playing but not posting here in a while.

 

Im starting to have some serious doubts as i have now lost over 100 deposits in a row and had only one cashout!!! I mean come on... How is this possible? Someone should hire a lawyer and sue net ent as im sure its some kind of funky buisness going on.

 

The results i have been having playing net ent games the past months are incredible. I have had mostley 50-60% RTP on every deposit across all casinos... Havent had a wildline on doa since my last screenshot i posted here. I hardly get a bonus round anymore. Its gotten so bad now that i cannot belive its only bad luck. Im seriously beliving they have some kind of controll over my winning chances.

 

It doessent matter what game i play. I can deposit 200 betting at 0.50-1 euro pr spin and go bust n 10 mintues.. Its been like this maybe my last 40 deposits!!!! Its like i want to cry its so bad lol.. I tried quitting but its impossible as these losses just pisses me of.. Gotten to the point where i almost smashed my macbook to pieces. 

 

Even with the worst luck in the world how can someone lose and lose and lose forever. 

 

Royal panda casino i had 30 deposits and now win. Euroslotts 25 or so deposits no win. and so on.... 

[Adebisi213]

If it's no longer fun I would just take a temporarily break. Been having the same sort of with TwinSpin not awarding a full screen in over 15,000 spins. Got to the point that I would no longer deposit to play NetEnt games. It's simply not fun when you don't have a chance, gambling is supposed to be entertaining after all.

[ValDes]

Been playing but not posting here in a while.

 

Im starting to have some serious doubts as i have now lost over 100 deposits in a row and had only one cashout!!! I mean come on... How is this possible? Someone should hire a lawyer and sue net ent as im sure its some kind of funky buisness going on.

 

The results i have been having playing net ent games the past months are incredible. I have had mostley 50-60% RTP on every deposit across all casinos... Havent had a wildline on doa since my last screenshot i posted here. I hardly get a bonus round anymore. Its gotten so bad now that i cannot belive its only bad luck. Im seriously beliving they have some kind of controll over my winning chances.

 

It doessent matter what game i play. I can deposit 200 betting at 0.50-1 euro pr spin and go bust n 10 mintues.. Its been like this maybe my last 40 deposits!!!! Its like i want to cry its so bad lol.. I tried quitting but its impossible as these losses just pisses me of.. Gotten to the point where i almost smashed my macbook to pieces. 

 

Even with the worst luck in the world how can someone lose and lose and lose forever. 

 

Royal panda casino i had 30 deposits and now win. Euroslotts 25 or so deposits no win. and so on.... 

 

Since you are not new to AskGamblers, I will afford to give you a straightforward advice and it is up to you to take it or not... 

 

The problem is not with NetEnt or any other gambling software provider, the problem is with you and your brain. QUIT playing immediately! Could be for just a couple of days or a week, but you must QUIT playing immediately and give your brain and common sense some time to realize what you have done so far, what would you do from now on and how would you cope with the situation in general. This is not a joke, you must keep in mind that things could easily go from bad to ***** and from *****... any return would be almost impossible! 

 

Feel free to PM me in case you need someone to talk with or just keep posting in the topic below if that will sharing will make you feel better.  

 

SOS, I am addicted to gambling - what to do?

[cocopop3011]

Been playing but not posting here in a while.

 

Im starting to have some serious doubts as i have now lost over 100 deposits in a row and had only one cashout!!! I mean come on... How is this possible? Someone should hire a lawyer and sue net ent as im sure its some kind of funky buisness going on.

 

The results i have been having playing net ent games the past months are incredible. I have had mostley 50-60% RTP on every deposit across all casinos... Havent had a wildline on doa since my last screenshot i posted here. I hardly get a bonus round anymore. Its gotten so bad now that i cannot belive its only bad luck. Im seriously beliving they have some kind of controll over my winning chances.

 

It doessent matter what game i play. I can deposit 200 betting at 0.50-1 euro pr spin and go bust n 10 mintues.. Its been like this maybe my last 40 deposits!!!! Its like i want to cry its so bad lol.. I tried quitting but its impossible as these losses just pisses me of.. Gotten to the point where i almost smashed my macbook to pieces. 

 

Even with the worst luck in the world how can someone lose and lose and lose forever. 

 

Royal panda casino i had 30 deposits and now win. Euroslotts 25 or so deposits no win. and so on.... 

 

 

Since you are not new to AskGamblers, I will afford to give you a straightforward advice and it is up to you to take it or not... 

 

The problem is not with NetEnt or any other gambling software provider, the problem is with you and your brain. QUIT playing immediately! Could be for just a couple of days or a week, but you must QUIT playing immediately and give your brain and common sense some time to realize what you have done so far, what would you do from now on and how would you cope with the situation in general. This is not a joke, you must keep in mind that things could easily go from bad to ***** and from *****... any return would be almost impossible! 

 

Feel free to PM me in case you need someone to talk with or just keep posting in the topic below if that will sharing will make you feel better.  

 

SOS, I am addicted to gambling - what to do?

 

I'd also like to add that I've NEVER had a wildline and I play it as much as anyone else here. I've never had a wildline, it's just the luck of the draw, nothing to do with NetEnt changing the way the game runs.

 

Sorry to hear you've been losing, I believe you have been given the best advice already so there's no need for me to pass any further comments. However if you need to chat you know where I am!