winning and losing question

[akkay]

Greetings to all!

First i want to ask a question about winning money with bonus.
Example:I deposit 100e on casino with 150% bonus and get 250e to play with.
The thing I want to know is if the winning increases my real money or my bonus money.

Second. Is there fraud involved with the games especialy with the roulette. I don`t want to accuse anyone, but does any of you experienced gamblers noticed that while playing the roulette with a specific pattern and continue winning without loosing for around 1 hour. The sequence of the numbers and colours changes to a pattern opposite of the pattern that you are playing with. And so resulting with you loosing your money. I am asking this becouse I was playing like this at playmilion casino. When I was using my winning patern in practice mode, I kept winning 8 hours straight if not more without loosing. So I got confident and tried to play with real money and the thing I mentioned above happend.

Thanks for the answers and sorry for any mispelling.

Happy christmas to everyone

[ValDes]

Hi akkay amd welcome to the AskGamblers forum!

 

Greetings to all!

First i want to ask a question about winning money with bonus.

Example:I deposit 100e on casino with 150% bonus and get 250e to play with.

The thing I want to know is if the winning increases my real money or my bonus money.

The correct answer of this question depends on sooooooo many conditions! Each bonus has its own terms and conditions, attached to it, and if you brake even one of them then I'm afraid, you will lose not only the bonus amount, but all winnings, generated while playing with the bonus money. Generally speaking, until you have remaining wagering requirements to clear, in most of the cases you won't have actually real money in your balance, because you are not allowed to withdraw with an active bonus in your account! I strongly advise you to read some of the guides in my signature - they will help you a lot to understand the rules of online casinos and how to cope with different situations and issues!

 

Second. Is there fraud involved with the games especialy with the roulette. I don`t want to accuse anyone, but does any of you experienced gamblers noticed that while playing the roulette with a specific pattern and continue winning without loosing for around 1 hour. The sequence of the numbers and colours changes to a pattern opposite of the pattern that you are playing with. And so resulting with you loosing your money. I am asking this becouse I was playing like this at playmilion casino. When I was using my winning patern in practice mode, I kept winning 8 hours straight if not more without loosing. So I got confident and tried to play with real money and the thing I mentioned above happend.

 

Most of the casinos has taken precautions in case some kind of known or unusual winning pattern is used by a player! And if that's the case what you are going to get (in most of the cases) would be a permanent ban from the casino, your winnings and bonuses void and your deposit refunded! You can't outsmart (or cheat) the casino software, nor the casino management, so no need to try at all. Generally, in 99,99% of the cases, if you have used some kind of a pattern in your roulette gameplay you will be punished. By the way, that's clearly stated in the casino terms and conditions!

 

Sorry, for being kind of harsh with you, but don't want to lie to you. Just drop me a line if you need further assistance!

[akkay]

Thanks for the answers ! I've read your posts about bonus so the last time I didn't apply one thanks!

And don't worry about being straight forward. The truth is the only thing that matters

Most of the casinos has taken precautions in case some kind of known or unusual winning pattern is used by a player!

Is this connected with 'monitoring' written in the terms and conditions? I had a feeling it happend two times. Every time I get a profit around 120€ the troubles starts. If it could help if I limit my playing time or my winnings to a specific amount and then quit for a while or a few hours.

And yes, I've read about the pattern in the terms of conditions.... But English is not my native language so with come words I don't know exactly what do they mean. This are the terms and conditions:

• Placing single or multiple bets equal to or greater than 10% of the value of the bonus credited to the player account on a single game or hand, increasing the balance then changing the gaming pattern significantly (bet, game type, bet structure, etc) in order to complete the wagering requirements for that bonus.
  
• Placing even money bets on Baccarat and Roulette.
  
• Making large bets leading to a substantial gain followed by a drop in bet size equal to or greater than 75% of the previous average bet size in order to complete the wagering requirements for that bonus.
  
• We have good reason to suspect that you have tried only to exploit a bonus offered by us in good faith to enhance your entertainment (for example, on acceptance of a bonus, the wagering requirements are completed and funds are subsequently withdrawn).
  

Before any withdrawals are processed, your play will be reviewed for any irregular playing patterns e.g. play patterns such as the playing for deliberate minimum risk, playing of equal, zero margin bets or hedge betting, placing single bets using your entire or the majority of your account balance and bonus, all of which shall be considered irregular gaming for bonus play-through requirement purposes.

 

I think that my pattern is not mentioned here, but the question is, what do they mean with 'pattern'? For example if I have one lucky number, or lucky colour, they can easily assume that I use a pattern, because I think they don't specify it right. Because of this general meaning of 'pattern' every game style you use could possibly be asumed as cheating.

And the last questions are If this things only happen in less aknowledged casinos. And if it's better to play online on their site ( so I could delete the cookies afterwards, if they got something to do with my patterns) or playing with a software.

I appreciate your disponibility and thank you again for the answers!

[ValDes]

Hi again akkay!

 

First, want to state that I'm not the biggest roulette player and fan, you know and thus I could not supply you with many particular roulette questions and answers. But I'm quite familiar with the online casinos operational models and behaviour, so probably reading my guides would help you a lot!

Anyway, a typical example of a roulette "pattern" would be the famous Martingale betting system for example. Most of the online casinos would consider its usage as an irregular playing pattern and would punish you accordingly! The only way to avoid future troubles is to read very carefully the whole terms and conditions and get in touch with the casino support team, asking and discussing even the slightest of these terms, you think is not clear enough for you! You must be absolutely clear with the terms before taking any bonuses and playing at any of the casino games! Do have in mind, that the casino support is obliged to give you correct and unambiguous answers to any of your questions!

So, as you can probably see, the biggest part of the job is yours. Read carefully, learn and ask anytime for anything - that's the reason casino support exists for!

[klarissa]

the bonus thing depends on the casino and how the bonus works. i have not noticed a difference between online roulette and land roulette though!! they both hate me the same haha.