What is RTP? Does RTP Affect Slots and Winnings? Read All About It Here!

[IOI]

Myth: RTP or return to player is the only determing factor on how much money can be won on slots, all casinos have the same winning chance assuming rtp is the same.

Truth: RTP does not matter at all and there is a noticeable difference in non popular online casinos versus very popular online casinos.

Slotmachines use «amount of money earned» as its main algorithm.

[ValDes]

Hey there, 

Care to elaborate further and explain in greater details what exactly these tables are supposed to mean, what is the statistical pool of data these tables are based on, etc, etc? 

Thanks. 

[Afi4wins]

Don't know from where the OP could have gotten those 2 comparison tables...most probably from own collected statistics, over a certain number of spins done, and maybe on preselected casino/s or game/s...because such comparison tables cannot come from any software provider or casino operator.

Truth: RTP does not matter at all and there is a noticeable difference in non popular online casinos versus very popular online casinos. 

RTP does not matter at all? A totally rubbish statement! Without RTP and RNG, nothing would work properly! Also, noticeable differences in game play can be seen anywhere, regardless of whether that software or casino is less popular or more popular, not including rogue casinos or pirated softwares of course!

Slotmachines use «amount of money earned» as its main algorithm.

Slot machines use 'amount of money earned' as its main algorithm? Again, rubbish and illogical! It would break every rule in getting a valid gaming license! No 'Fair Play' at all too.

[pinnit2015]

Eh?

The myth is wrong - don't think anyone in the know thinks RTP determines max wins; it affects playtime: less spins over time for money; less chance to hit the big X win, but that X win has never been commensurate with the RTP of the game.  A game could have a 10% RTP and still see a max 5000x winner.

The RTI Technical Standards lay out how a game should work. if you have any doubts as to that then i suggest you whistleblow to the Regulator - to date, there have been no such reports funnily enough, to my knowledge. 

Bespoke games/fake games by many Curacao joints? Well, who knows what goes on there. Anything, presumably. 

[pinnit2015]

Also, if it doesn't matter why do software providers offer varying RTP's and why are many casino's lowering theirs?

All casino's have the same winning chance? Don't know what that means but their slot revenue is tied to the RTP - clues in the title; what's returned to the player, means what's left over for the casino. 

[pinnit2015]

Some providers , like PNG and some others will tell you (well, if you obtain the game sheets)the chances are for x hits and none of theirs remotely resembles, certainly the far left, table. 

[IOI]

There is a lot to reply to here.
I’ll just make a quick post to explain.

The image is theoretical.

Rtp does not matter no.
Rtp might be the same on billions of spins but,
The slotmachine uses rtp+money earned to determine payout.
So it works like a wave that moves upwards where the winning chance on «big X» gradually increase on bigger bets.
«This is only noticeble on bigger bets»

As an experiment:
Try a local small country online casino and do a 1000 spins on maxbet and then compare it very popular internatonal one with the same rtp and same machine.
100% of the time the bigger wins will always be on the popular one.

if i have the cash in the future i will make an youtube video to show it off.

[Afi4wins]

1 hour ago, IOI said:

There is a lot to reply to here.
I’ll just make a quick post to explain.

The image is theoretical.

Rtp does not matter no.
Rtp might be the same on billions of spins but,
The slotmachine uses rtp+money earned to determine payout.
So it works like a wave that moves upwards where the winning chance on «big X» gradually increase on bigger bets.
«This is only noticeble on bigger bets»

As an experiment:
Try a local small country online casino and do a 1000 spins on maxbet and then compare it very popular internatonal one with the same rtp and same machine.
100% of the time the bigger wins will always be on the popular one.

if i have the cash in the future i will make an youtube video to show it off.

As I have mentioned in some of my previous posts here in the forum, I have said that playing in the fun mode with max bets would always produced much better results than playing with minimum bets, but that's because playing in the fun mode does not tie in with the actual active RTP, so the results would always be on the better side.

I wouldn't know how the results would be with real money play, as I too don't have the huge funds needed to experiment with this assumption.  I can only speculate.

However, in doing such trials, certain aspects must be kept in the constant, like in a controlled lab experiment, otherwise, the results would not be conclusive, with too many possible variants (being not constant). I have done such experiments many years ago, proving that playing in the fun mode was not the same as playing the real money mode, but even those results could be debatable, which I guess only I would know the whys and wheres.

Nonetheless, I was merely saying that the 'truth' statements in your post above aren't the whole truth at all...and that he RTP does matter in every case...it is part and parcel of the game being successful or a failure!

[Afi4wins]

What I have been hinting all this time is that the payouts from games are now being controlled/regulated/manipulated (whichever is the case) by newer programs such as Artificial Intelligence. This blardy self-learning intelligence gets better with time and is changing how payouts are being dished out by the games...huge wins are being broken up into several smaller wins, so the final RTP is not changed at all.

Note that certain huge wins cannot be broken up into smaller wins, like getting 5 Scatters or many Wilds in the free spins with a multiplier for example, so these wins would eventually occur when the time has come.

[IOI]

3 minutes ago, Afi4wins said:

What I have been hinting all this time is that the payouts from games are now being controlled/regulated/manipulated (whichever is the case) by newer programs such as Artificial Intelligence. This blardy self-learning intelligence gets better with time and is changing how payouts are being dished out by the games...huge wins are being broken up into several smaller wins, so the final RTP is not changed at all.

Note that certain huge wins cannot be broken up into smaller wins, like getting 5 Scatters or many Wilds in the free spins with a Multiplier for example, so these wins would eventually occur when the time has come.

Well slot providers dont actually show the coding to the public.

What is 100% certaint is that you will not have the same result if a 0.1 bet is changed to a 100 bet.

So changing the bet changes the algorithm.

[Afi4wins]

1 hour ago, IOI said:

Well slot providers dont actually show the coding to the public.

What is 100% certaint is that you will not have the same result if a 0.1 bet is changed to a 100 bet.

So changing the bet changes the algorithm.

Agree...changing the bet size may change the result...and may also change the algorithm (either predesigned in the original program package, or overidden by an intelligent program during its operations)...but this doesn't show anything to your RTP+money earned theory...it could be betsize+algorithm instead. Know what I mean?

[IOI]

6 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

Agree...changing the bet size may change the result...and may also change the algorithm (either predesigned in the original program package, or overidden by an intelligent program during its operations)...but this doesn't show anything to your RTP+money earned theory...it could be betsize+algorithm instead. Know what I mean?

Yeah... but i also think there is a difference on some sites.

From experince i have noticed the local site to my country have never payed more than 3k while popular worldwide based casino payed me 14k once, despite the fact i play more on the local site on the same slot.

[Efti]

I opened this thread hoping to see some proper definition, data, methodology etc. on the topic of RTP, which is one I have a basic grasp of but am keen to understand more fully. However, it seems the OP is more interested in pushing a conspiracy theory based solely on patchy anecdotal evidence. And that's fine - we all have our own personal pet peeves or suspicions about gambling, especially online... I just hoped this would be a different kind of discussion based on the title.

[Afi4wins]

1 hour ago, Efti said:

I opened this thread hoping to see some proper definition, data, methodology etc. on the topic of RTP, which is one I have a basic grasp of but am keen to understand more fully. However, it seems the OP is more interested in pushing a conspiracy theory based solely on patchy anecdotal evidence. And that's fine - we all have our own personal pet peeves or suspicions about gambling, especially online... I just hoped this would be a different kind of discussion based on the title.

Well, you can always start your own topic and talk about RTP or TRTP or whatever.