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Oh yes, one more question before I move on to the new thread. We all know the RNG is the critter that allows the slot to take in $$ and payout $$, anybody ever hear of the "R.N.G. LOCK" ?

Hey ValDes, I got the answer now. I have it figured out!!! I'm going to start a new thread about it soon. Stay tuned.

Hi ValDes. Thanks for the link to your guide, it's a great primer for online gamblers. I would say it's essential reading regarding casino integrity. You said in your guide: “in this business reputation is everything and this led to exclusion from the market of many companies, in whose impartiality exist even small doubts!” Now onto my loser's whine. Oh sure, after first opening a new account and after deposit I would always win a little over my original first deposit. Then afterward and with any further deposits I could never win over that deposit and I would always quickly go broke. I was googling around the web about RNG's and happen to come across many, many slot and ex-slot player's stories and complaints about online slot play and payback. Their stories all sound much like mine that I know that I'm not the only a continuous looser that has suspicions about the control of when'how the RNG paysback. I don't know if I'm allowed to paste on here a few quotes from one of those other losers. If not, I'll remove it. But dang, this story in many ways sounds so much like mine. I've got about five hundred credits worth left in me e-wallet and I think I'm going to go online shopping with that. A safer bet! Now for excerpts from another loser's story: P.S. I just read another loser's story in your thread here: http://www.askgamblers.com/forum/topic/2047-fair-and-random-play-warning/ Jack wrote on 10/21/2012 " To people commenting that its not rigged you have got to be kidding me. ... All I know is from my experience something is not right. ... All I can see ia tiny wins that try to fulfill your RTP so the casino can drain your money whilst saying that your RTP is in line with the expected payouts. So in essence it like being stuck at the same balance then eventually you'll get a a stream of dry spins that suck up your balance faster than you can say WTF. Additionally free spins are so hard to obtain. I've spun over 500 spins on some slots without ever getting a free spin round. In that period the standard game never paid anything over 20x bet. So yep, that's $100 gone at minimum bet with absolute peanut's chance of winning. Repeat this same ***** for 40 deposits and then its plain highway robbery. I don't how can anyone say you've just had a bad luck. Come on I aint asking for a million dollar jackpot let alone $10000 big win. Not even a few hundred. Just want a decent win once in a while that validates that old phrase "you win some you lose some", however I'm guaranteeing theres only a tiny fraction of winners which the casino will promote in order to portray an winning image of their casino and software. But what people dont realise is that these same people probably lost 10x the amount that they won, not counting all the other losers who don't win a bloody dime. Just check out the profits of these casinos. Yes we know casinos ain't built on winners, however if these machines or software are truly random why cannot I experience a period of winning or even one simple win. I'm sure its just variance at play, however I'm just stuck on the bad side. How typical. And for all the casino shills here something for you, is variance playing at 10 different casinos with 10 deposits on 10 different games and not being able to win anything more than a 15x bet over 300 spins? If that's variance then these slots and casinos can piss right off. I've had enough of losing, I suggest anyone who doesn't want to feel the frustration and absolute mental devastation to never play at this all other online casinos, especially Microgaming based casinos until they have been officially regulated in your country, because until you'd only be left with an empty bank account and knee deep in debt. "

Hello Luciana, nice name. Thanks for the offer, and I do believe I will take you up on that offer.

P.S. Just want you to know I think I may be going to get my first win at a free slot tournament. I'm in the running for chance at the free entry into the midweek moola. Yeehaa...

Hi ValDes, I hear what you are saying, and I'm not intending to quit my day job just yet and try making a living gambling at gambling. But it sure would be nice to get some play time like in the land casinos I go to. Wow, NICE win you had. Maybe sometime in my future, near soon I hope! I wonder if my location has some effect on my chances/odds? When I log into a casino site the address bar has my country code in the address. Maybe the great slot monster for my location hasn't built up enough of a pot because the players are so few from where I live? I know when I play at some online casinos I am restricted from playing certain slot games because of where I live. Different casino slot odds and different slot $$$ monster?

Hi ValDes, Ahhh, speculation you say. So there's the rub. Can you think of any other game where you're not allowed to know the details of how you can win or lose? At least in a card game a person knows what's in the deck, unless of coarse it's not a full deck cards. Can you imagine someone saying come play my game, but I'm not going to tell you how it works, just put your money down and take a chance. Even in the old shell game you know there's a peanut under one of the three shells, at least in the honest shells game anyhow.

They're (RNG'S) supposedly control the Bread and Butter of Casinos and the rate they are set to payback/payout to customers can make or break a casino. It's supposedly the gadget that decides if you win or lose at the slots. I've seen the old mantra that all spins have an equal chance of winning. It do not matter if you just won a jackpot on your last spin, you supposedly could hit another one on your next spin. So I have a few questions as I'm sure multitudes of other slot players have. 1. Is there more than one random number generator (RNG) for each slot game (I have heard there can be up to three RNG per slot game, and the games switch on/off between the RNG's. 2. Is there one that's a take up mode RNG, another that is payback/payout and another with middle of the road wins, AND, can the switching be controlled/manipulated? I have a another question too. Why is it that every casino I have joined at first I win a little, and then later on after a few deposits I cannot win diddly squat? RNG...??? More ???? to follow... cheer, b.b

Hi ValDes, I saw the "Add on" thing in slots tournament. The person had more coins to play than the original buy in or continue amount. I talked to the chat person and they said that some games come with the Add on feature as well as rebuy or continue buys. You say you've won at tournaments. I don't know how you do it but my experience is far different than yours. When I try them I watch the veiw box where you can watch other players betting and their winnings. Everytime I make a bet I'm lucky to get a hit every second to fifth spin and even then it's rarley more than my bet. Oh sure, I've hit the odd bonus game and free spins but again, rarely do they amount to much compared to what I'm seeing when the other players wins are increasing by double and triple for each and every bet they make. At regular slots, even all the deposits I've made, about 25 so far, I don't seem to get much play time at all. I'm a small stakes player, usually one or two coins and full lines). I've played at my fair share of land based casino and as I said, I rarely take anything home and I do get the odd wins above my original stake, but on the online casinos I've yet to even once win anything above my original deposits. I'm sort of at the point now where I'm thinking that these online casinos can make or break you at will, and I'm about ready to call 'er quits at online gambling. Maybe they don't like the small stakes wagering? Thanks for listening to my looooosers rant. Bye, b.b.

Hey thanks ValDes for all your help. Just one more question for now and I'll stop pestering you all. For a bit anyhow. I know what a continue buy is and a rebuy is, but what is an "Add on"?

Hi, I have another question about the tournaments. I was going to upload some screen shots. Under 2mb. Cannot get the files to upload.

So does anybody know of anybody that has ever won a free slot tournament? Or even one of the pay ones? Or is it just for fun?

Hi everbody, Thanks for posting your ideas. I tink I got it figured out why my chances are so slim at the tournaments. It seems that a tornament is not a seperate tournament at each casino, almost all the casinos are linked together and the total amount of players at any given free tournament came be from any number of differnt casinos. Not just the one you are playing at. Weird haye? Is it the the same with all slot games?

Hi there, Thanks for the welcome. I was going to update my results right away last post but am doing it now. Fairly new to online slots. I have played at land casinos and win some and usually lose it all at some point and I get some decent hits now and then.. I'm not a big $$$ spender online and pretty much lose my funds right away when playing online slot games. I found the free slot contests and I have been trying them out too, with pretty much the same results. I'm always the Looooooser ..... Are the slot contests any kind of an indication of what to expect when playing online slots? I mean, yeesh, I'll start out with 10,000 coins and end up with 1500 at best while some are always at 300++ thousands right away. What am I doing wrong, or is it that the games are the big bad R word of any gamblers nightmares, Ri.g.. Cheers!!

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