An event or experience that questions the RANDOM GENERATOR use!

[Johnnygotthebone]

Well we all know ghosts don't exist but we can see them in youtube right??

 

Well we all know Netent is 1000000% random right?

 

Then please explain this to me....

 

 

Koi princess. Over and over and over and over again the exact same thing when it is a losing session.

 

No bonus what so ever until 5 bets left and then it's is so fc$$ng obvious every time.

 

U hit bonus.

It stops on the dice thing bonus.

 

Within 2-3 spins u win 1-5 x bet and then lose entire balance within a minute.

 

SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER when it's not gonna be friendly.

 

This game has received 90% of my PLAY since September. I am

Not crazy!!! This is not normal. There is no way this is random. It's impossible.

 

It is impossible that the same thing, with the exact same amounts happens over and over and over again, I always but two dollars, from a $40 deposit, when I bet between $8and $12, the exact same thing happens over and over and over again when it is not being friendly

[Afi4wins]

First thing first...ghosts don't exists? Nope...you are 100% wrong! They do exists! And they are real, just as poltergeists are real too...but that's all a different story which doesn't fit in here. 

 

NetEnt is 1,000,000% random? You mean the RNG right? NetEnt don't do any random calculations...they only do very specific calculations on their money!    But not to worry, we know what you are referring to...the RNG thing.

 

Well, Johnny, I'm not into Koi Princess game and I haven't played much of it, so I really cannot comment much on it either. But I do know what you mean by getting the same rubbish over and over again in a game. It happens in almost every game, but some are not so obvious as in others. It's all due to the 'cycles', or 'looping', in the programming lines. When there isn't sufficient of 'loops' for the program to keep cycling, then you tend to see the same thing over and over again. This is actually bad game programming! But I guess NetEnt don't expect many players to notice such bad loopings.

 

Yes, RNG works on randomness, 100% true. But it relies on many 'other programs' and 'selections' to tell it what to do!!! It doesn't have artificial intelligence. It is actually dumb...but very smart at the same time! Hahaha. 

[Johnnygotthebone]

It is not normal Afi.....

 

Me, like many of you, I've played enough to understand what's going on, it is not normal, but the same thing happens over and over again when the machine is not going to be nice, it's honestly pathetic, I haven't played in two weeks, because I'm enjoying my winnings, but I got some free spins and turned it into $50 at the casino yesterday, I want to play that game, and it did the exact same thing to me like it has been doing since I started playing the game, if it won't be friendly, meaning a bonus in every less than 10 rounds that pays 5 to 20 times my bet and basically just keeping me playing for a long time, I soon as I get down to $10, I will hit the bonus feature, and within five seconds when 2 to 5 times my bet is the same bloody thing over and over again, this is not random

[hajnrih]

I chase a similar pattern on Dazzle Me about 70% of the time it works, the rest is a quick dive down to 0. In my eyes NetEnt is one big money eating machine despite some big wins I had in the past. Playing less known brands lately and getting much better results. 

[Johnnygotthebone]

I chase a similar pattern on Dazzle Me about 70% of the time it works, the rest is a quick dive down to 0. In my eyes NetEnt is one big money eating machine despite some big wins I had in the past. Playing less known brands lately and getting much better results.

Oh yeah.

[Afi4wins]

Hmmm...okay, but I cannot say anything more though. You know your game better than anyone else.

 

Does this happen at all other casinos too or only at your favourite venues?

Just hoping that you haven't been 'marked' as I was at Playtech. 

[hajnrih]

Afi4wins, on 05 Oct 2016 - 2:33 PM, said:

 

Hmmm...okay, but I cannot say anything more though. You know your game better than anyone else.

 

Does this happen at all other casinos too or only at your favourite venues?

Just hoping that you haven't been 'marked' as I was at Playtech.

No more bonuses from Playtech on Neteller or Skrill so they're out of the picture. For NetEnt it's the same in every casino I played in. Amatic, Play N Go and Bally Wulf/Gamomat provide much better payouts for the money invested than NetEnt.

[phiro]

Well we all know ghosts don't exist but we can see them in youtube right??

 

Well we all know Netent is 1000000% random right?

 

Then please explain this to me....

 

 

Koi princess. Over and over and over and over again the exact same thing when it is a losing session.

 

No bonus what so ever until 5 bets left and then it's is so fc$$ng obvious every time.

 

U hit bonus.

It stops on the dice thing bonus.

 

Within 2-3 spins u win 1-5 x bet and then lose entire balance within a minute.

 

SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER when it's not gonna be friendly.

 

This game has received 90% of my PLAY since September. I am

Not crazy!!! This is not normal. There is no way this is random. It's impossible.

 

It is impossible that the same thing, with the exact same amounts happens over and over and over again, I always but two dollars, from a $40 deposit, when I bet between $8and $12, the exact same thing happens over and over and over again when it is not being friendly

 

Hello Johnny 

I dont knowe , if youn knowe but on this forum you are may Hero , your opinions means for me the most !

Now back to the theme ,you sugsted me what to play what providers etc .. i did so and i won nice amounts but hmm i whatned to be smart agin and did my own thing so i fuc****** screwed a 1400€ on gonzos qest from netent 14 deposites in 45 minits per 100€ on a 5 € bet i dont ewen becomed a free spin and yes it was unbelivable evry spin whit  two scters was the same when landed 3 scaters they was evry time on the same position with the same symbol paterns and not bounded to get the free spins so its not random and i am going somehow get netent slots on my blacklist !!

[raverbabe]

Well we all know ghosts don't exist but we can see them in youtube right??

 

Well we all know Netent is 1000000% random right?

 

Then please explain this to me....

 

 

Koi princess. Over and over and over and over again the exact same thing when it is a losing session.

 

No bonus what so ever until 5 bets left and then it's is so fc$$ng obvious every time.

 

U hit bonus.

It stops on the dice thing bonus.

 

Within 2-3 spins u win 1-5 x bet and then lose entire balance within a minute.

 

SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND OVER when it's not gonna be friendly.

 

This game has received 90% of my PLAY since September. I am

Not crazy!!! This is not normal. There is no way this is random. It's impossible.

 

It is impossible that the same thing, with the exact same amounts happens over and over and over again, I always but two dollars, from a $40 deposit, when I bet between $8and $12, the exact same thing happens over and over and over again when it is not being friendly

 

Hey Johnny, I find it hard to agree that these statements "question the random [number] generator" ... have you actually compiled any data to back this up rather than just your general feelings ? And if not, can you start to create a spreadsheet perhaps of your results in order to substantiate what your saying? I'm sure that you genuinely feel you have spotted some patterns in how the game is behaving but our human minds have a nasty habit of messing with us in situations like this! 

 

If you had a sufficiently large data set that could confirm your thoughts though this would be a fascinating discussion... otherwise it's just another "It's rigged officer!!!!" type rant to me. No disrespect

[Johnnygotthebone]

As far as proving it with a spread sheet... sorry not my style.....

 

My playbis experience which many employers would prefer over a rookie out of college with a 99% average!

 

I am not stupid, I know what I'm talking about, and to answer the question of the other person who asked, it does not only happen on one, it happens on every single one of them.

 

 

I understand that a slot will either paid or not paid from the first quarter can you put inside, but, I have never seen this before and it happens over and over again, the same bonus trigger, and the same damn result every time after a bonus triggers with the same circumstances of losing it down to five bets left

 

 

 

To the person who said I am the hero, I'm flattered, and I feel for you losing 14 €100 deposit, I have been, the best thing to do when this happens, is to just stop and rethink and adjust your brain, don't try to win it back, it's gone

[Johnnygotthebone]

Been thinking. It has to be OVER ALL RANDOM from Netent. It can not be rigged.

 

THE numbers favour them. Even at 5% return it's billions!!

 

But so many events can prove doubt.

 

I looked at my numbers.

 

Over the last 6 months.....playing the same bloody games.

 

How can it be.......

 

Leo Vegas RTP over 100. Well over

Slots million close to 100

Eu casino (more than one)well over 100%

Progress PLAY(more than one)casinos over 100%

CADELL casinos (more than one)well over 100%

 

 

And then.....ROYAL PANDA... certified casino 55% RTP??? It doesn't make sense. This is a certified well respected establishment that has paid me one time, and it was the fastest pay out that I have ever received! I have made over 80 deposits at this place and play the same way I do on the ones listed above, my $40 deposit sometimes disappear within 10 seconds

 

Super Lenny low 80%

 

 

 

I play the same damn games.

 

This is after HUNDREDS of deposit. Not a one time thing.

 

It doesn't make sense.

[phiro]

As far as proving it with a spread sheet... sorry not my style.....

 

My playbis experience which many employers would prefer over a rookie out of college with a 99% average!

 

I am not stupid, I know what I'm talking about, and to answer the question of the other person who asked, it does not only happen on one, it happens on every single one of them.

 

 

I understand that a slot will either paid or not paid from the first quarter can you put inside, but, I have never seen this before and it happens over and over again, the same bonus trigger, and the same damn result every time after a bonus triggers with the same circumstances of losing it down to five bets left

 

 

 

To the person who said I am the hero, I'm flattered, and I feel for you losing 14 €100 deposit, I have been, the best thing to do when this happens, is to just stop and rethink and adjust your brain, don't try to win it back, it's gone

Hey johnny I dot whanted to win it back or chased my loosing i yust was fascinated that the 25€ left hapened the same thing with the scaters this was so f*** abnormal , me and my brother yust looked the screan without a word we was speachles this is not normal  ok you lose but 14 times on the same way with the same finish this is not normal !!!

[Johnnygotthebone]

It is not normal, and questions the use of a random generator, a random generator should not be doing that, nor should it have a pattern

[Afi4wins]

It is not normal, and questions the use of a random generator, a random generator should not be doing that, nor should it have a pattern

 

Johnny, a Random Generator doesn't have any intelligence, it is merely a tool, like a puppet on strings.

What is controlling the puppet to act and behave is the 'hand' that is playing the strings.

Same thing with the RNG...some other programs are telling it what to do, what to choose, where to choose from, etc, etc.

 

So the RNG can never be blamed. It doesn't work by itself. It cannot work by itself. They're like robots.

[Johnnygotthebone]

A robot needs to be told what to do, doesn't it?

[Johnnygotthebone]

Keep in mind, I am up Net, Low five figures this year, this is coming from someone who is using discipline and control to be profitable, by avoiding game played when winning etc.

 

The issue here, something is not normal, it cannot be that the same thing happens over and over again following a certain pattern of losses

[marathon]

I hope you don't really believe that the RNG games use "just" a RNG.  No way.

The games (all providers) use a multi layer approach. First layer is indeed a random number. But then multiple layers come into play: What is balance, over all payouts, playing strategy etc.

Proof? Not without loooong excel files or source code inspection. But:

 

Most players see some bonus rounds when their balance declined dramatically.

I am sure this should trigger your hope that now you finally get a luck streak and you will deposit money to finally catch your losses.

 

Yes, of course big winnings can happens. I see this as part of their marketing strategy (and it pushes their RTP numbers up).

Have fun playiing as long as you see this as fun time etc, but don't expect random fairness, equal winnings etc

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I hope you don't really believe that the RNG games use "just" a RNG.  No way.

The games (all providers) use a multi layer approach. First layer is indeed a random number. But then multiple layers come into play: What is balance, over all payouts, playing strategy etc.

Proof? Not without loooong excel files or source code inspection. But:

 

Most players see some bonus rounds when their balance declined dramatically.

I am sure this should trigger your hope that now you finally get a luck streak and you will deposit money to finally catch your losses.

 

Yes, of course big winnings can happens. I see this as part of their marketing strategy (and it pushes their RTP numbers up).

Have fun playiing as long as you see this as fun time etc, but don't expect random fairness, equal winnings etc

 

Feels to me sometimes like the infamous Adam Smiths' "Invisible Hand" that controls everything. 

It's so weird, sometimes I get the feeling that the casino "owes" me a nice win and makes sure I get it - and other times that i need to lose a lot and wont give me any bonuses for thousands of plays.  

Whatever - keep the playing under control and keep to the stop losses and this thing can pay for itself - sometimes ;-)  

[raverbabe]

Been thinking. It has to be OVER ALL RANDOM from Netent. It can not be rigged.

 

THE numbers favour them. Even at 5% return it's billions!!

 

But so many events can prove doubt.

 

I looked at my numbers.

 

Over the last 6 months.....playing the same bloody games.

 

How can it be.......

 

Leo Vegas RTP over 100. Well over

Slots million close to 100

Eu casino (more than one)well over 100%

Progress PLAY(more than one)casinos over 100%

CADELL casinos (more than one)well over 100%

 

 

And then.....ROYAL PANDA... certified casino 55% RTP??? It doesn't make sense. This is a certified well respected establishment that has paid me one time, and it was the fastest pay out that I have ever received! I have made over 80 deposits at this place and play the same way I do on the ones listed above, my $40 deposit sometimes disappear within 10 seconds

 

Super Lenny low 80%

 

 

 

I play the same damn games.

 

This is after HUNDREDS of deposit. Not a one time thing.

 

It doesn't make sense.

 

Why not? You think you should be over 100% everywhere? Doesn't matter if a place is certified or not, that has nothing to do with how lucky you will be there! I really don't follow what it is you think doesn't make sense?

[Johnnygotthebone]

Why not? You think you should be over 100% everywhere? Doesn't matter if a place is certified or not, that has nothing to do with how lucky you will be there! I really don't follow what it is you think doesn't make sense?

 

makes sense to me 

[Johnnygotthebone]

i can provide these screen shots from my last three days. this is what its supposed to look like. 

 

5 different casinos. 

 

total deposits (81 in all) totaling 4400

 

19 withdrawals from 300-1400€ from all five casinos. 

 

total cash out is exactly 8211€

 

three days gaming. 

 

all five casinos eventually paid. 

 

royal panda neve does!! ever. 

 

same games played these last three days. all five casinos no royal panda. i replaced them. this place paid exaly like the others less actually to be honest. 

 

point is this. 

 

i play the same games on every casino

 

i make the same deposits

 

after thousands and thousands of deposits and spins, it should balance. royal panda does not!!!

 

here is my deposits and withdrawals from one of . 

 

i would post all five casinos but A-too lazy, B-no need, point made and C-it shows too much personal info

 

 

all five casinos have similar deposits and withdrawals. 

 

every time i play, all but royal panda pay me. 

 

this is not normal. 

 

thank you

 

 

[Johnnygotthebone]

for the record and to be fair to royal panda..... i played there and made over 100 deposits since august. i made one 300$ withdrawal. same games like the five i play wvery week and DO NOT HAVE A LOSING WEEK IN A VERY LONG TIME!

[raverbabe]

It sounds like on-line gambling is something of a career for you Johnny... what's the secret??? I'm up at some casino's and am up overall by a couple of thousand since the start of this year, but there are certainly plenty of casino's where I'm heavily in the red, perhaps I should ditch them and only play my "lucky" casino's, see if that improves the situation??

[Afi4wins]

It sounds like on-line gambling is something of a career for you Johnny... what's the secret??? I'm up at some casino's and am up overall by a couple of thousand since the start of this year, but there are certainly plenty of casino's where I'm heavily in the red, perhaps I should ditch them and only play my "lucky" casino's, see if that improves the situation??

 

Our friend Johnny was born with a bone in one hand and a slot machine in the other hand!

So nothing can stop his winnings ways! 

[Johnnygotthebone]

 I understand losing, even 5-6 days in a row on a certain casino, but after 100 deposits, it is supposed to balance, it just doesn't make any damn sense to make 100 deposit into a casino and make only one withdrawal. there is something definitely wrong when this happens.

 

 

once again, first thing in the morning, I opened up one of the five casinos that we're good to me this weekend and have been good to me I'll hear, within minutes, I made 10 times my deposit and withdrawal. even if I would have lost, eventually, it would balance, because that is the way it's supposed to be