AVOID ONLINE GAMING...

[Johnnygotthebone]

Ty Val. Many people including myself have some issues with gambling. Accepting the fact that any form of gambling is addictive and destructive if not aged in moderation is very difficult. I, myself have been up and down for a long time. But there has always been a part of me that knows that I have to make the changes.

 

Self exclusion works. Trust me on this. For some reason if you self exclude yourself from your local casino, you just don't think about that casino anymore. It is all in the head. Management of your brain can actually make gambling a fun experience.

 

I personally got carried away last month. Big wins and losses. 16 hours a day my iphone was running on slots. I bought external batter cases. I played while driving. I let the games run while I was sleeping auto play. Just too much.

 

I am old and experienced enough to know that it had gotten ridiculous. I have taken the necessary steps to change this. I not put did self exclusions and low deposit limits, I told the wife. That's enough to make my plan work.

 

My only Advice I can give to rookie addictive gamers is this. There is so much less stress when you actually play for fun. Seeing images of slots when you sleep is the first sign that you have a problem. As hard as it may be, I suggest that you use the exclusion tools offered and use the deposit limits as well. It will work.

 

 

Enjoy your day

[ValDes]

Thanks for sharing with us, mate. It actually requires a lot of strength and courage to admit when having such a problem. And you are totally right, the truth is always the best solution and starting point .

 

By the way, I have already suggested you our help in this post - http://www.askgamblers.com/forum/topic/1985-show-time-lets-see-your-winner-screenshots/?p=27802 

[cocopop3011]

Ooooh..I realise why I was getting confused now! I thought Jognny was the guy who originally created this thread but he isn't - so now this thread makes sense!

[Johnnygotthebone]

Jim. I read your post over and over and conclude something. You nailed it Sir.

 

I wish you would PM me your numbers. Just to laugh.

 

I had mine analyzed from a professor who is probably the smartest mathematician on the planet. He concluded that an attached bonus payout rate is far superior.

 

Send me your stats and I will ask him to look at them.

 

I now just play on 6 casinos but have taken a break until September. I made a killing at GO Wild casino. Gonna enjoy that for now.

 

The places i hand picked to play on have been screened properly. No monkey business on all 6. I am happy win or lose.

 

 

Pm me your numbers.

 

Later

[Johnnygotthebone]

I found this online. Very interesting. What do u think about it Sir?


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Edited July 21, 2014 by ValDes
Please, stick to our Forum Rules! Last warning!

[catapultaudio]

I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but as a scientist surely you should know that if you want people to take your claims seriously, you need to back it up with evidence, not just hearsay... your story wasn't even all that believable to me so unless you actually published your paper, I can't take you seriously.

[cocopop3011]

I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but as a scientist surely you should know that if you want people to take your claims seriously, you need to back it up with evidence, not just hearsay... your story wasn't even all that believable to me so unless you actually published your paper, I can't take you seriously.

Well said!

[TRM]

Hello Dr Jimmy V. and welcome to the AskGamblers forum.

 

Forgive me for not commenting on your post in details...but it's just not worth the efforts, simple as that! And if you really dare to call your post from above a "research", then I'm seriously concerned about the scientific approach used in your area of science, really. There's at least a dozen of serious contradictions in your statement, which are obvious for an experienced gambler. But even if one can somehow accept and find an answer to all these contradictions, I'm afraid there are bigger and more serious problems ahead. Because I never had the chance to see even a single proof for your words?! Where are the screenshots, the logs from your sessions, the analysis of all data gathered during this so called "research"? Have you ever heard anything about things like RNG, RTP and TRTP? Have you ever heard and dealt with companies like eCOGRA and Gaming Laboratories International (GLI) and how they test and evaluate gambling software BEFORE giving their approval and certificate? ...

 

And just to show you that some of us, ''the greedy and blood sucking affiliates'', are not that bad after all and always opened for a decent and fair discussion, I'll leave this thread opened and will give you the chance to prove me (and all people here as well) wrong.

 

 

don't doubt the man valdes it could even be a woman wheres the proof lol.

 

[quote JimmyValenti72]

there is no way these casinos are random. It is not possible. All 3 were being played at the same time, they all had the exact same pattern. They paid and then it all came down. Very obvious.

 

if the above is true will this not mean when logs from each casino go to be checked it will be easy to tell its not random and simply show manipulations being used?

 

me trying to be all intelligent but one thing I believe for sure thats not random and must be fixed is online roullette but I'm not claiming to have proof simply just looking at live dealers faces sometimes is enough and says it all is that my proof lmfao

[ValDes]

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me trying to be all intelligent but one thing I believe for sure thats not random and must be fixed is online roullette but I'm not claiming to have proof simply just looking at live dealers faces sometimes is enough and says it all is that my proof lmfao

 

Looking at live dealer faces you say... Hmm, yet another legendary post I will reply!

 

There's no way to disagree with you, since dealers faces are telling everything, especially those of the prettiest ones!  

[cheiftech]

I think one thing that people fail to realize is most of these platforms are cyclical. When big hits happen they enter into a cycle...does that mean you cannot win, nope, but the odds of winning have decreased. Random is simply the break in the pattern at that point. As a numbers guy I understand achieving 97% RTP for a platform can be done mathematically numerous ways. I.E. one player hits big...everyone else suffers. I see this commonly on Slots-lv. I cash out there so don't get me wrong...I do well on that site, but in three years never a cash out in the first three weeks of the month. I still play in the first 3 weeks even though the data says I should avoid it completely, but I play lower wage amounts. Average RTP over 3 years the first 3 weeks of the month is 52.5%...yeah that is it. Last week of the month 98.7%.

 

By the way for their Rival and RTG games over three years every time two jackpots have hit within 24 hours, my RTP on those platforms drops to 40%. It is so consistent that I actually log the jackpots at the beginning of my session then before I go and play one of the games I check to make sure no more than one jackpot has been hit. If there has...well I know better than to play.

 

Again not saying this is science, it is my 3 years of data...with my own play. I can say though I cash out more than I lose...most of the RTG casinos have locked my account claiming I am a skilled player...all I have done is tracked my play and simply avoided periods of time and play when certain events have transpired. For example Club World locked my account because I won...yeah casinos love to take our money but they are the sorest losers by a mile. I kept to a simple strategy...no bonus because they stopped letting me use bonuses , never play a game that is under $4k jackpot, and when I raise my waged amount I do it on the games where the jackpots are above $8k as they commonly hit between $8k - $10k on Club World and I am wagering with more to win. Doing that I deposited $8k and withdrew $35k. That was enough to lock my account.

 

The reality though is there are cycles and patterns in some of the games. Yes I said patterns. That does not mean that they are not random...random simply means the pattern was broke. Pay attention to them for example my experience with three games:

 

Lion's Roar - If a free spins happens within the first 10 spins...I leave. Why because in all my sessions only 1 time out of 35 when that happened did I actually post a positive RTP. The other 34 times the feature never fired again and the first feature paid less than 10x the waged amount. Average RTP 60% roughly.

 

Vintage Vegas - Same deal, but even worse 0 out of 40 times the feature hit again and or the initial feature paid more than 10x the waged amount. Average RTP only 30%.

 

Golden Gorilla - This one is less consistent. Three coins with a wild hits, only 5 times out of 42 times after that hit have I posted a positive RTP. Average RTP about 65%.

 

Blazing Buffalo - If bonus hits before the Blazing Buffalo I take the bonus and leave. Why because in only 2 out of 25 events I have posted a positive RTP. Most of the time the money maker (The blazing buffalos) doesn't hit or it hits and pays less than 10x the waged amount.

 

So not saying this works for anyone else, but for me I see the pattern and based on the data my probability of winning is decreased so I leave the game when that pattern hits. I know I could technically still hit something randomly, but we are already playing against significant odds in the casino's favor...so whatever I can do to reduce their odds I simply do.

 

By the way for some of you the data tracking may seem extreme, but for me that is the fun of it. Just like fantasy football where people track every statistic they can. For me, I like tracking data and looking for patterns. It is my analysis and interpretation...it could be completely wrong, but is mine and it makes me feel like I have an edge. So it makes it more entertaining.

 

By the way if you want to try this yourself track the rare items...you can't track every pattern unless you limit yourself to only one game. Free spins in the first 10 spins is rare...so I track that. Certain combinations in specific games that rarely hit, I track the data. For example I see this happen in more than 99% of the times. If I hit Cash Money bonus I look at how much I have spent to reach the bonus...if the bonus pays less than 70% of what I spent to get it...the feature will actually hit again and will typically hit much higher.

 

Again this is my play only so don't take it as tips on how to beat the casino . Your play may be completely different with different waged amounts for example. If you like data though...try it out. You will find it makes it more fun.

[hajnrih]

I think one thing that people fail to realize is most of these platforms are cyclical. When big hits happen they enter into a cycle...does that mean you cannot win, nope, but the odds of winning have decreased. Random is simply the break in the pattern at that point. As a numbers guy I understand achieving 97% RTP for a platform can be done mathematically numerous ways. I.E. one player hits big...everyone else suffers. I see this commonly on Slots-lv. I cash out there so don't get me wrong...I do well on that site, but in three years never a cash out in the first three weeks of the month. I still play in the first 3 weeks even though the data says I should avoid it completely, but I play lower wage amounts. Average RTP over 3 years the first 3 weeks of the month is 52.5%...yeah that is it. Last week of the month 98.7%.

 

By the way for their Rival and RTG games over three years every time two jackpots have hit within 24 hours, my RTP on those platforms drops to 40%. It is so consistent that I actually log the jackpots at the beginning of my session then before I go and play one of the games I check to make sure no more than one jackpot has been hit. If there has...well I know better than to play.

 

Again not saying this is science, it is my 3 years of data...with my own play. I can say though I cash out more than I lose...most of the RTG casinos have locked my account claiming I am a skilled player...all I have done is tracked my play and simply avoided periods of time and play when certain events have transpired. For example Club World locked my account because I won...yeah casinos love to take our money but they are the sorest losers by a mile. I kept to a simple strategy...no bonus because they stopped letting me use bonuses , never play a game that is under $4k jackpot, and when I raise my waged amount I do it on the games where the jackpots are above $8k as they commonly hit between $8k - $10k on Club World and I am wagering with more to win. Doing that I deposited $8k and withdrew $35k. That was enough to lock my account.

 

The reality though is there are cycles and patterns in some of the games. Yes I said patterns. That does not mean that they are not random...random simply means the pattern was broke. Pay attention to them for example my experience with three games:

 

Lion's Roar - If a free spins happens within the first 10 spins...I leave. Why because in all my sessions only 1 time out of 35 when that happened did I actually post a positive RTP. The other 34 times the feature never fired again and the first feature paid less than 10x the waged amount. Average RTP 60% roughly.

 

Vintage Vegas - Same deal, but even worse 0 out of 40 times the feature hit again and or the initial feature paid more than 10x the waged amount. Average RTP only 30%.

 

Golden Gorilla - This one is less consistent. Three coins with a wild hits, only 5 times out of 42 times after that hit have I posted a positive RTP. Average RTP about 65%.

 

Blazing Buffalo - If bonus hits before the Blazing Buffalo I take the bonus and leave. Why because in only 2 out of 25 events I have posted a positive RTP. Most of the time the money maker (The blazing buffalos) doesn't hit or it hits and pays less than 10x the waged amount.

 

So not saying this works for anyone else, but for me I see the pattern and based on the data my probability of winning is decreased so I leave the game when that pattern hits. I know I could technically still hit something randomly, but we are already playing against significant odds in the casino's favor...so whatever I can do to reduce their odds I simply do.

 

By the way for some of you the data tracking may seem extreme, but for me that is the fun of it. Just like fantasy football where people track every statistic they can. For me, I like tracking data and looking for patterns. It is my analysis and interpretation...it could be completely wrong, but is mine and it makes me feel like I have an edge. So it makes it more entertaining.

 

By the way if you want to try this yourself track the rare items...you can't track every pattern unless you limit yourself to only one game. Free spins in the first 10 spins is rare...so I track that. Certain combinations in specific games that rarely hit, I track the data. For example I see this happen in more than 99% of the times. If I hit Cash Money bonus I look at how much I have spent to reach the bonus...if the bonus pays less than 70% of what I spent to get it...the feature will actually hit again and will typically hit much higher.

 

Again this is my play only so don't take it as tips on how to beat the casino . Your play may be completely different with different waged amounts for example. If you like data though...try it out. You will find it makes it more fun.

I do basically the same thing. Play certain games at certain casino in a certain pattern. Even a small increase in chances of winning can mean a lot, especially if you are playing on high bets. Any chance we can start a thread for strategies we use or nobody will want to share?

[ValDes]

I think one thing that people fail to realize is most of these platforms are cyclical. When big hits happen they enter into a cycle...does that mean you cannot win, nope, but the odds of winning have decreased. Random is simply the break in the pattern at that point. As a numbers guy I understand achieving 97% RTP for a platform can be done mathematically numerous ways. I.E. one player hits big...everyone else suffers. I see this commonly on Slots-lv. I cash out there so don't get me wrong...I do well on that site, but in three years never a cash out in the first three weeks of the month. I still play in the first 3 weeks even though the data says I should avoid it completely, but I play lower wage amounts. Average RTP over 3 years the first 3 weeks of the month is 52.5%...yeah that is it. Last week of the month 98.7%.

 

By the way for their Rival and RTG games over three years every time two jackpots have hit within 24 hours, my RTP on those platforms drops to 40%. It is so consistent that I actually log the jackpots at the beginning of my session then before I go and play one of the games I check to make sure no more than one jackpot has been hit. If there has...well I know better than to play.

 

Again not saying this is science, it is my 3 years of data...with my own play. I can say though I cash out more than I lose...most of the RTG casinos have locked my account claiming I am a skilled player...all I have done is tracked my play and simply avoided periods of time and play when certain events have transpired. For example Club World locked my account because I won...yeah casinos love to take our money but they are the sorest losers by a mile. I kept to a simple strategy...no bonus because they stopped letting me use bonuses , never play a game that is under $4k jackpot, and when I raise my waged amount I do it on the games where the jackpots are above $8k as they commonly hit between $8k - $10k on Club World and I am wagering with more to win. Doing that I deposited $8k and withdrew $35k. That was enough to lock my account.

 

The reality though is there are cycles and patterns in some of the games. Yes I said patterns. That does not mean that they are not random...random simply means the pattern was broke. Pay attention to them for example my experience with three games:

 

Lion's Roar - If a free spins happens within the first 10 spins...I leave. Why because in all my sessions only 1 time out of 35 when that happened did I actually post a positive RTP. The other 34 times the feature never fired again and the first feature paid less than 10x the waged amount. Average RTP 60% roughly.

 

Vintage Vegas - Same deal, but even worse 0 out of 40 times the feature hit again and or the initial feature paid more than 10x the waged amount. Average RTP only 30%.

 

Golden Gorilla - This one is less consistent. Three coins with a wild hits, only 5 times out of 42 times after that hit have I posted a positive RTP. Average RTP about 65%.

 

Blazing Buffalo - If bonus hits before the Blazing Buffalo I take the bonus and leave. Why because in only 2 out of 25 events I have posted a positive RTP. Most of the time the money maker (The blazing buffalos) doesn't hit or it hits and pays less than 10x the waged amount.

 

So not saying this works for anyone else, but for me I see the pattern and based on the data my probability of winning is decreased so I leave the game when that pattern hits. I know I could technically still hit something randomly, but we are already playing against significant odds in the casino's favor...so whatever I can do to reduce their odds I simply do.

 

By the way for some of you the data tracking may seem extreme, but for me that is the fun of it. Just like fantasy football where people track every statistic they can. For me, I like tracking data and looking for patterns. It is my analysis and interpretation...it could be completely wrong, but is mine and it makes me feel like I have an edge. So it makes it more entertaining.

 

By the way if you want to try this yourself track the rare items...you can't track every pattern unless you limit yourself to only one game. Free spins in the first 10 spins is rare...so I track that. Certain combinations in specific games that rarely hit, I track the data. For example I see this happen in more than 99% of the times. If I hit Cash Money bonus I look at how much I have spent to reach the bonus...if the bonus pays less than 70% of what I spent to get it...the feature will actually hit again and will typically hit much higher.

 

Again this is my play only so don't take it as tips on how to beat the casino . Your play may be completely different with different waged amounts for example. If you like data though...try it out. You will find it makes it more fun.

 

Must admit you shared some really interesting points mate.

 

As a regular player myself, I have developed and implemented my own ways to read the signs which casino video slots are giving, most of them way different than yours since my preferred games are NetEnt and Microgaming, but the bottom line is that yes, most of us are trying to keep an eye on some predefined game 'patterns' and act accordingly. Glad that you had some pretty decent luck though, 20+ K ahead is quite an achievement.

 

Looking really forward to read more from you across the forum.

[ValDes]

I do basically the same thing. Play certain games at certain casino in a certain pattern. Even a small increase in chances of winning can mean a lot, especially if you are playing on high bets. Any chance we can start a thread for strategies we use or nobody will want to share?

 

We have one already.

 

Share your slot routines

[hajnrih]

We have one already.

 

Share your slot routines

Forgot, old age

[globalgamer]

Best to avoid many things people love to do. Smoking. Drinking. Gambling. etc. 

 

Well for me online gambling so far has been fun and also, amazingly, profitable. I haven't gotten rich or hit it big, but I have come out ahead. In fact my return has been better than the stock market! (up instead of down). 

 

Overall I am up around 33% since starting, over the last 4-5 months of online gaming. 

 

However in land based casinos I am down for the year, quite a bit. However a few days ago I finally hit a progressive of $1200 on a "gold pot" type slot machine with an .88 cent bet, I can never remember what its called, 88 fortunes or something like that. I drove 20 minutes to the Casino and left with a pocket full of hundreds, so perhaps there is some hope in land based after all. But seriously I have experienced much better odds online and less of a "rigging" experience. 

 

I just put 100 Euro in bitstarz casino with no bonus and played Playboy and within 5 minutes won 50 euros on a 1.20 euro bet. So I can cash out now at around 140 euros or keep playing, which I will do. But the 100 euro is all profit from previous wins, so either way, win or loose I am up. 

 

It's always nice to consider all perspectives and I enjoyed reading the study above, but at the same time my experience has not been one of a rigged environment. However it is wise to stick with casinos with solid reviews. 

 

So long story short, in the midst of my late night ramblings, sure its probably healthier not to gamble at all (unless you win, in which case it is VERY HEALTHY), but just like drinking, smoking, and other adult "vices" online gambling is likely to continue for all of time. And I will probably be one to keep on playing until the very end. 

[fb_10155830304200716]

I've read your post with intrigue. I play on unibet/Maria casino (same company) and I think they honestly do care about responsible gambling. They have processes in place. Eg. On Maria casino, I won a few grand off roulette I asked for take a break for 24hrs until my withdrawl was paid out so I couldn't reverse withdraw and lose the whole lot like I have done on many occasions. They went one better and said they would remove the reverse withdraw option for me. so now once I click withdraw , it's as good as in my bank. I play roulette and normally live. I don't think the games are rigged. And that's coming from someone who has lost a lot of money. For me it's about timing. Choosing to log on and play at the correct time. I don't play slots. I

Must confess, I don't understand why players take the bonus offers. If u sit down to gamble, play with what you have knowing that once you reach a certain amount you can up and leave at any time. #just saying. Be lucky

[ValDes]

I've read your post with intrigue. I play on unibet/Maria casino (same company) and I think they honestly do care about responsible gambling. They have processes in place. Eg. On Maria casino, I won a few grand off roulette I asked for take a break for 24hrs until my withdrawl was paid out so I couldn't reverse withdraw and lose the whole lot like I have done on many occasions. They went one better and said they would remove the reverse withdraw option for me. so now once I click withdraw , it's as good as in my bank. I play roulette and normally live. I don't think the games are rigged. And that's coming from someone who has lost a lot of money. For me it's about timing. Choosing to log on and play at the correct time. I don't play slots. I

Must confess, I don't understand why players take the bonus offers. If u sit down to gamble, play with what you have knowing that once you reach a certain amount you can up and leave at any time. #just saying. Be lucky

 

Speaking about reversing withdrawals here's something which could be described as next-generation-service.

 

Kiss Goodbye To Reverse Withdrawals With The New Withdrawal Feature At Rizk

[Johnnygotthebone]

Big providers don't need to rig anything.

 

Netent makes 5% on each spin in the long run.

 

Billion a day wagers equals 50 million bucks. Less fees and casino rake.... Probably making 500 million profit a year

 

No need to rig it Jim.

 

But..... House games are another story.

 

And I think MG only casinos should be checked.

[raverbabe]

I read this topic when I first joined here at Askgamblers and I'm shocked it's still rumbling on. Without any actual data to back up the OPs comments it's nothing more than hearsay surely?

 

Johnny, why do you think MG only casinos should be checked? The casinos and MG themselves make their money just the same way you described with NetEnt?

[Johnnygotthebone]

I already stated my case regarding MG ONLY casinos.

 

I provided facts and justified my experiences.

 

71% RTP AFTER 50k+ deposited without one withdrawal is not normal at one casino.

 

Don't wanna talk about that experience again as it is in the past.

 

People are not stupid. They know. They know what's better for them. MG ONLY is not for me.