How do online slots actually work with individual casinos?

[andy67]

This may be a rookie question, but hopefully someone has an answer ...

Assuming the online casino is legit, what determines the slot payout?  Is it the individual casino or the provider of the game?

Example, I'm on online casino 1, playing slot A ...

I could also be on online casino 2 playing the same slot ...

Is that slot payout/RTP spread across all the different players on various different casinos,  or is the RTP related solely to play on one casino?

Logically, I'm paying £ to the casino I'm on, and they payout if I win, so I thought whether I win or lose depends on the overall players of that game on one casino ... but is that the case (is it linked to the overall payout of that game across multiple casinos that slot can be accessed from?).

Sorry is this a daft question - I'm just trying to work out how things actually work in practice.

 

 

 

 

 

[Afi4wins]

@andy67  Hi there and welcome to the forum.

No one could possibly give you any correct answers to your questions because casino operations are trade secrets.

When you choose a game to play (at any casino), the game would be loaded up from the game provider's server and onto the casino's gaming platform. This gaming platform may vary casino to casino and this is believed to be the cause for slight variations in the gameplay of that chosen game.

For example, if you play Slot A at one casino using Platform X, and at the same time, you play that same Slot A at another casino using Platform Y, and another casino using Platform Z, all three platforms will not give the same gameplay...one might play better, one might play okay, one might play horribly!

So, stick to a casino that tend to give you better gameplay all the time and avoid those that don't. No need to crack your brains in trying to understand the workings of the slot games! 

[pinnit2015]

Yeah, we're told that, for example, number of players etc don't affect a games style/play - odd then that a lot of older games seem to be dead more than they used to. But that could be memory/confirmation bias

It is pseudo/controlled-randomness - like Afi says, how it actually goes is a mystery to most - we can hear the lines trotted out: doesn't matter if someone wins big on one spin and how it doesn't alter the chances of someone else hitting on the next RNG out of the hat but, you know, who knows!

Folk have often wondered: the RTP's must be monitored and corrective actions taken if too much standard deviation from the 96 etc but i believe the answer from people in the industry is no....but hmmm...

Oft wonder why some games run on different platforms - eg Bonanza has about 3 - is it geo reasons? EG MG don't operate in some countries, NYX do, so it's a way of getting round that. 

It's something i think that A. you accept you will probably never really know how it's worked out but just choose to play or B. Think, oft, that is fishy and don't. 

Compensated games, online, which is what you kinda talk about are, seemly, prohibited online (as opposed to some physical AWP's that you'd see at a seaside town/pub, i believe - where, due to bugs many moons ago, you could literally force, in some circumstances, the machine to payout)

[Flatzem]

maths and luck

[cocopop3011]

On 5/19/2023 at 5:56 PM, andy67 said:

This may be a rookie question, but hopefully someone has an answer ...

Assuming the online casino is legit, what determines the slot payout?  Is it the individual casino or the provider of the game?

Example, I'm on online casino 1, playing slot A ...

I could also be on online casino 2 playing the same slot ...

Is that slot payout/RTP spread across all the different players on various different casinos,  or is the RTP related solely to play on One Casino?

Logically, I'm paying £ to the casino I'm on, and they payout if I win, so I thought whether I win or lose depends on the overall players of that Game On one casino ... but is that the case (is it linked to the overall payout of that game across multiple casinos that slot can be accessed from?).

Sorry is this a daft question - I'm just trying to work out how things actually work in practice.

 

 

 

 

 

Hello and welcome back to the forum. It's not a daft question at all. I think you've already been given some good answers. Which can was you thinking of playing at and we can let you know if it is legit.

[andy67]

Thanks everyone - I experimented further (chose casinos from ThePogg) and had two windows side by side in the same game (but on different casinos that had 10/10 ratings - both owned by the same group though).  

On one window the slot was totally dead (but had won in days before).  On the other it was paying out well.

In theory, if the game was loaded up from the game providers server to two casinos within the same group, you'd think it'd be more consistent.   

I guess the only people that really know the secrets of how it all works are either very well paid or bumped off if they leave lol.

 

[Flatzem]

1 hour ago, andy67 said:

Thanks everyone - I experimented further (chose casinos from ThePogg) and had two windows side by side in the same game (but on different casinos that had 10/10 ratings - both owned by the same group though).  

On one window the slot was totally dead (but had won in days before).  On the other it was paying out well.

In theory, if the game was Loaded up from the game providers server to two casinos within the same group, you'd think it'd be more consistent.   

I guess the only people that really know the secrets of how it all works are either very well paid or bumped off if they leave lol.

 

dream would be that secrets get revealed and as a result all those that had losses on slots will get refunds  and those that had wins get to keep them

[andy67]

Update on this - playing the same slot on a few different casinos past couple of days and it slaughtered me across the board!  And I played it a LOT!

Thinking further, we deposit into each casino so there's got to be some sort of 'control' that stops any one game paying too much.  MAYBE that control is with the original slot operator who keeps to the RTP % but will have down periods where, regardless of where that slot is played, it'll hammer people.

 

[Afi4wins]

7 hours ago, andy67 said:

Update on this - playing the same slot on a few different casinos past couple of days and it slaughtered me across the board!  And I played it a LOT!

Thinking further, we deposit into each casino so there's got to be some sort of 'control' that stops any one game paying too much.  MAYBE that control is with the original slot operator who keeps to the RTP % but will have down periods where, regardless of where that slot is played, it'll hammer people.

 

It's a known fact that nowadays, all slots are in their hungry mode...they pay less, they eat more, they don't play as good as before either!

More and more players are now losing interest, whilst the fools with their money keep on playing with their huge bets,hoping to get those huge wins, but getting more losses instead.

Don't believe those winning videos posted by streamers...they are there to pull in the fools with their money! 

[andy67]

Yeah - never believe those streamers.

Got an interesting observation though (found by accident).  Two of the casinos I use are by  the same operator (L&L) and have the same games.

I played a game on one and it wasn't going well.  I had left the bet per spin on £7.50.

Went to the other casino (same operator) and into the game and the starting spin was £7.50.

So that showed me that the same operator runs the same 'game' across their different platforms.   And yes, it was still ***** playing it on the other casino.

Then I went to a different casino (another operator) and played the same game and it played differently.

 

[Hellridah]

On 6/3/2023 at 4:32 AM, andy67 said:

Yeah - never believe those streamers.

Got an interesting observation though (found by accident).  Two of the casinos I use are by  the same operator (L&L) and have the same games.

I played a Game On one and it wasn't going well.  I had left the bet per Spin on £7.50.

Went to the other casino (same operator) and into the game and the starting spin was £7.50.

So that showed me that the same operator runs the same 'game' across their different platforms.   And yes, it was still ***** playing it on the other casino.

Then I went to a different casino (another operator) and played the same game and it played differently.

 

Firstly Welcome the Forum , 

 

If the casino's your playing with have good reputations you can rest assured that the pseudo random number generator calculations are operating as 

they should be rule of thumb is better the reputation better the odds as I've found , read reviews and scrutinize where you want to invest : being a 

trusted and safe environment makes things much more comfortable other than having doubts base your experience purely on your experience streamers 

are common I take what they do with a grain of salt its what happens with your situation that counts everything else is pillow talk excuse the expression . 

 

Askthegamblers has a very accurate determination of what a good casino entails and if stick with what is recommended here your making a good move 

trust me I've been back and forth to AG these many years and picked many a winner Might I suggest two Casino's Bitstarz and Winz.io . 

 

Again a friendly welcome to the forum , 

 

-A

[andy67]

Those recommendations (Bitstarz & Winz.io) - I looked them both up and they get slated on sites like Thepogg?

On my original post, discovered more, which is a bit worrying - I played the same slot (Esqueleto Explosivo 2) at different casinos (and different owners) and each time I went into the game, it brought up my stake amount I had finished on from the previous casino.

To me that smells of the game itself knowing my IP address and is the game operator themselves who are controlling payout rates etc.

Meaning: I play on that game on one casino and win. I go to another casino and the game knows I've won before, so could potentially reduce payout.

The only reason I'm suspicious is because on both Hyper Casino and Casilando (different operators, which Thepogg shows as highly reputed), the stake stays the same as it was when I played the other.

What do people think: 

1. That an individual slot game has an overall RTP across all the casinos it's available on and regarldess of where we play it's going to pay out or not depending on everyone else who has played it across multiple casinos? or ...

2. The payout is independent on each casino it runs on?

3. Something else?

To put that another way, if I bet £10 on a game and it pays out £500, it's the casino I'm on that pays out, not the overall game supplier.

Just trying to work out how these things all work in the background.

 

 

 

 

 

[andy67]

1 minute ago, andy67 said:

Those recommendations (Bitstarz & Winz.io Casino) - I looked them both up and they get slated on sites like Thepogg?

Also, not available in the UK.

[Afi4wins]

1. That an individual slot game has an overall RTP across all the casinos it's available on and regarldess of where we play it's going to pay out or not depending on everyone else who has played it across multiple casinos? or ...

2. The payout is independent on each casino it runs on?

3. Something else?

 

Honestly speaking, I guess no gambler can correctly deduce which is right or wrong, or what is actually happening to a same game at different casinos, and so on.

I see it in a simpler way. Each and every car, for instance, has been designed to certain specs and these specs determine the performance of the car. Yet, each car driver/owner would get different results and performance from that same car. Light-footed drivers would get better fuel consumption. Hard drivers who love flooring the pedal would get much worse consumption. Careless drivers would get the car into all sorts of trouble.

The point is, same car, different drivers, different results and performances! Same with slot games too. Each game has a designated/designed RTP, but each same game would not perform/give results the same way to each and every player! Get my point? There are way too many variables and variances in play, so much so that not any single aspect can become the main influencer or contributor. Then there's also the different luck levels that each one of us has...some are always lucky, most are not.

[andy67]

I get the car analogy but I do start to wonder if the RTP is focused on each individual player.

If (as I've seen) I'm playing a slot on 3 different casinos, and the stake etc. moves with me between those, that indicates that the slot 'owner' knows my IP/cookie and, in theory, the RTP for me personally could go up and down depending on the outcomes of me playing that game before.

Unless of course the RTP covers all players of that game (whatever casino has access to it) and there are just times that I'm unlucky (and vice-versa) depending on how it's been paying or on the take beforehand

Overall, I was just intrigued on the actual mechanics of how all these games operate across different casinos but I guess there's no way we'll ever find out for sure!

 

[Afi4wins]

1 hour ago, andy67 said:

I get the car analogy but I do start to wonder if the RTP is focused on each individual player.

If (as I've seen) I'm playing a slot on 3 different casinos, and the stake etc. moves with me between those, that indicates that the slot 'owner' knows my IP/cookie and, in theory, the RTP for me personally could go Up and Down depending on the outcomes of me playing that game before.

Unless of course the RTP covers all players of that game (whatever casino has access to it) and there are just times that I'm unlucky (and vice-versa) depending on how it's been paying or on the take beforehand

Overall, I was just intrigued on the actual mechanics of how all these games operate across different casinos but I guess there's no way we'll ever find out for sure!

 

The game's RTP is never focussed onto any one player!

What actually may make a difference is your current overall RTP at any one casino! If your RTP is on the good side, any game may play badly, and vice versa. Still, no one can say for sure but I'm pretty confident that would affect your on-going game play at any casino.

[SarikaGupta]

Online slots, also known as slot machines or video slots, are popular casino games available in online casinos. They operate using a computer program called a random number generator (RNG) that determines the outcome of each spin. Here's how online slots generally work within individual casinos:

1. Random Number Generator (RNG): The RNG is the core component of online slots. It generates a sequence of random numbers or symbols that determine the outcome of each spin. The RNG operates continuously, even when no one is playing the game, ensuring fairness and unpredictability.

2. Game Selection: Online casinos offer a wide variety of slot games from different software providers. Each game has its own theme, design, paytable, and features. Players can choose the slot game they prefer based on their preferences and gameplay features.

3. Betting: Before spinning the reels, players place their bets. They can adjust the coin value, number of paylines (if applicable), and the number of coins wagered per line. The total bet is calculated based on these settings.

4. Spin and Outcome: Once the bet is placed, the player initiates the spin. The RNG generates a random number or symbol combination that determines the outcome of the spin. The reels spin and come to a stop, displaying the symbols on the screen.

5. Payout Calculation: If the symbols align in a winning combination according to the game's paytable, the player receives a payout. The payout amount depends on the specific symbol combination, the player's bet, and the game's rules. Online slots typically have various winning combinations, including special symbols such as wilds and scatters that may trigger bonus features or free spins.

6. Return to Player (RTP): Each online slot has a predetermined RTP, which is the theoretical percentage of the total amount wagered that is paid back to players over time. For example, if a slot has an RTP of 95%, it means that, on average, it pays back 95% of the total bets over an extended period. The remaining 5% represents the house edge, which ensures the casino's long-term profitability.

It's important to note that online casinos are regulated entities, and reputable casinos undergo regular audits to ensure fairness and compliance with industry standards. The use of RNGs and adherence to licensing and regulatory requirements contribute to the integrity and fairness of online slot games.

If you have specific questions or concerns about a particular online slot or the operations of an online casino, it is recommended to reach out to the casino's customer support or consult their terms and conditions for further information.

[robjmiller]

On 5/26/2023 at 11:51 PM, andy67 said:

Update on this - playing the same slot on a few different casinos past couple of days and it slaughtered me across the board!  And I played it a LOT!

Thinking further, we deposit into each casino so there's got to be some sort of 'control' that stops any one game paying too much.  MAYBE that control is with the original slot operator who keeps to the RTP % but will have down periods where, regardless of where that slot is played, it'll hammer people.

 

The Return to Player (RTP) percentage associated with a slot machine represents the average amount of money returned to players over time. For example, a 95% RTP means that, on average, players can expect to win back $95 for every $100 wagered. However, it's essential to remember that the RTP is calculated over a long period and does not guarantee specific short-term outcomes. In the short term, there can be significant fluctuations, and players may experience winning streaks or losing streaks that are simply due to chance.

It's natural to feel frustrated or unlucky when faced with a losing streak, but it's important to approach gambling with the understanding that outcomes are random. Each spin of the slot machine is independent of previous spins, and casinos have no control over individual game results or payout patterns.