Online Casino Bug/Exploit

[skoco]

Helloo

I have found Bug/Exploit regarding Depositing methods in dozens of Casino. It applies for all players from Europe. It can be abused to gain "free" money to gamble with or withdraw. And no, it doesn't include and promotions or bonuses. I contacted few casinos but they do not believe me. Is there a way we could set up some kind of meeting to discuss this. If they're willing to give reward for something like this. I already tested this with two Casinos, and i works flawlessly. About month ago. First Casino didn't notice it, until i sent them few emails regarding this. 

And with second Casino im doing it with their knowledge and acceptance. 

 

Willing to provide proof to Askgamblers team if needed!

[ValDes]

Hey there and welcome to AskGamblers Forum  

I guess you can imagine how ludicrous your statements sound, right?  Further clarification and proofs are more than required... 

Challenge accepted ? 

[skoco]

So, it was done in Tipico( sports bets and casino) 

And with consent at Live.Casino, but im still wating for confirmation from them. 

In both Case, funds were back at my bank account, and was still credited money in Casino account. 

Here is screenshot shot from conversation over email with Tipico, and bank statement that shows return of initial deposit. 

 

 

 

 

[ValDes]

Thanks for the clarification, but as far as I can see from your pics you are NOT allowed the use the funds in your casino balance until you send back to the operator the amount of the failed deposit, right? 

[skoco]

I was allowed in both cases to use funds! 

Tipico didn't realise this, until i sent them few emails to check it up with financial department. 

And i both cases, were used different deposit methods. 

Can you now understand what im talking about? 

Let's say theoretically, that this was leaked to the public. 

1. Casino's wouldn't now what deposit to process. 

2. Withdraws would be prolonged for few weeks. 

3. And you can't put a number on how much damage would be done to the Casino's. 

 

Players could basically deposit few thousand and put it on Roulette. 

If they win: they get winnings plus deposiy

If they lose: they get deposit back

So it's win win situation for players. 

And then multiply that by Cca. 50 000 players from Europe(or more) 

[cocopop3011]

But from what  I can work out in that email to you, they recognised the fault and there is now way, (even if they let you play with the funds) they would ever allow you to withdraw knowing the deposit as actually refunded to your bank! Right?

[skoco]

2 hours ago, cocopop3011 said:

But from what  I can work out in that email to you, they recognised the fault and there is now way, (even if they Let you play with the funds) they would ever allow you to withdraw knowing the deposit as actually refunded to your bank! Right?

Look at another screenshot. Where they say that no funds are missing. I will add screenshot where i asked them. 

 

They have recognised fault AFTER I TOLD THEM ABOUT IT. 

 

I mean, if you are bent on not believing me.  After the proof i have provided.. 

 

If asked i would give you access to my mail, to read it in peace. 

 

 

 

And to be honest, i have contacted few Casino's, they didn't believe me as well. And i can see you are not believing me. 

 

 

 

So, if you are so sure they could prevent it, let's make a bet on it. I will describe it in detail so anyone can do it, and release it publicly. Any suggestion what/how much wager should be?

[ValDes]

Well, please keep in mind that you have found (incidentally I hope) some kind of a glitch or a loophole into particular deposit method and how it communicates with the operator's payment gateway/provider, you are actually obliged to report to both your own payment provider as well as the operator's.  Sooner or later the missing transactions will be discovered and then, there's pretty serious chance you will not only be held responsible for exploiting the glitch but could also get serious, criminal charges. My advice - contact the affected operator and payment provider ASAP and report your findings. 

[skoco]

1. Im not obliged to anyone to report it. Even if I'm obliged to report it, for free i won't do it. 

2. I have found it incidentally. 

3. I don't plan to use it. Period. 

4. The whole point of this thread is to see, will you help me to communicate with Provider's/Casino's about this. Since they do not believe me. 

[ValDes]

1.  Actually you are... at least this is what any honest and fair player would do. 

2. Great, happy to hear that. 

3. Awesome! 

4. We may try to put you in connection with the affected operator but only if you hereby confirm you do not intend to use the occasion to 'negotiate' rewards, etc. 

[skoco]

1 hour ago, ValDes said:

1.  Actually you are... at least this is what any honest and fair player would do. 

2. Great, happy to hear that. 

3. Awesome! 

4. We may try to put you in connection with the affected operator but only if you hereby confirm you do not intend to use the occasion to 'negotiate' rewards, etc. 

I will not negotiate about Reward. 

It's clearly obvious that Reward is included. 

[ValDes]

Hey again, 

Spoke with our Account team and it appears we are not working with Tipico casino, that's why they are not listed on AG yet. Sorry.  

[skoco]

26 minutes ago, ValDes said:

Hey again, 

Spoke with our Account team and it appears we are not working with Tipico casino, that's why they are not listed on AG yet. Sorry.  

I could make an list of Casino's that use those depositing methods. 

And we could start with that. 

Im not looking for millions in reward

Just a tiny portion, that Casino's wouldn't even notice. 

I think that is a fair trade 

[Flatzem]

1 hour ago, skoco said:

I will not negotiate about Reward. 

It's clearly obvious that Reward is included. 

how much money you want at least as reward?

[skoco]

2 hours ago, Flatzem said:

how much money you want at least as reward?

It's not up to me to say or decide. 

 

[Afi4wins]

5 hours ago, skoco said:

I could make an list of Casino's that use those depositing methods. 

And we could start with that. 

Im not looking for millions in reward

Just a tiny portion, that Casino's wouldn't even notice. 

I think that is a fair trade 

Knowing how casinos tend to do their businesses, by you informing them of a possible loop hole in the deposit system, they may thank you in the end (after being convinced that it can indeed happen). The good casinos may reward you with some bonus free spins or some bonus money, but most may not even be bothered to offer any reward! Give you free hard cash as a reward? Most unlikely, if you ask me. Why? Simply because they have not lost any money from the loop hole, as far as they know, that is, so they wouldn't give away real cash for nothing...they'd faced the problem of how to balance their ledgers!

[skoco]

36 minutes ago, Afi4wins said:

Knowing how casinos tend to do their businesses, by you informing them of a possible loop hole in the deposit system, they may thank you in the end (after being convinced that it can indeed happen). The good casinos may reward you with some bonus free spins or some bonus money, but most may not even be bothered to offer any reward! Give you free hard cash as a reward? Most unlikely, if you ask me. Why? Simply because they have not Lost any money from the loop hole, as far as they know, that is, so they wouldn't give away real cash for nothing...they'd faced the problem of how to balance their ledgers!

This was the BEST reply so far!!!

I will not agree on Free spins or Bonus money. That's just insulting. 

That's my fear too. 

I don't quite understand it. They could lose few millions,  since it would take a minimum of few weeks to patch this up. And i can't imagine how many players would stop playing at those Casino's. 

Since everything would be prolonged from deposit to withdraw. 

 

How arrogant you need to be to ignore something like that and denying a small reward.  When in reality you could be damaged by it. 

[cocopop3011]

2 hours ago, skoco said:

This was the BEST reply so far!!!

I will not agree on Free spins or Bonus money. That's just insulting. 

That's my fear too. 

I don't quite understand it. They could lose few millions,  since it would take a minimum of few weeks to patch this up. And i can't imagine how many players would stop playing at those Casino's. 

Since everything would be prolonged from deposit to withdraw. 

 

How arrogant you need to be to ignore something like that and denying a small reward.  When in reality you could be damaged by it. 

So basically, you think that you are going to get a fat wad of cash in return for your findings? 

Can I ask why you have not already tried to get this reward yet but revealing your findings? 

[skoco]

1 hour ago, cocopop3011 said:

So basically, you think that you are going to get a fat wad of cash in return for your findings? 

Can I ask why you have not already tried to get this reward yet but revealing your findings? 

I have tried to contact them through Live  chat, but trying to explain this to the live support is unbelievable task. I mean with no offence, they couldn't comprehend this. The experience was like explaining this to the dog. They just stare at you. 

AND this was purpose of this thread, to see if you could help me(and by doing so helping your clients "Casino's") contact right Person with authority within Casino's. 

[Afi4wins]

4 hours ago, skoco said:

This was the BEST reply so far!!!

I will not agree on Free spins or Bonus money. That's just insulting. 

That's my fear too. 

I don't quite understand it. They could lose few millions,  since it would take a minimum of few weeks to patch this up. And i can't imagine how many players would stop playing at those Casino's. 

Since everything would be prolonged from deposit to withdraw. 

 

How arrogant you need to be to ignore something like that and denying a small reward.  When in reality you could be damaged by it. 

That is exactly the point...the absurdity of rewarding with free spins or bonus money to someone who could save the casino tons of money!

Let's face the hard truth. Casinos are purely money businesses. Nothing can be given for free. Ledgers must be balanced. Every dollar and cent accounted for. When nothing has been lost, nothing can be given for free. If the casino had indeed faced unresolved missing money, then such a resolution can be worth money, with a reward of a small percentage of the total amount lost. Don't forget though...only a small percentage can ever be given...NEVER any huge amounts! Between person and money, money always take precedence!

Patching up a loophole is not a major issue to any casino. They could stop that depositing method for as long as it requires to get it resolved and corrected. There are many other depositing methods that their customers can use. Stopping one or two depositing methods don't hurt their business that much, maybe just like being pinched for a short while. So, how much money can a pinch be worth??? Know what I mean?

Also, there may be specific insurances to cover such unforeseen losses, not only involving the casinos but the depositing providers too, so both parties are covered.

Perhaps then, just my personal opinion, the best authority to inform of such a loop-hole is the Insurance Company itself, because they are the ones who could end up losing money! And insurance companies may be able to find a legal way of awarding any rewards for disclosures of any damaging loop-holes. Their check-and-balance are way different from those of casinos!

Yeah, it's like a Catch 22 situation isn't it? You report a loop-hole that could save tons of money, but you only get peanuts in return as a reward. You use the loop-hole and make tons of money yourself, sooner or later the authorities would find out, and you end up in jail.

Which of the two would criminally inclined persons would chose to do? No rewards for guessing the right answer! 

[volcomecek]

nodepositebonus?

[skoco]

7 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

That is exactly the point...the absurdity of rewarding with free spins or bonus money to someone who could save the casino tons of money!

Let's face the hard truth. Casinos are purely money businesses. Nothing can be given for free. Ledgers must be balanced. Every dollar and cent accounted for. When nothing has been Lost, nothing can be given for free. If the casino had indeed faced unresolved missing money, then such a resolution can be worth money, with a reward of a small percentage of the total amount lost. Don't forget though...only a small percentage can ever be given...NEVER any huge amounts! Between person and money, money always take precedence!

Patching up a loophole is not a major issue to any casino. They could stop that depositing method for as long as it requires to get it resolved and corrected. There are many other depositing methods that their customers can use. Stopping one or two depositing methods don't hurt their business that much, maybe just like being pinched for a short while. So, how much money can a pinch be worth??? Know what I mean?

Also, there may be specific insurances to cover such unforeseen losses, not only involving the casinos but the depositing providers too, so both parties are covered.

Perhaps then, just my personal opinion, the best authority to inform of such a loop-hole is the Insurance Company itself, because they are the ones who could end up losing money! And insurance companies may be able to find a legal way of awarding any rewards for disclosures of any damaging loop-holes. Their check-and-balance are way different from those of casinos!

Yeah, it's like a Catch 22 situation isn't it? You report a loop-hole that could save tons of money, but you only get peanuts in return as a reward. You use the loop-hole and make tons of money yourself, sooner or later the authorities would find out, and you end up in jail.

Which of the two would criminally inclined persons would chose to do? No rewards for guessing the right answer! 

I agree with you. But to have business like this, and expect a loopholes, and soo on. And NOT encourage people to come forward it's stupid business move. If they had approach like this:

Dear Gamblers, if you notice something is wrong with our system(games, deposit, etc.) please telll us about it. So we can make your experience better. And you will rewarded accordingly to it. 

Today, almost any serious online business offers some kind of reward(or at least gratitude) for finding loopholes. 

They just do the program called Bug Bounty. 

But from my experience so far they would rather lose $10k then $100. 

 

About insurance companies. I do not know how exactly they work with online business. I will try to dig up something. 

 

Well i will be returning to my homeland in few weeks. And we have most corrupted justice system, and basically everything. It's Croatia if you were wondering. 

So i will talk to few people there. 

But right now, my opinion is:

The Casino's need to learn the lesson. 

[Afi4wins]

1 hour ago, skoco said:

I agree with you. But to have business like this, and expect a loopholes, and soo on. And NOT encourage people to come forward it's stupid business move. If they had approach like this:

Dear Gamblers, if you notice something is wrong with our system(games, deposit, etc.) please telll us about it. So we can make your experience better. And you will rewarded accordingly to it. 

Today, almost any serious online business offers some kind of reward(or at least gratitude) for finding loopholes. 

They just do the program called Bug Bounty. 

But from my experience so far they would rather lose $10k then $100. 

 

About insurance companies. I do not know how exactly they work with online business. I will try to dig up something. 

 

Well i will be returning to my homeland in few weeks. And we have most corrupted justice system, and basically everything. It's Croatia if you were wondering. 

So i will talk to few people there. 

But right now, my opinion is:

The Casino's need to learn the lesson. 

Hope you'll have a nice and safe journey back to Croatia soon. Nothing feels better than to be at home (homeland), right? 

Well, it's always a cruel world out there, injustice abound everywhere, and what is 'just' to us may be 'absurd' to others.

Yes, casinos may reward those who report bugs, loopholes or what's wrong at their casinos, but like I said earlier, their rewards always tend to be some free spins or bonus money (with wagering attached, ). As far as I know, only big-spenders high-level VIPs can get cash rewards, simply because casinos need them to stay on and be satisfied! 

[skoco]

6 hours ago, Afi4wins said:

Hope you'll have a nice and safe journey back to Croatia soon. Nothing feels better than to be at home (homeland), right? 

Well, it's always a cruel world out there, injustice abound everywhere, and what is 'just' to us may be 'absurd' to others.

Yes, casinos may reward those who report bugs, loopholes or what's wrong at their casinos, but like I said earlier, their rewards always tend to be some free spins or bonus money (with wagering attached, ). As far as I know, only big-spenders high-level VIPs can get cash rewards, simply because casinos need them to stay on and be satisfied! 

Thanks mate!

I hope askgamblers admins will open some conversation with Casino's. 

And see whats best move to do here

[Afi4wins]

14 hours ago, skoco said:

Thanks mate!

I hope askgamblers admins will open some conversation with Casino's. 

And see whats best move to do here

Perhaps you should write directly to the depositing provider and inform them that there's a loophole in the depositing transaction of their ewallet, card system or whatever. Better than going to various casinos. Maybe you can get better rewards from them too, like maybe cash vouchers, hehehe.