It looks like we have an interesting discussion here.
But a good, heated dispute, without the old dog Sloto is almost the same as a sunset without a sun!
So... Dear boys, my opinion, I repeat my opinion, is:
@Manchester
"When your losing, it means many other people are playing or have played the same slot as you and have won or are winning, this gives you less chance of winning as the game needs to rake its profits.(Never play a game which is advertised or offering double loyalty points)" - never heard of such a nonsense, gathered in just one sentence. Sorry pal, I'm playing from 13 years but didn't noticed such kind of dependencies so far.
"Also, if you win from one slot and go back to it the following week, your account has logged the profit you have made from this game, chances are you will only give it back, you can't always wins from the same game." - no comment, even my wife, who is not the most regular gambler, was on her way to pass out from laughter
@ValDes
I thought you were from the old guard mate?! Don't pull the trigger so fast, just let the youngsters perk the combs a little
@to all members
if anyone has a working formula of how to ***** the casino, please, let me know If not, than better listen to the old dogs. You will never hear from their mouth "do that', "don't do this", because all they know is that they know........NOTHING, about how a casino software works!
Now, off to bed immediately, otherwise the bad old Sloto will come and ask you for ...................... a beer
I have a suggestion for a competition. For the one who has wagerred most during the last month for example. The rewards above are decent enough, no need to change them. And all the competitors must be registered at JC via your link.
I have a suggestion for a competition. For the one who has wagerred most during the last month for example. The rewards above are decent enough, no need to change them. And all the competitors must be registered at JC via your link.
It looks like we have an interesting discussion here.
But a good, heated dispute, without the old dog Sloto is almost the same as a sunset without a sun!
So... Dear boys, my opinion, I repeat my opinion, is:
@Manchester
"When your losing, it means many other people are playing or have played the same slot as you and have won or are winning, this gives you less chance of winning as the game needs to rake its profits.(Never play a game which is advertised or offering double loyalty points)" - never heard of such a nonsense, gathered in just one sentence. Sorry pal, I'm playing from 13 years but didn't noticed such kind of dependencies so far.
"Also, if you win from one slot and go back to it the following week, your account has logged the profit you have made from this game, chances are you will only give it back, you can't always wins from the same game." - no comment, even my wife, who is not the most regular gambler, was on her way to pass out from laughter
@ValDes
I thought you were from the old guard mate?! Don't pull the trigger so fast, just let the youngsters perk the combs a little
@to all members
if anyone has a working formula of how to ***** the casino, please, let me know If not, than better listen to the old dogs. You will never hear from their mouth "do that', "don't do this", because all they know is that they know........NOTHING, about how a casino software works!
Now, off to bed immediately, otherwise the bad old Sloto will come and ask you for ...................... a beer
ValDes, Manchester, better listen to the ladies. Believe me, we're still ages ahead of you, when talking about things like "elegance", "beauty" and "exquisiteness", even regarding to a slot game!
So... I have a small wish then Why not giving us some information about the smaller casino softwares? I mean, we all know who are the giants like Microgaming, RTG, Playtech, Net Entertainment, Rival, Top Game, Bet on soft, Skill on net,etc., but we know almost nothing about the rest, less known companies
Yeah, I guess, I'm done wtih Micrigaming for now!
Had a terrible session at Virgin last night!
Had a terrible week at 32Red last week!
Had a terrible monts at every single microgaming slot I try so far!
Enough!
...............Welcome, NetEntertainment!
But the main advantage of this forum is something else IMO. I've been around such portals for a couple of years, have been a member in most of them, but this place is different. And do you know why?
Because, everyone here is friendly, i've never been insulted or blasphemed so far, no matter what my opinion was!
Because I've found here tons of useful information, guides and bonuses, of course!
But the most important is some of the members here, who are always ready to help you, despite how complex your problem is! They'll always treat you as even, not behaving as some mentors or as the local wolf pack, which is always ready to tear apart, those who are different! This is a very serious problem in many of the major forums, but still no sign from it here at the ASKG forum so far!
Thank you Luciana!
Thank you ValDes!
Thank you klarissa!
Thank you Black Diamond!
Thank you Greg!
You all rock!
Liciana, you're right - no escape from MGS, I suppose. Got the bonus, play the bonus, lost the bonus, deposit again, got some bonus again, lost all again. End of story!
Time for a long break from MGS, and this time no one will make me turn back! Even you Luciana
Thanks for the kind words, Sloto!
I've already answered similar questions a few times, but now will say it again - no, I'm not a former, nor a present casino rep or something! ...I'm just an undercover agent from the tax office!
I managed to help a very close friend of mine from Austria, to resolve his issue about a 10K withdrawal denial from a major casino operatop! (Sorry, cannot mention names ) After a long battle (in which I was very seriously involved, but this is what the friends are supposed to be for ), he called me just an hour ago to say that he got the all the money in his bank account down to the last cent! He was so excited on the phone, screaming and yelling as some mad psycho, that in the first minute or so, I even didn't manage to understand what the ***** is going on!
And do you know why I'm telling you all this?! Because of only one reason! Nothing is lost until you have friends beside you!
And since I started this topis...I suppose, it's my duty and honour to be the first!
So, I'm proud to present you my best (and only) dream run so far!!!
I did this mind-boggling winning streak, while playing my favorite Microgaming slot for all time - Thunderstruck II, in 32 Red casino, back in January 2012!
Now buckle up, hold your breath and enjoy the ride!
I made a $100 deposit and get a small bonus of $40. It was already late afternoon, when I get this - more than 200x bet, nice Thor feature while playing at 0.30 per spin
It was all for that day, had some business to do! But on the next day...the magic began almost from the very furst spin! Super cool Loki feature on bet 1.80- more than 100x win!
Then, already with thunders and lightnings in my head , I decided this day will be, you know... the DAY, which everyone of us is waiting for! The day, when our dreams come true! So, I increased the bet to 3.00........and got this monster Valkyrie hit! And than again...with Odin!
You think it's over?! Nooooo... I was completely stunned, mad....and determined to push my luck to the limits...And beyond!...Raised the bet on 6.00 per spin!...And guess, what happened after less than 10 spins?! ... Another mind blowing feature - Odin again! Not exactly 100x bet win, but almost!
No need to explain what was the amount of adrenaline burning into my veins!!! But it was just the right time for me to take the most stupid of all possible decisions, I could ever done in such moment! I made the bet 15.00 per spin! ... And it paid! Numerous high five of a kind combination and than ... BOOM! Definitely not 100x bet, but it's so sweet to look at it!!!
Cashed out $2500 that day!And all this for less than an hour! Now you know what the word "luck" means!
Fantastic job, mate!
I've already tried most of the top 50, but when I remember how much time I lost to dig out for all these tuny, but tricky details...
A few weeks ago I've decided to do something new, interesting and helpful, let's hope! And here we go - a brand new table, which I called AskGamblers.com Top 50 Quick Check List! It took me a lot of time, I sent and received dozens of e-mails, spent a few hours across numerous live chats, but finally got all the information!
Now let me tell you the reasons for creating that sort of table and for spending such a huge amount of time in something like this!
Maybe most of you have already noticed that in the last year or so too many online casinos obtained some sort of bad reputation, if not even worse. So, in times like this, in my opinion, it's a good idea to pay some tribute and respect to those casinos, which have managed to remain honest, trustworthy and loyal to their customers, despite all sort of economic and financial crisis, despite of the fierce competition for every single player and despite of the burning desire, every single business company has, to increase the profits more and more and more, sometimes on their customers expence!
Another reason to do this list, is to save you time, while looking for all these small, but very important details, like whether a casino give you the ability to flush your withdrawal or not, is your welcome bonus cashable or not, how long the pending period lasts and so on - my personal experience tells me that, all these details are crucial for your success and in an online casino most of the time, but are hard to find or not so easy to discover at least!
And finally, it will be just perfect if some of the checks in the table, like pending periods and flushing for example, become more and more popular and important to check, not only among players, but among the casinos too, because, to be honest, there's still much to be desired from most of their websites, regarding this sort of key information! I was stunned, while making all the necessary researches for the table, from the fact, that most of the casino's support representatives were totally unaware of what a "to flush a withdrawal" means? At least half of the checked 50 websites were quite laconic in stating their pending periods in a clear and visible way... Well, it's not an easy task to be perfect, but this is what are players like us for, right? To keep pushing and bothering the best with constant, irritating remarks, like "Hey, why don't you do that...", ""Why, don't you do that..."
Attention to US players!
Although there is not even a single casino among all the 50 in the list, which accepts players from the United States, I leave that column intentionally! Let all the members see, how cruel and totally unfare is to all US players, to be banned from most of the major and trustfull casinos and software platforms! As a compensation to all of them, I'm planning to make a similar table, dedicated to all decent casinos, accepting US customers!
Now, I'm leaving you to take a look at the table! And please, do not be harsh with me, if you notice some inaccuracies - I'm just a man, standing in front of the members, asking them to like me... Oh, come on man, wasn't that a cue from a movie?!!
(Tip: watch the movie "Notting Hill")
So, here is the table:
And here's the link to google docs in the original excel format for your convinience:
https://docs.google....RVBwWllmcUlJd2s
Boring?! Automatic?! For slots...??!
Luciana, you have just said some terrible heresy!
Yes, you can say boring and automatic for video poker, maybe to some extent it also apply to roulette and BJ, but to slots...?! Totally disagree with you!
It is exactly the slots, what brings millions and millions of players to the online casinos!
It is exactly the slots, what makes the revolution in the business, called online gambling since 1995 till now!
It is exactly the slots, what is the most powerful weapon in the online casinos arsenal, used in their fierce, everyday battle for even a single new customer!
It is exactly the slots, what drives all the software producers pushing the limits over and over again, by releasing games with always better quiality of grapfics, sound and vision,and improving them constantly!
It is exactly the slots, what attracts player with all these multi-million jackpots attached to them! Why do you think casinos have connected most of their jackpots with slots and not to BJ or roulette for example? It's simple - because the vast majority of casino customers prefer playing slots!
Now i will stop for a while, just for a short break...
If you need more arguments, just tell me...
BTW, what is your biggest win so far in a casino, Luciana? You were a BJ fan, right. Tell me what is your biggest win, what was your bet when you got it and than I will tell you about mine. And than you will understand why most of the people prefer slots!
Getting this bonus was a real pain
Sometimes these Microgaming casinos can be really irritating! Not only that I had to wait more than 48 hours to get this bonus, but had to talk with the live support maybe 3 times and to explain again and again that this offer is now available also for other countries, not onlu UK and Ireland. So much confusion and for what...for 5 credits, as if they were giving 500???! And at the end I played exactly 2 minutes Break the bank again slot with 0.09bet per spin, before losing the whole "mega free bonus" !
flushing when i can is always my first choice. most of the casinos i play at do it but if you're playing at a place that doesnt and struggle, try to think about what you will use the money for, maybe a stickie note on your monitor even lol.
This thread is dedicated to all of us, who have troubles in resisting the desire to reverse our withdrawals! I will share my own experience on that subject, but it would be just great if you post your own methods of coping with that problem!
And so, how to resist on reversing a cashout?
The easiest way is the simplest one and it is to choose to play in casinos, which do not have any pending periods! No pending periods means, no chance of reversing a withdrawal at all, so perhaps it is the best possible solution. Well, unfortunately, most of the casinos actually do have pending periods, so most of the time it won’t be much of a help to you.
Another good solution is to contact the casino support and kindly request for the so called “withdrawal flush”, which basically means that the amount, you have cashed out will not be available for reversing any longer! This is the best possible solution in my opinion, but it is still not so wide spread across the world of online gambling! The good news is that it is gathering speed already and soon, maybe in a couple of years, it will be a must for every single reputable online casino!
The best possible way to resist on reversing a withdrawal is to endure mentally! I know, I know, it is the hardest way of all, but believe me, it’s also the sweetest one! Sometimes I resist, sometimes not, but the battle with my own mind is always an exciting exercise! At the end, everything, concerning gambling is a matter of self discipline and control! And if you resist on your own temptations, than you deserve to be called a really good gambler!
Recently I have discovered another method to control my reversals and it is called “the AskGamblers.com forum”! Yeap, every time I felt uncertain in resisting my own temptations, I came here and post my concerns! You will be amazed by how much help you will get by the other members, most of whom has already been in your shoes!
5. Try to think about what you will use the money for, maybe a stickie note on your monitor! - added by klarissa
6. Play your favourite slots and games just for fun, here at the AskGamblers.com website, while waiting for the end of the pending period! - added by BlueBird, inspired by Luciana
7. The best way to cope with that sort of problems (and all kind of gambling problems btw) is to learn to control yourself and your gambling habits in particular! Everything in gambling is a matter of self discipline - including to reverse or not your winnings! - added by SlotoHolic
8. I think the best way to cope with that problem is to win one of those huge Microgaming or NetEnt progressives and quit gambling once and for all! Simple and clear, dont you think? - added by The.Dark.Knight
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10. Added by lcymod.
11. Added by klopklop
12. Added by bigdk88
Well, I hope, it will help you dear friends! And please, if you feel the desire to reverse a withdrawal is overwhelming you, this thread will always be your shelter!
P.S.: For the absolute beginners: To "reverse a withdrawal" means to cancel your request for withdrawing funds from an online casino. It is available only if the request is made during the so called "pending period", when you are given the opportunity to reconsider about the withdrawal and to reverse back to your balance a part or the hole amount of the requested cashout.
Fear should be the last possible feeling in your "to do list" at this point, rhydpowell! And since you seem to be not very well oriented what to do in such situations, I'll afford myself giving you some exact advices, how to try to resolve this awful issues.
1. You must read this guide as a beginning - SOS, I got troubles with my casino, what to do?
2. Make one final attempt to resolve the issue on your own by contacting the customer support and showing them your strong determination to seek for what is your, but in a polite manner!
3. If still no result than it is time to submit a complaint - you just have to decide whether it will be an official or unofficial. I always recommend to start first with the unofficial one.
4. Submit your unofficial complaint here at the AskGamblers.com website. You will be surprised how fast sometimes the clumsy casino machine can actually work, when some publicity is involved!
5. Wait for the final decision and if it is not positive there is only one step left. To submit an official complaint at the Central Dispute System(which is dealing with these matters for RTG casinos) for each one of the casinos, you got troubles with!
For Grand Parker casino here: http://www.centraldisputesystem.com/form.asp?casinoID=1060
For WinPalace casino here: http://www.centraldisputesystem.com/form.asp?casinoID=1005
It will probably take some times, usually months, but no matter what kind of submitting complaints (usually both of them) if you have fulfulled all the necessary wagering requirements (if a bonus is invloved) and terms and conditions, you will get your money! Now it's your turn!
And please let me know if I can help with something more about this!
Dear friends, yesterday was a great day! The day with the big "D"!
I thought I would never live to see how a casino would pay me as fast as when depositig there! But I did! Today!
I was playing these days in Virgin casino with pretty decent success and this morning decided to withdraw some of my winnings. I have made a couple of cash outs before and knew they are paying really fast! But what happened today was a complete shock for me - those guys have processed my winnings in just minutes and i got my money in my Skrill account in less than a hour!!! LESS THAN A HOUR! I thought it was impossible! Yes, I know the amount is not big, but big or not, that must be well noticed and appreciated!
Here are some screenshots of that monumental event!
From my gmail account:
And from my Scrill account history:
I wish this will turn into a normal casino withdrawal practice! Sometimes! Maybe!
This is a guide, dedicated to all fans of online casinos and which I hope to help you save a huge part of any unpleasant emotions, associated with withdrawals of your profits from a casino. Receiving the winnings is supposed to be the most pleasant time for you and not for the world should be overshadowed by any obstacles, misunderstandings and conflicts! Unfortunately, my experience shows that this otherwise so sweet and long-awaited moment, very often turns into a terrible nightmare, able not only to spoil the good mood and lofty spirit, but also bring substantial material losses, not to mention the amount of wasted nerves and negative energy! To be completely honest, I've also been in similar situations, especially early in my career as a humble lover of slot games. And just because of the fact, that I was already on the fence, I would like to share with you some of my experience, which I hope will save you a great deal of negative emotions and allows you to enjoy the true, unadulterated thrill of gambling!
Another reason to write this guide is that, unfortunately, very limited number of people and gambling portals are trying to be more comprehensive and insightful when it comes to explaining how to withdraw your money from a casino smoothly! If you are looking for information about the process of depositing, trust me, you will be literally overwhelmed by such, but if it comes to withdrawing...its not that easy, I’m afraid! Most of them are limited only to indicate in short the technology and methods used for cashing out, but the intricacies of this very sensitive process as if always remain unspoken or passed over in silence all the way! I am far from thinking, this is done intentionally, but anyway when the facts speak, even the gods are silent! And those facts are telling, that the vast majority of the submitted formal and informal complaints are related to withdrawal of funds! So what does it mean? I think it means that this matter is not spoken enough, details of the withdrawal are not well explained by the casinos themselves and their affiliates, not to mention the terribly complicated terminology and fraught with difficulty understandable casino terms and conditions!
Finally, I would like to say that this is not a classic step-by-step guide, but rather a guide devoted to tips and examples on how to avoid potential trouble! It is designed for beginners and for those of you, with still insufficient experience in dealing with an online casino!
Well, time to talk on this topic more openly! No banned subjects, no complicated words, no subterfuge on sensitive topics! The truth and only the truth, at least that one, which I believe wholeheartedly!
Let's start with the first one than! And it is that in most cases, when the player finally reaches the sublime moment of withdrawal, he just has no idea when, by whom and what to expect! This is a phenomenon, I just have no logical explanation for, but in any case, the fact that the vast majority of users of online casinos entrust their money to an organization, for whose rules and manner of operation they have only superficial and vague idea, is simply shocking! If you have any doubts about this issue, I will recommend you digging around a little bit in the forums of any of the major gaming portals or across their sections dealing with customer’s complaints, and than you will make sure, the lack of basic knowledge about the technology of withdrawing is quite often the very basis of the specific problem!
Ok, but how to prevent ourselves from that kind of troubles?
There is only one way - through knowledge! Good knowledge of all details, even the smallest associated with the technology of withdrawing funds from an online casino is the only way to get quality and trouble free service in exchange for your money! Moreover - the possession of such knowledge would certainly give you the opportunity not only to quickly get your profits, but also to predict successfully future problems and to avoid them! And this is truly priceless! I know it's not easy for an ordinary customer of the casino to investigate in depth all the conditions, details and minor setbacks, especially if he/she does not speak and understood well at least one of the most popular languages, to digest all the information, to make necessary conclusions and to be able to take the most important – the decision namely, “Hey, is this casino will actually pay me everything and on time?”. Well, I guess that here exactly is my role - to attempt to recreate this process, using simple and easy to understand words and lots of examples, of course!
So enough with the generalities, let us examine in detail what we need to know to get money easily.
I. Investigate the casino
By investigation, I mean not only to determine whether the casino, in which you intend to play is reliable in terms of reputation, but to try to find out more about the existence of any problems, connected with the payment of profits, late payments, cases of confiscated winnings, etc. If you find such data, it is crucial to understand in what way and for how long the casino in question, coped with solving such cases, do they satisfied the claims of the player and if not, do they pointed any strong arguments for such a decision, do they maintained the good manner and attitude and so on. All these details are extremely important, because of one very simple reason - tomorrow you are the one, who can be involved in such a problem and if already have some idea what to expect as a reaction from the casino, then your chances for a successful outcome from such a situation would be quite good! And since even the best are not insured against mistakes, I would like to give you an example from my own experience with one of the top-notch and well-known casino operators in the industry - 32Red. Almost from the start of my investigation of this casino group (32Red, Nedplay, Dash and Golden Lounge), I was impressed with the fact, that despite the presence of problematic situations, the players themselves, involved in these situations, shared more than good reviews, concerning the received assistance from representatives of the question group and confirmed of getting speedy and fair resolution of their problems! Only a few months ago I was able to convince that from first hand. The situation was as follows - in the spring of 2012 I requested a self-exclusion from the 32Red casino, not because of suffering from any gambling problems, but because I always try to maintain the accounts, in casinos that do not play in, closed for security reasons! Anyway, in June, I came across an offer for Nedplay casino, which I saw here - in AskGamblers.com and decided to try it. Of course, first I contacted the live chat and wanted to know whether I can play at this casino, and to use its promotion, since I already had an account and I took the advantage of promotions in his older sister casino - 32Red. I was given a green light, registered, got a bonus, played a lot and eventually managed to win several hundred dollars. I initiated a withdrawal and began to wait for my money with a silly smile on my face, since this was the first significant winning from months! But soon, just a few hours later, my hopes for quick and easy withdrawing evaporated. I was informed, that due to the requested self-exclusion from 32Red casino, I am not allowed to play in any of the casinos in this group, my account in Nedplay was closed, my winnings were voided and the initial deposit was refunded back to my Skrill! Immediately got in touch with their support and asked to speak with one of the managers, but all I managed to get was some polite excuses for their misunderstanding, and outright refusal to receive my winnings. Well, being not one of those who give up easily, my attempts to get what is mine continued, including through the use of a mediator from a large casino portal. Very soon one of the managers of the 32Red casino group contacted me, I managed to prove that nowhere in the self-exclusion form is mentioned that the exclusion of 32Red casino means an exclusion of all casinos in the group, he agreed with me, my account was reopened, my profit was paid, received a bunch of apologies for mistakes, admitted by the casino and got assurances that the conditions will be supplemented to avoid such misunderstandings in the future! Here's what I call a true professionalism! This is the right way, a reputation is build and protected in this business with such a fierce competition! Certainly, 32Red casino is not the only company with good reputation, fortunately there are still dozens of them! The important thing is not to be lazy and rely on someone else to do your work, explore everything, trust only the proven reliability of sources of information and always seek the best for your money! Believe me, this investment of time and analysis will reward you many times!
II. Terms and conditions of the withdrawal.
The withdrawal terms and conditions are not least important, compared to the general casino rules and conditions, since they are often an integral part of them, but most frequently are described separately, which actually is not done by accident, but with a purpose! And it is that, both the casino and the players are fully aware of what is most important for both parties and on what aspect should be paid more seriously attention! Even a glimpse of these rules could reveal a lot about what to expect from the casino, regarding its attitude to your money! If these rules and conditions are obscure and hard to find across the casino website, if they are described by only a few sentences, if they are full of restrictions on players and too liberal to the terms and obligations of the casino bank, I’m afraid than, that you should not assign particularly high hopes for such gambling operator! On the other hand, if everything related to withdrawal, such as time limits, required documentation and methods is clear, precise and fully defined, if the casino is committed unequivocally to specific time frames, if all this information is easily accessible and placed prominently enough in the site, well, that already speaks volume that you are dealing with a reliable operator, which should give you calmness and what is most importantly - the confidence that your money is safe and that you will not be deceived! It is easy to find all this, as mentioned above and it shouldn’t hinder you at all. So far, so good, but the more complicated and delicate problem is how to understand if all these terms are actually reasonable and affordable enough from your point of view, and where exactly you can expect the occurrence of possible misunderstandings and unpleasant surprises to come from! So let's get started!
Bonuses You'll be surprised just how many of the problems, associated with casino withdrawals are connected in one way or another with the usage of some type of bonuses! I do not have exact statistics, but certainly at least half of these cases are due to their misunderstanding or misuse. It is therefore essential that you are fully aware of the technology of supplying, obtaining and enforcing the terms of any bonus or promotion you accepted! Because in general, a withdrawal of funds is a result of your game-play in the casino, and it often incorporates the use of various promotions and bonuses in it, right? Well, guess what happen with your withdrawal, if you didn’t fulfilled even the slightest of all the promotional terms and conditions? Do you think the casino will pay you? Of course not! I strongly recommend to those of you, having gaps in their knowledge about the bonuses to read very carefully Rule № 5 of this guide. Even the slightest ambiguity on this issue can bring you trouble, so don’t try to save time and effort. Only once you are a 101% familiar with the matter, you may hope for a smooth withdrawing, if any bonus is involved! Always check whether you have fulfilled all the wagering requirements of the promotions and bonuses, you have used before pressing the “Withdraw” button, otherwise you risk to say goodbye to your profits forever! Be careful if you adhere to the limitations associated with the type of authorized games and the maximum bet allowed - the violation of any of these rules actually will negate any cash-out, because such will surely be denied! And it will be denied with good reason - ignorance or misunderstanding cannot be a reason for anyone, not to mention the casino, not to honor its own rules! I know that sounds pretty serious, but when we talk about money - sometimes thousands, even tens of thousands, no one can afford to be simply flippant! At least this is my philosophy!
Pending periods
Unfortunately, these so-called "pending periods" are still an integral part of the process of withdrawing money from casinos. In general, this is a period of time, during which your money will stay frozen quietly somewhere in the depths of the casino server and none of the casino representatives will do anything with them. Unlike them, however, players are given the opportunity for doing the so-called "withdrawal reversal", through which you could get back in balance, any or all funds withdrawn before. This option is available until the pending period is running. Well, you are people, smart enough and I think it is completely unnecessary to go into details on this subject, but the fact, this is probably the only aspect, regarding the process of a withdrawal, that has not been changed much over the last 4-5 years is enough eloquent. It seems, it's all a matter of understanding the psychology of the ordinary gambler and actually the online casinos know that very well!
Anyway, since we cannot change much about these pending periods, let me share at least what are the good and bad practices, regarding them. Of course, the best possible practice is the complete absence of any pending period! It seems to me, this is the most equitable in terms of players or at least provided that I've never had the opportunity to use a "pending deposit"?! If anyone among you has used such, please, I would like him to call me immediately and promise he would become a sensation! Another example of a good practice, regarding the pending periods is the ability for players to ask the casino support for a so-called "flushing a withdrawal", which basically means that your withdrawal will no longer be available for reversing. Most of the top casinos in the industry already offer this opportunity to its players, not to mention they’re already paying so quickly that there is no pending periods at all, let alone time to "flush"! On the other hand a great example of a bad casino practice in this respect is a pending period over 48 hours. In my opinion, even 48 hours are pretty much, but all over them is just a pure mockery with the patience and good manner of the player! So, take your notes!
Minimum and maximum withdrawal limits
This is another example of a sensitive issue, for which is surprisingly little talk about, bearing in mind the importance this matter! Probably many of you have not even noticed the existence of these limits, but trust me if you had the misfortune to choose the wrong casino and in the same time have the most appropriate luck to win much, very soon you will find out what I am talking about! Anyway, the normal minimum limits for a withdrawal are within 10 to 30 credits, while the maximum limits are in the range of 3000 – 10000 credits per transaction. There are also weekly and monthly limits, but my personal feeling and understanding is that everything under the 5000-10000 credits for weekly and at least 20000-30000 for monthly limit is extremely unfair to the players! I tried however to familiarize you with concrete examples of conditions that do not have anything in common with the reasonable balance between time and money, not to mention that work directly against the player’s interests!
„…A player is permitted to withdraw a maximum of $2500 USD of their winnings per month…” „…The minimum withdrawal amount at the casino is $100…” „…A maximum of $2000 (Two Thousand US Dollars) will be sent per week, all balances will be sent in increments of $2000 the following week(s)…” „…The minimum withdrawal via Wire Transfer is $900…”
If you ever encounter similar or even close to these conditions, I will afford myself to give you only one advice – run from such a casino and never come back, because the troubles will not late!
Fees To be completely honest and frank, I think that burdening players with any kind and type of fees is quite unfair to some extent! In one way or another, our banks do collect tribute from each transaction, electronic wallets too, but when I have to pay a fee for the casino seems a bit much. Anyway, thoughts of an ordinary gambler do not matter from what I’ve seen so far! So, you, dear players, must be aware that the probability of coming across a casino, asking you for a fee, although in lower amounts, when withdrawing funds is not wise to be ignored! An example of a good casino practice in respect of fees for withdrawal is the complete absence of such, but if you impose such, it should be certainly not exceeding the amount of the symbolic 2-3 credit for cashing out to a credit / debit card and 20 - 50 credits for payment by check. And it is mandatory, those fees to be announced on the website of the casino and within its general terms and conditions. However, if you encounter similar conditions as those I have enumerated below, be sure you are well prepared for doing a short sprint, cause you should run away fast again!
„…ACH transfers less than $500 are subject to a $10 fee …” „…There is a flat fee of $35 dollars per wire…” „…Players maintain sole responsibility for any and all processing fees on withdrawals…”
But the worst I’ve seen so far was back in 2009, when GoCasino was still alive. I was charged for а $1700 bank wire transfer exactly $87.50!!! No comment!
Withdrawals timeframe The theme of the time, necessary for each casino to complete the process of cashing out, and with which it is formally bound by its own terms and conditions is extremely beneficial for doing some reflection, as well as a space for violent verbal debates and at least a ten thousand page soap opera script, that every major gambling forum could supply without any problems! So much has been spoken on this issue and unfortunately so little is done to protect the interests of us – the regular players! I would like to illustrate this last sentence with a small verbal game of questions and answers, if you allow me!
Q: What would happen to a player who violates even the smallest casino condition, even unintentionally, and asked to withdraw his/her profit? A: The withdrawal will be denied, the player will be penalized! Q: Are there any exceptions to this rule? A: No, none! Even if one million players violated the rules all of them, down to the last one of those 1 million players will be punished strictly! Q: What would happen to a casino if it does not pay, what it owes to the players, within the stated timeframes by the same casino and thus violates its own rules and conditions? A: Absolutely nothing! On top of that, in the last year or so it is becoming more and more fashionable this kind of joke: "You may experience some delays in payment, but eventually you'll be paid!" Q: Are there any exceptions to this rule? A: No, none! Even if one million casino violated this rule, exactly 0, zero, nada from them will be punished!
No further comment from me on that! I leave you alone to make your own conclusions. However, it is important for all of you to know the good and bad standards, regarding this matter, of course. A great example of some rapid and accordingly, favorable terms for the player, is this particular withdrawals timeframe table:
And here follow some appalling examples of how shocking can be the difference between the quality of service, offered by the casinos.
„…First time withdrawals and changes to payment instructions are subject to clearance by our Security Department. This can take between 5-10 business days….” „…The casino’s finance department may take up to 10 business days to approve player withdrawals …” „…All withdrawals that meet the cash-out requirements will be approved within 10-15 business days of the date the withdrawal was requested …” „…withdrawal to your credit card will be processed after 2 days. Please note that your funds can take up to 10 business days to reach your Bank account. Should you be using a MasterCard, it is possible that you will receive your withdrawal after 20 business days …”
Verification process The process of proving and confirming your identity in front of the casino security department is undoubtedly of great importance for both sides. Unfortunately, many of the players, especially those with less experience, quite often afford themselves to underestimate this matter and consequently have enormous difficulties! It is important to know that in general the player can not withdraw funds before the confirmation of his identity. Only a very few casinos will allow any payment, before your documents proving age, name and address, are checked carefully for matching the information submitted by you during the registration in 100%! But even if you find such casinos, when the amount you wish to withdraw, exceeds $500-1000, this procedure is started immediately! So, now way to run from that process – no verification, no withdrawals! I recommend you treating this matter very seriously, even starting it on your own, without waiting for the casino, because the sooner you go through the verification, the sooner you can cash out, and thus you would avoid unnecessary delays at a later stage. Keep in mind that except the top casinos, sometimes this procedure may take days, even weeks, not to mention if the amount, you wish to withdraw is greater! In addition, the tactics with multiple requirement, consideration and rejection of the documents, although everything with them is ok, is often used by less scrupulous casinos to delay your payment! So, what you should do in order to avoid problems with the verification process:
If you ever have even the slightest doubt that you will not pass this test, do not even think to register and play in any casino! All your personal information, like names, addresses, age, credit / debit cards, etc., must and will be thoroughly checked for accuracy and compliance of 100% - not 99%, not even 99.99% but 100% . Even one single wrong letter, no matter intentionally or unintentionally, and you can say goodbye to your money! This rule has no exception!
Begin the process of verification immediately after registration, because it will save you valuable time, when withdrawing, especially for the first time, and will also deny the casino (especially if you come to the wrong one) the opportunity of fooling you, using one of its favorite methods to continue delaying your payments!
All the documents, you will be required to send to the casino security department must be clear and readable. Because, if you find it difficult to read and understand that documents, imagine what could be for a regular casino employee, who is supposed to examine hundreds of documents a day! So what this person will do is probably to return them and instead of spending a few minutes and make better copies, you will lose a day or two to post new and to wait again your turn!
If you are using any of the existing e-wallets for both depositing and withdrawing from a casino, do not send any information, regarding your credit or debit cards, even if you are strongly requested to do so. You do not owe any information about something that you do not use! Moreover, this is one of the favorite method, the rogue casinos are using, to collect this kind of sensitive information, which then only God knows in whose hands can end up!
Some casinos offer their customers an embedded website interface through which to attach the necessary documents for verification. Without any doubt, this is a great solution, but check if the Internet address of the web interface in question begins with “https” - this is a reliable guarantee for the security of your data when transferring, which usually the regular “http” does not supply!
Always look for how your personal information is kept and what measures the casino has taken to guard them from unauthorized access!
III. The “God clauses”
The reason I decided to pay a particular attention to this delicate matter in this context is that in the last 2-3 years more and more online casinos are allowing themselves to use these so-called "God clauses", especially when it comes to delayed, canceled or confiscated payments! So, what actually I am talking about? These “God clauses” are inserted in the terms and conditions of the majority of the online casinos and basically allow them to do whatever, whenever and however they want to! Here are some examples of such absolutely illegal nonsense!
„…The casino’s verdict vis – à – vis any wager or winnings dispute shall be conclusive and binding.…” “…In the event of any dispute, all decisions made by the casino will be final.…” “…In the case of a dispute, where the casino has reviewed the evidence and made a decision, the decisions of the casino are final…” and so on, and so on!
First I would like to assure you that no matter how much weight the casino is attaching to those pompous verbal misunderstandings, actually they do not mean anything in terms of the law! Neither you, nor the casino has the right to be both a party and a judge in the case of a conflict between you! So, very sorry but the final decisions of the casino are not final at all! Actually, they are often just the beginning of a long battle, in which the player is supposed to prove he is right. Those, who have the right to judge, who is right and who is not in a conflict and whose decisions are binding on both parties, are only the organizations relevant for giving a casino a license and/or are involved in its regulation! Second, in terms of the law, these terms and conditions are almost on the verge of the law, not to say something else, because it is obvious they put one of the sides in a very dominant role! Not to mention that if indeed the last word of the casino was final, it would not exist so many organizations and gambling portals, engaged in mediation in conflict resolution between players and casinos!
Thirdly, I find it very degrading to the players, putting such clauses in any circumstances! However, the relationships between a casino and its customers are supposed to be just a simple example of business relationships, not a medieval serfdom! And I think it is time this mockery with the players to be stopped! And since this “God” matter is extremely unpleasant for me, I am finishing it right now, just will use the case to remind you, that more on how to resolve conflicts with a casino, you can read HERE!
Well, I think that this is all I wanted to share! I hope that once you have the information here, if you will able to reduce the conflict situations in respect of payment if not entirely, at least to the absolute minimum! However, the ingenuity of the casinos and the players sometimes, when it comes to mixing of yet another mess of money, time and many nerves, is truly remarkable!
Be brave but never unreasonable and remember that there is no room for mistakes in this business! Wish you luck, dear friends!
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