kelapa

Sorry, I was just goofing around there.

I'll check in again to see if Evo's CEO's are being loaded into a police van yet.

"At times" is good enough for me.
Certainly beats getting completely destroyed every single spin on some rigged wheel...

Kelapa, with a large amount of evidence you should start a revolution against evolution

Oh god no... I hate gambling when there's no element of skill or control. 
Methinks I'll stick to the occasional football/tennis bet!

Aaaah...that's good mate. Maybe you can start playing on slot games instead, if you do play them. At least you won't find those Wild symbols jumping about from one spot to another! Hahaha. 

You tried but I am also glad to hear you've given up playing to gather evidence because I think you are fighting a losing battle here, you and many others that have tried and failed. I guess we'll just have to see what the future holds, the truth always comes out in the end, right?
 
Thank you for sharing everything you've gathered it's been really interesting to read and I hope this isn't going to be the last we've heard off you now?

I don't think they will admit any wrong-doing, no matter what evidence I supply. Truth is they can always hide behind the fact that there is a 1 in several trillion chance that the ball really did just happen to land on the only losing number twenty times in a row.
"In a universe of infinite possibilities" etc.
 
So unless someone at one of these agencies genuinely takes this seriously, then there's absolutely nothing more I can do.
I stopped playing for profit many months ago. Since last month, I've also stopped playing to gather evidence. Every single spin at their table proves me 100% right. I don't need to waste even more time and money, and I've got a whole bunch of recordings that back me up.
 
I'll wait it out for now. At least you now get a lot of reports of fraud when you google for "evolution roulette". Not just mine; other people are becoming more vocal too. 

Oh yes. I quit playing for profit some months ago.
And since last month I've also quit playing for the sake of recording evidence against Evolution. I think I've gathered enough weird videos... 

Well, Kelapa mate, I think it is high time that you stop wasting your good earned money on that roulette thing! 
 
Personally, I am in the opinion that no gambling authority will ever entertain such complaints from players. I have my reasons for this, but I have also mentioned about them earlier on somewhere else, if not in here, but never mind.
 
Basically, just to recap, for all those who are still wondering what I mean...casino games and gaming equipment are no 'simple' basic tools! They are all highly sophisticated modern electronic devices with modern state-of-the-art electronic wizardry, even though they still look the same as the equipment from decades ago! 

So far, the agencies I've contacted are all denying they have any responsibility for Evolution's results.
That's a rather worrying answer.
 
Still waiting for replies from two other agencies, so let's see if one of those want to pick up the hot potato...
I'm not particularly optimistic, but I'll wait and see.
 
Meanwhile, Evolution have updated their software (new interface, new graphics).
They have also resorted to an old tactic: simply reject all winning bids. If you see the message BET REJECTED appear, rest assured that the ball will land on what would have been a winning number. Other bets that actually get accepted: you will lose each and every one of them.
 
I don't really play with them anymore (for obvious reasons), but the twelve spins I played resulted in this:
 
1: BET ACCEPTED: lost
2: BET ACCEPTED: lost
3: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
4: BET ACCEPTED: lost
5: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
6: BET REJECTED: winning number
7: BET REJECTED: winning number
8: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
9: BET REJECTED: winning number
10: BET REJECTED: winning number
11: BET ACCEPTED: lost (ball got bumped out of the winning number and into the nearest losing spot)
12: BET REJECTED: winning number
 
In itself, a perfectly plausible streak of very bad luck.
In the context of the previously mentioned occurrences, extremely worrisome.
 
One more thing: I have noticed more and more other people reporting this exact kind of trouble with Evolution.
Players are actively ditching them and seeking to play elsewhere. If this keeps on, Evolution should start feeling the consequences soon enough.

Absolutely! And wouldn't this world be a boring place if we all believed the same thing. For starters we wouldn't have this interesting topic! (we also wouldn't have it if I kept it locked but that's another story  )
 
Nah on a more serious note though, even though I don't believe Evolution rig their games or have these magnetic fields I've always said I don't know enough about the game to pass any real judgement and I still find it interesting to read other peoples views about it too. And like you said the truth does always come out in the end one way or another. 

But of course, everyone is free with their opinions and thoughts. Some may see me as a 'weirdo', a 'whacko', a 'crazy nut', or whatever...but it is okay with me! My beliefs and my theories are mine, not yours. Believe it...or not! Hahaha. 

And that, Kelapa my friend, shows how low-level Artificial Intelligence is controlling online games nowadays! 
 
It is NOT rigging...it is simply to make the algorithms damn smarter...but this is still very crude...so we can see and detect those weird movements. Give another year or two, or probably in less time, and all those weird avoiding movements of that metal ball would be so smooth no one would be able to detect them. Just wait and see. 

Meanwhile, here 's two successive examples of Evolution's invisible forcefield.   [video=youtube;A_nb76GGa7s]   Please pay close attention to which numbers are chipped. I always play with neighbouring numbers, making sure that large connected patches of the wheel are covered.   SPIN 1: The ball is about to land right in my winning zone, starting with 3. But alas, the ball is bounced back by... uhm.. an invisible wall?   SPIN 2: Optimistic as I am, I try for that same winning area again. This time I decide to cover a few more numbers. Unfortunately, the invisible wall is still right there. And it throws back the ball a little further. Just enough to jump OVER the additional numbers I covered and to make sure that I lose again.   This is not a fluke. This happens up to twenty times in a row.   Also note the chat. Lots of people calling them scammers and saying the wheel is rigged. Nobody wins anything.  
And if the invisible shield won't do the job, then Evolution's magic jumping ball will.   [video=youtube;o-zKcO6I5Ls]   Note how I basically predict every spin correctly, but the ball jumps away from the big wins "all by itself".   SPIN 1: Lands on 18, which means profit for me. The ball decides to go for a walk, past 22, 9, 31, 14, 20 and 1... until it finds 33 (loss).   SPIN 2: For the next spin, I've estimated that the ball should drop somewhere around the number 9. The ball indeed lands exactly there. Then it freaks out completely and scrabbles its way back past a bunch of other winning numbers... until it reaches the 3 (loss).   SPIN 3: The ball again threatens to land on the number 9, which again would mean profit for me. It actually edges into its neighbour 31 at the last moment, but I guess whoever/whatever controls these jumps wanted to play it safe, so... From a standing still position, the ball suddenly leaps five spots over to number 33 (loss). Have a look at this one. It's ridiculous.    SPIN 4: Again, I bet on the same area. The ball first lands on 12 (profit), then 7 (profit), then 18 (profit), then has to jump over a few BIG PROFIT numbers before it finally reaches the safety of number 16 (total loss).   SPIN 5: Ball misses all the big wins, but seems to at least land on number 24 (tiny, tiny profit)... NOPE. The ball takes another crazy leap and lands on 27 (total loss).    This was all recorded within the space of a few minutes. It's typical Evolution behaviour. Again, note the angry people in the chat ("this casino is rigged asf", "scamming people", "rigged", "scammer").   If you're too bored to watch the whole video, at least have a look at 1:42

Hello there @kelapa,
 
Have just reviewed your posts and videos and have a simple yet reasonable suggestion for you. 
 
You can find here a list of all regulatory bodies and official authorities which gave Evolution Gaming accreditation and certifications.
 
https://www.evolutiongaming.com/who-we-are/compliance-markets
 
Gather all your proofs and data, pick one or more or all the authorities listed on that page and let them know your findings and suspicions. Let's see what their answer would be and if any of these would even consider your information as sufficient enough to initiate some sort of investigation. 
 
The topic will remain opened, so feel free to keep us updated.  

Don't even know how it is because I merged it into the other topic! Thanks for spotting it!

These are visual proofs of how electromagnetic fields can regulate and control that metallic ball! 
 
Ask all casinos to use a ceramic or plastic roulette ball instead...and they'd tell you "go to hheelllll" ! 

This topic has now been merged with the previous topic.

I'll reply properly tomorrow... but I just had to drop this one on you:
 
I tried to recreate the insane triple 5 scam that occurred two weeks ago.
Unfortunately, my recording proggie is misbehaving, so I didn't get this on video. But look here.
 

 
As you can see, I've got lotssss of numbers covered. Pay special attention to the number 24, and its neighbour 16. (The oval wheel on the right shows the positions of the numbers.)
So I played these exact numbers three times in a row. Each time, the ball made a weird curve to steer away from the winning areas... and landed on 16 three times in a row.
 
How about that, eh?

Well, honestly speaking...this thread should remain open...for other roulette players to read and take note.
 
I do not see the comments by Kelapa as degrading or unreasonable...and he is trying his best to let other unknowing players be aware of how Evolution roulette plays. I too have seen other videos showing how that metallic roulette ball can be remotely controlled without being noticed...and the way modern technology is today, this is not surprising at all!
 
Not only that, with Artificial Intelligence coming into play in roulette's algorithms, avoiding massive huge losses on the casino's side becomes a lot easier!
 
I'm not very sure of this...but if I'm not mistaken, I have read somewhere that all casino's equipment are manufactured by 'unlisted' manufacturers/suppliers...all for very obvious reasons! Every card, chip, table and roulette machines have some sort of electronic/magnetic chips in them! That huge roulette betting table, for example, is like a huge iPad...it acts as a touchscreen monitor...reading all the chips and positions for each coming spin on the wheel...for the 'hidden' program to read, control and regulate the outcome of each and every spin!
 
That nice-looking roulette wheel, another example, is actually a sophisticated piece of sh*tty machinery with all sorts of wired connections to each and every segment in the wheel. Notice how each segment separator is metal?!!! Why is that?!!! That's for magnetic manipulations of the metallic ball by electronic control by the regulating program!!!
 
If the manufacturers of these equipment ever made a declaration of how casino's equipment are actually produced...they'd probably 'disappear' the very next day!
 
Like I said before, casino is BUSINESS first...money matters is always FIRST....and all Gaming Authorities know this! If no modern electronic wizardry is ever involved in casino's business, can they ever hope to make money? 

First of all - I'm the first person to admit when I've been wrong and maybe I was a little harsh on you in the previous topic so for that cocopop apologises   . It'll remain locked because it wasn't going anywhere however...I get you.
 
I can see you are coming from a good place. You genuinely believe the games are "rigged" and not just a sore loser. You see we get lots of those players here, when they lose they'll claim the game is rigged just out of spite. But I get you genuinely believe this as I've just mentioned. 
 
And yes you're right as to the reasons I asked my questions. The ball may have "jumped" as you say to your losing numbers but your losing numbers could be other players winning numbers which makes it sound like the software is just making it rigged for you which is impossible. IMHO.
 
You are not the first person to come here and complain about Evolution Gaming but I'm sorry I still don't see the videos you have posted as evidence. Evolution Gaming are huge if they were rigged don't you think they would have been caught out by now?
 
I can't honestly say whether it is or it isn't I certainly don't have enough expertise in the roulette field to pass such a judgement but all I can say is you are fighting a losing battle. You won't get anywhere without solid evidence and even then you will have a long battle ahead of you likely to cost you too!
 
I am happy to keep this thread open and to be honest I don't really know what else I can say on the matter. 
 
I'm sure Valdes will jump in with his view on the matter when he returns from holidays as this is more of his area of expertise. If you're going to keep trying then I wish you luck mate. 

Both good questions, with good answers (I hope).
 
As far as I can see, the only way to gather any evidence is by playing, and thereby provoking all these weird results. More people should do it (if they can spare it ). I know plenty of others have similar experiences with Evolution, but they just go play elsewhere, leaving Evolution to continue doing this to other people. I want to actually do something to stop it!
 
Yes, there are often other people betting at these tables. Some of those are bots, btw. Many people have noticed that the big winners never say a single word, not even when talked to, which has led to suspicions that these are fake accounts used as bait. I have my doubts about this, but that's the rumour floating around the chat. 
 
The reason you ask, I presume, is: Different players place different bets. Can't rip everyone off all at once!
That's what kept me skeptical for a long time.
 
One theory is that the roulette software takes all the different bets into account and then calculates the preferred outcome for minimum RTP. Thing is, that requires a certain amount of players to look credible. If it's late at night and there's only two or three people playing, then these poor people will lose many more spins than if there were more people covering more numbers. (Unless they coordinate their bets, so that they don't leave a number uncovered between them.  )
I have definitely noticed that winning at night is virtually impossible. The results are always far worse than during daytime. So that might support this theory (or one like it).
 
Also, if you keep an eye on the chat, you'll notice nobody ever cheers or anything. It's a non-stop stream of "cant win anything", "wtf lost 8 in a row", "winning is impossible here", etc. At least, so it has been since April of this year. Something seems to have happened then. A recalibration of sorts. Everyone noticed right away that the results were coming out very differently, and everyone started losing en masse. 
 
Before that moment, I - and other people - would frequently scrape together some very decent wins.
Whatever they did with the table around that time, it's been nothing but misery since.

Oh yeah, and forget about the traditional outside bets.
 
If you put your money on red, it will fall on black, and vice versa. Thirty times in a row if it has to (not hyperbole; this has literally happened).
Same for 1-18 and 19-36.
 
I've tried 13-36 ten times in a row, followed by another two bets on 7-36 (!).
Nothing.
The odds of that are 1 in several million. 

For your viewing pleasure, here's what happened in the past two minutes:

Note how the ball always lands right next to the winning areas, usually just one spot off. Watch in slow-motion if you must.
 
Spin 1: The ball lands around the 0. "Can't have that", says Evolution. So the ball suddenly starts moving again, accelerates and doesn't stop until it reaches 23, on the opposite end of the wheel.
 
Spin 2: Ball is about to land on 16... then swings back in the opposite direction before magically slotting into one of only TWO losing numbers on that entire side of the wheel (31 and 9).
 
Spin 3: Ball lands on 26. "No way", says Evolution and executes a perfect backflip away from all the winning numbers. I was lucky to have at least half-chipped 2.
 
Spin 4: Ball touches down around 9, but it has too much momentum to stop dead this time. So it rolls and rolls until the nearest loser is found, exactly where the chipped area ends, as usual.
 
 
And, as I said, it gets far more extreme than that. I'll capture more of these moments next time I feel like wasting my money.