DaveKumar
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Unfortunately I guess this is the end of the road unless the Insolvency Agency act pretty quickly. I was promised a reply within 3 weeks and we are pretty much there and no word yet. They are about the only thing that can block the liquidation now. That said I called Menzies LLP this morning to make sure I was listed as a creditor and was advised to also send into them any evidence of fraudulent activity so at least the relevant parties could be punished, but she did mention there was no money..
Anyone with any energy left could try the BBC - Rogue Traders / Watchdog may well try and chase the CEO down and at least attempt a character assassination on TV, but doubt we'll see a penny now though.
Cheers
Ryan
That is, unless they can be found to have committed fraud with their accounts. Kasim Garipoglu (through his sharholding company, Eagle Internet Investments Ltd) could then be held accountable and he has millions of pounds. Also, if Alex Leese has committed fraud then I imagine he could be held personally accountable too and would then have some money to pay off creditors (although I doubt he has enough to cover it all).
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There was a headline article in The Times today by Andrew Ellson. " Crackdown on rip-off gambling compannies" £3.5bn lost as bookmakers cancel winning bets .
I thought that he just might be interested in our experiences with SLC and have sent him an email outlining the background to our problem to maybe he can give it some publicity. We dont seem to have had much luck so far. Presumably we all must be creditors of the "failing" companies but doubtless they won't have any monies for any payout.
Seems that we may only hope to save others in the future.
As Dogshead posted for me (thanks mate, the problem is solved now by using incognito on Chrome), I phoned the liquidators. You would all be unsecured creditors. You just have to phone them and ask for a form so you can make a claim.
If you have evidence which can help them pin these people with fraud then you might have a chance of getting your money still. They said they'd be looking into the company at depth and they are aware of concerns around cooking the books...
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All gone very quiet on here guys - anyone got anything from Companies House, ActionFraud or anywhere..?
Ryan
I got an email from Companies House directly saying SMART TV UK LIMITED's strike off has been suspended until the 2nd of December. They then wrote:
"If you wish to maintain the objection beyond this date, you would need
to apply again, in writing, enclosing further up to date documentary
evidence to show you are still actively pursuing the company. This
evidence should be received at least 2 weeks before the objection is due
to expire."
So people should all make sure they do this...
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Any update from dogs head?
Doesn't seem so, but I heard from Companies House saying they have suspended the company being struck off until December and that if more recent evidence is supplied before then, they will extend the suspension.
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Nothing from ActionFraud yet - think my claim went in first, 3 weeks ago - they guaranteed a response within 4 weeks so hopefully something in the next 7 days, will update here when / if it happens. After the failure of IBAS / UKGC / Companies House, am getting rather desperate..
Ryan
Companies House haven't failed - they've suspended the striking off. They just need the evidence to suspend it for a longer period.
Action Fraud may take a little longer considering all the different people contacting them. But, when I contacted them about a different issue in the past, they got back to me towards the end or slightly after that 4 week time period...
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Hi all,
I know its small compared to some but that obviously shouldn't be the point but I am owed a withdrawal from June of £200.
I saw on here about the complaints a while ago and contacted live chat to see what SLG had to say, they fobbed me off even after i accused them of being un-liquid (yh probably not a word but you get me) I did keep a log of this too, they were rude and abruptly ended more than one live chat.
I am now at the point of trying to get my money back like everyone else and have seen their new 'homepage'...
I am honestly skeptical about putting in my bank details to a company that cant even spell 'whitdraw' on the request form as I also don't want to get into further fraud with the company. I would like to know how best to proceed as obviously I would like as much of the money back as possible!!
Hi, I am also skeptical and everyone who has filled that in so far has received nothing back, not even an email. I suggest contacting Action Fraud here with your evidence. The more evidence they have, the better chance of achieving our goal. Good luck.
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Hi I'd just like to mention that these owe me £525 so I'm another in a massive list of owed people. I read that some 5 figure sums are owed to some people.
I hope somebody does buy the company & pay us all.
The value of the shares is £7.9 million (check Companies House). The shareholder seems to be involved in the fraud (according to some ex-employees). So, if the company is forced into liquidation, there will be enough money to pay people. Or, if they are taken to court and found guilty, the situation will be the same. I hope no one buys it and the relevant people are held responsible.
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Hi guys, I am owed £1754 by smartlive from a withdrawal I made 11.06.16 and never recieved - I am very worried I will never get to see my money. I really hope this can be solved and someone is made to pay all of us!
Go to the reviews section and send a message to the user who posts as Dogshead. He/she is collating a list of all people owed money and has already sent an intial list to Companies House to ensure Smart Live cannot be struck off. You should also contact Action Fraud with any evidence in case legal action needs to be taken.
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Another good idea of trying to find help with this terrible situation could be contacting UKGC themselves and asking for additional information what your next steps could be to protect your rights and interests. As an authority body which issued and granted the operating licence to the company behind Smart Live Gaming casino they are supposed to provide further assistance to any player who has suffered negative consequences due to their financial bankrupt and/or at least state some company info which could later be used for potential small court claims.
I believe several people have contacted them already and have not received much help so far...
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Suspect this is our guy:
Twitter: KasimGaripoglu
Facebook: kasim dot garipoglu dot 9
Instagram: kasimgaripoglu
Company: gk-group
(I can't post links due to account restrictions it seems)
Specialises in 'alternative finance'....
This is the guy who supposedly owns the sharehoding company, Eagle Internet Investments Ltd. Although we do not currently have enough evidence that this is the case.
The other significant person is the CEO from the time that the fraud was taking place. Someone I know spoke to a debt collector and they have access to information about companies the general public don't. This debt collector said that this CEO actually left half way through August, not in July. Also a couple of other directors left in the last two weeks. Apparently this debt collector wouldn't give any other information unless they are employed.
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Hi cocopop,
We were having an extended discussion on the review board previously.
I believe they may have been insolvent before they lost their licence. This is because they were unable to pay people for months (both players and staff) whilst ignoring enquiries, fobbing people off and encouring people to continue betting more. I have heard from ex-employees that they were still trading after most of the staff left due to non-payment. They also offered people to take advantage of new deals (from what I understand of what others have said) after they lost their licence. If so, then Smart Live have committed fraud. It is up to Action Fraud to determine whether the evidence is sufficient to prove this in a criminal court.
They are not trading now and have abandoned the property owing rent to the estate agent.
You can look through the reviews page for any further information.
All the best,
Dave
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Hi all,
As the administrators have said we should carry out dicussions here, I thought I would kick it off.
Thanks to Dogshead for leading on the request to Companies House. I have suggested to him that he overtly state that we believe Smart Live has been trading whilst insolvent. This seems quite probable given how long people have been owed money and the fact they kept making excuses or ignoring your communications. If this is found to be true, then even the directors can be held personally responsible to pay back debts and barred from being a director for 15 years. Otherwise, since it is a limited company, it is harder to hold anyone responsible but the company itself (even the shareholder's liability is limited). This is part of the fraud issue and since it has been overtly stated that they were trading without a licence, I believe it is worth stating this other part of the issue overtly too.
Action against Smart Live
in Best and Worst
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How is everyone? Any updates?
I discovered that The CEO, Alex Leese, is now a director at William Hill online! Take a look, it says this on his LinkedIn profile. I really don't think a bloke who played such a big part in the fraud at Smart Live should be allowed to stay in the gambling industry. On LinkedIn he is lying about where he was working over the Smart Live period. He probably lied to William Hill too.
If we can't get our money back and the police won't do anything about his fraud, then at least we can do our best to ensure he does not get away without any consequences! He's getting paid a large salary, in a position of power where he can take advantage of people again. Meanwhile, all the players from back at Smart Live are out at pocket, some by £10,000s. I sent William Hill an email through their online form just now to expose his history at Smart Live. I told them everything I know. Take some power back and do the same! If they get enough emails, they might just pay attention!