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I've left this stew for a while as no agency seemed to give a toss that we as Gamblers got totally scammed and ripped off. Not even the UKGC give a toss! Well As for Alex Leese now working as a consultant for William Hill say's everything you need to know about the online gaming industry!! It's all improperly regulated and all parties are milking it from online gamers.
William Hill would be aware of Alex Leese's previous involvment with Smartlive as this was well publicised and given the money involved due dilligence would have picked this up. A more realistic reason for his services would be to do exactly what he did for Smartlive. Render his services to cook the books.
Smartinsider thanks for your latest post. Once again a usefull peice of information. Seems you are desperate to open up alot more about the goings on behind the scenes but are too afraid of the backlash? Please feel free to drop me a PM.
I've decided that I can't let this drop fraud was definatley committed MENZES LLP suspected it along with others and I have documented proof too. Just need someone to really pull their accounts apart. Has anyone got there hands on these?
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Posted On behalf of Dave Kumar,
If anyone else has similar problems with posting, try Microsoft edge browser. seems to work fine.
Hey mate,
This thing still isn't letting me contribute to the group conversation for some stiupid reason. It signs me out whenever I visit the relevant page...
Anyway, I just wanted to let people know that I phoned the liquidator today and spoke to a lady called Caroline who is involved in the process. She said that they will investigate the practices of the company and that anyone with evidence should provide it to them. If they have committed fraud and this can be proven then they will be held responsible.
It may not get you your money, but perhaps if this Kasim bloke can be found guilty then it is still possible...
Can you post that for me please as it may encourage people to provide the information they have.
Thanks,
Dave
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This has just popped into my inbox from Companies house. Looks like they are going into liquidation!!!
SMART TV BROADCASTING LIMITEDNotices published in the Gazette 17 Oct 2016SMART TV BROADCASTING LIMITED (Company Number 05849825) Registered office: 233 High Holborn, 3rd Floor, London WC1V 7DN Principal trading address: 233 High Holborn, 3rd Floor, London WC1V 7DN Notice is hereby given, pursuant to Section 98 OF THE INSOLVENCY ACT 1986,that a meeting of the creditors of the above named Company will be held at Menzies LLP, Lynton House, 7-12 Tavistock Square, London, WC1H 9LT on 21 October 2016 at 11.30 am for the purposes mentioned in Sections 99, 100 and 101 of the said Act. The Resolutions to be taken at the meeting may include a Resolution specifying the terms on which the Joint Liquidators are to be remunerated. The meeting may also receive information about, or be called upon to approve, the costs of preparing the Statement of Affairs and convening the meeting. Simon Underwood and Mark Newton of Menzies LLP, Lynton House, 7-12 Tavistock Square, London, WC1H 9LT, are qualified to act as insolvency practitioners in relation to the above and will furnish creditors, free of charge, with such information concerning the Company’s affairs as is reasonably required. For further details contact: Mark Newton (IP No 9732), E-mail: [email protected], Tel: 020 7465 1956. Ibrahim Hlil Goncu, Director 12 October 2016 SPRINGING KIDS INTO LIFE (SKIL) CIC Trading Name: SKiL CIC (Company Number 08428772) Registered office: 176B High Street, Lewes, BN7 1YE Principal trading address: 176B High Street, Lewes, BN7 1YE Notice is hereby given, pursuant to Section 98 OF THE INSOLVENCY ACT 1986 ("THE ACT") a meeting of the creditors of the above-named Company will be held at Begbies Traynor (Central) LLP, 2/3 Pavilion Buildings, Brighton, East Sussex BN1 1EE on 14 November 2016 at 10.15 am. The purpose of the meeting, pursuant to Sections 99 to 101 of the Act is to consider the statement of affairs of the Company to be laid before the meeting, to appoint a liquidator and, if the creditors think fit, to appoint a liquidation committee. In order to be entitled to vote at the meeting, creditors must lodge their proxies, together with a statement of their claim at the offices of Begbies Traynor (Central) LLP, 2/3 Pavilion Buildings, Brighton, East Sussex BN1 1EE, not later 12.00 noon on 13 November 2016. Please note that the joint liquidators and their staff will not accept receipt of completed proxy forms by email. Submission of proxy forms by email will lead to the proxy being held invalid and the vote not cast. A list of names and addresses of the above Company’s Creditors may be inspected free of charge at Begbies Traynor (Central) LLP at the above address between the hours of 10.00 am and 4.00 pm on the two business days preceding the date of the Meeting stated above. Any person who requires further information may contact the Marc Norman of Begbies Traynor (Central) LLP by email at [email protected] or by telephone on 01273 322960. J Gardiner, Director 10 October 2016
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And this ties in with all that I have been stressing and pointing out guys. Smart TV UK limited and Smart Gaming Limited were just subsidery companies and Smart TV Broadcasting Limited are where all our money is at. They never initially applied for dissolution but now they are Liquidating as I pressumed. This we really need to put a stop to but I'm at a loss as to how?
Sorry it's been a long time since my last contact. I have been frozen out from the forum for some reason till now. My workload is extremely heavy so lost alot of ground on this and I do apologise. Great work from all involved to get things to where they are now. Shame but I honestly think we have all been screwed on this one!
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Correct me please if I'm wrong here but what I think I'm looking at as I see it as a statement of alloted shares totalling 6 million to the shareholder who is Kasim Garipolglu submitted in 2009 from Smart TV Broadcasting Limited https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05849825/filing-history?page=2
Check date 4th April 2011 and read PDF https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05849825/filing-history/MzAzNDk3NDUzMmFkaXF6a2N4/document?format=pdf&download=0 .
So am I right in assumimng he took 6 million out the company accounts then. Hence why now it is only showing up as tll date 5mil in Debt? Explains the defrauding of accounts and all this tallys in with timelines of withdrawal issues.
There is no other shareholder as Netpune Directors Limited and Netptune Corporate Services Limited sold old there shares in 2006. These are associated with what I believe to be a startup company Neptune Secretaries Limited.
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Hello all. I am owed £944 by this company through sports betting. Does the fact that I didn't make a withdrawal request until the website closed mean that I haven't been defrauded as such but just unlucky that the company, like many others, is going under and I should just accept it?
If not, where can I put on record the amount that I'm owed? There seems to be a few bodies that can be approached, who do you recommend I go to first?
many thanks
bob
The Company is not going under lol, Just take a look at their accounts. Especially This one :https://companycheck.co.uk/company/05849825/SMART-TV-BROADCASTING-LIMITED/companies-house-data
Smart TV Broadcasting Limited. The key to the financial security of the assiciated Smart Gaming Limited and Smart TV UK limited. Read all the reviews and complaints from 2012 onwards people were not having thier withdrawals honered. Point to note the Shareholder for all 3 companies is Mr Kasim Garipoglu who resigned FUNNY ENOUGH IN 2012 from directorship where up until 2012 they were raking it in then after his resignation in 2012 over a million approx dissapeared from the company as the basic key financial figures suggest. "Errmm", wonder where that money went? Then every year till 2015 over 1.5 mil fleeced out. Currently they have enough Liquidity and assets to hounour customers requested withdrawls from accounts. Yes net worth say's they are 5 mil in debt but this is not a concern and this is becuase with the two other associated companies are they key to this pressumably creating false invoicing to create a false debt. If this makes sense to you all. Problem is we need to invest to get access to all the account information to prove this and take action otherwise they will just get away with it!
Oh yeah and if you dig into any screen shots, emails from Smartlive casino you will see that basically all deposits and reciepts have been from the other two companies however the website (before they restricted our access) itself creates a confirmation of your deposit into Smart TV Broadcasting Limited. Even the webiste is owned by Smart TV Broadcasting Limited (so all your betting and gaming has been through them) and they are still active!!!
Enough said and I have this proof documented.
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I've been in contact with someone I know at one of the leading global anti corporate fraud outfits. Following are the major points of his response.
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Following up on your query about Smart TV.
We could certainly help pull some information together about the company and associated entities. I would think the most logical approach would be for the creditors to issue winding up proceedings against the company and engage an insolvency practitioner to investigate. They have very strong powers after all.
I have a couple of questions to clarify.
- Which entity has defrauded the victims?
- What is the quantum of the loss?
- What time period?
If the creditors need help to engage with a legal advisor in the UK to file any proceedings or claims, or bring in an insolvency practitioner (IP) we can make some introductions.
In terms of what our firm can do, we can assist in investigating and profiling the subjects, supporting the lawyers in preparing the litigation or supporting the IP with their investigation. We would charge a fee for our work, but in some cases like this, the costs of bringing the claim can be paid out of recoveries.
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As you can see, the key at this point is to understand how many victims where affected, establish as many names as possible and understand what are the aggregate damages caused by the alleged fraudsters.
We know that Dogshead was collating such information but perhaps we should think of ways to bring the victims together. We need to make this a collective action, otherwise bunch of individual and relatively disorganised attempts for recovery don't stand much chance.
I thought that may be to speed up the process and get a broader reach, we could set up a website where customers and employees would submit their contacts and amounts owed.
Something like smartlivescam.org, smartliveaction.net or similar.
What do you think? The bigger the amounts and the more victims, the stronger support and traction we can generate.
Another thought was about getting the press involved. This GK Group as a legitimate company should be vulnerable to bad press about a project affiliated with them and actually headed by one of their CEOs.
Thoughts?
Alex,
I'm tottally with you on this one. Currently my personal work commitments have been heavy. Too Heavy to even chase up and keep on top of this matter. Seems authorities don't want to know unless you do all the work and hand it on a plate to them.
Website is a great start and I have loads of data from victims already however a way of others to input such details and contact information via the website would definatly help our cause. I believe collectively we have enough people owed monies to get the external private investigation company involved. The information collated via the website including contact details of victims and any supporting evidence of this uploaded to the database would make then very little work for the outsite agency bringing the cost of the investigation down.
We should get this up and running ASAP. We would like the thoughts of you guys?
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NO HELP FROM ACTION FRAUD AT ALL..!
I gave them names, company details, screenshots of my £1684 withdrawal, emails, even the CEO's address. Gutted!
All Action Fraud reports are passed to the National Fraud Intelligence Bureau and we review every crime to identify investigative leads and opportunities to disrupt criminal activity. We have reviewed your report and I regret to inform you that we have not identified any leads that would result in a successful criminal investigation therefore your report has not been sent to a local police force or other enforcement organisation to commence an investigation at this time.
Please be assured that we have not closed your report and it will continue to be reviewed against new information received from Action Fraud reports and other intelligence sources. If it is linked to an investigative opportunity in the future we will contact you.
If you would like information on what support is available to you, please visit the Victims’ Information Service website www.victimsinformationservice.org.uk. If you would like information on how to protect yourself from fraud please visit www.actionfraud.police.uk/support_for_you or you can call them on 0300 123 2040.
I would recommend that you sign up to www.actionfraudalert.co.uk so you can receive warning messages about new and emerging scams and practical prevention advice. This is a free service and allows you to receive tips, guidance and helpful advice to prevent fraud against you.
If you have any queries regarding this letter please visit www.actionfraud.police.uk/FAQ where you will find answers to the most common questions. You may also submit questions which you feel are not addressed by the FAQ using our online form.
Thank you for taking the time to report to Action Fraud. Every report we receive contributes to building an accurate picture of the fraud threat. It is critical for policing to identify and disrupt suspected criminals now and in the future and we will strive to provide practical prevention advice to protect the community and businesses.
Hi Mate,
Have you got a direct contact at Action Fraud as I'm still to hear back. I have a report made up proving acts of fraud by this company especially taking deposits from customers after they had their gambling license revoked. This should be enough to prompt a further investigation.
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Hi Guy's just being catching up on the thread.
Sorry I've been so quiet. Had other work commitments leaving little time to follow this matter up. I see Supernuk you have had confirmation that Smart TV UK Limited have had a further extension on the suspension of their active proposal of a voluntary strike off!
Tho realistically the companies we should be concerned about and I stressed this in the review section having sent supporting evidence to companies house are Smart Gaming Limited and Smart TV Broadcasting Limited. We need to prevent these companies from voluntarily striking off the register if they attempt in the near future. Latest account show that Smart TV Broadcasting Limited hold the most value. After further investigation each financial year till date the have been paying off an assumed debt on average of 1 mill. This we can assume is bollox and all this money is being laundered out the business by falsifying accounts with the two associated companies Smart TV UK Limted and Smart Gaming Limited whose accounts clearly suggest they financially cannot support online gaming services. Probably what promted action from the UKGC.
It's quite normal when fraud is committed for this to be the case. Bogus companies generate false invoices to launder money to the sister company. Just hard to prove without little investment and a good accountant willing to work and spot this for you.
This could be an option we look into maybe to gather more supporting evidence. I have had no reply from companies house or action fraud so will chase this up in the coming days.
Finally to confirm what Dave Kumar mentioned in an earlier post. My view according to evidence I have gathered is fraud had been committed and all companies continued to promote and attian deposits from customers when they had no license to operate in UK. I fell victim to this and won £2300 from a bonus sold on Friday 5th of August. Evidence supplied to Comianies house.
Until I receive correspondence from Action Fraud I have no means of presenting the documentary evidence I have passed on to companies house, though given the extendend suspension then my evidence and other members evidence sent to them has got the message across.
So I urge us all to collectively keep plugging away. We will get a positive result I hope
Action against Smart Live
in Best and Worst
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Seems Mr Garipoglu has re-emerged on social media. After a brief profile I make these findings. Make of it what you will!
https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=285022
http://trading-gurus.com/smart-live-markets-renamed-gkfx/
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10631597
You need google translate for the next two articles:
http://www.fortuneturkey.com/hayyam-garioglunun-babasi-kasim-garipoglunun-cenazesi-topraga-verildi-14904 (Kasim Front Row Hands together)
http://haber.sol.org.tr/mansetler/garipoglu-ailesi-hakkinda-sir-olmayanlar-haberi-13242
The GK is short for Global Kapital Holdings